Boone Goon wrote:The CFL route could be part of a number of guys futures. I think the pre-season camps start soon north of the boarder. They've spent a good amount of time since the bowl game preparing for the NFL, it makes sense to me to give 'Oh Canada' a try before giving up on the dream.

ericsaid wrote:

ASUPATCH wrote:The biggest issue for Marcus is Jaylin Moore. Moore looked so good while Cox was out. I am sure scouts are seeing his success as it being a great system as opposed to his performance.

Cox, sans a holding call, had over 130 yards in one quarter against Miami while Moore didn't even get close. In my experience in watching them both, Cox has been the better back against better competition than Moore has been. Against Toledo, Cox consistently found holes and ripped off big gains while Moore failed to find those holes. I think that Cox has been successful in this particular system but the idea that an NFL team wouldn't take Cox because he is a system player is a farce, in my opinion.

NFL teams often times, and now more than before, take players that fit their system rather than the other way around. Teams like the 49er's who will now be running a zone stretch based offense, or the Patriots who consistently get their guys out in space will take a runner will good vision and cutting ability. What has hurt Cox, and he even mentioned this at his Pro Day, is a lack of burst. He has one gear and NFL teams see that as a detriment, no matter how good his vision is. I suspect he will get a call at some point as guys begin to become injured but as of this moment, it isn't a promising start.

ericsaid wrote:

ASUPATCH wrote:The biggest issue for Marcus is Jaylin Moore. Moore looked so good while Cox was out. I am sure scouts are seeing his success as it being a great system as opposed to his performance.

Cox, sans a holding call, had over 130 yards in one quarter against Miami while Moore didn't even get close. In my experience in watching them both, Cox has been the better back against better competition than Moore has been. Against Toledo, Cox consistently found holes and ripped off big gains while Moore failed to find those holes. I think that Cox has been successful in this particular system but the idea that an NFL team wouldn't take Cox because he is a system player is a farce, in my opinion.

NFL teams often times, and now more than before, take players that fit their system rather than the other way around. Teams like the 49er's who will now be running a zone stretch based offense, or the Patriots who consistently get their guys out in space will take a runner will good vision and cutting ability. What has hurt Cox, and he even mentioned this at his Pro Day, is a lack of burst. He has one gear and NFL teams see that as a detriment, no matter how good his vision is. I suspect he will get a call at some point as guys begin to become injured but as of this moment, it isn't a promising start.

hapapp wrote:

ericsaid wrote:

ASUPATCH wrote:The biggest issue for Marcus is Jaylin Moore. Moore looked so good while Cox was out. I am sure scouts are seeing his success as it being a great system as opposed to his performance.

Cox, sans a holding call, had over 130 yards in one quarter against Miami while Moore didn't even get close. In my experience in watching them both, Cox has been the better back against better competition than Moore has been. Against Toledo, Cox consistently found holes and ripped off big gains while Moore failed to find those holes. I think that Cox has been successful in this particular system but the idea that an NFL team wouldn't take Cox because he is a system player is a farce, in my opinion.

NFL teams often times, and now more than before, take players that fit their system rather than the other way around. Teams like the 49er's who will now be running a zone stretch based offense, or the Patriots who consistently get their guys out in space will take a runner will good vision and cutting ability. What has hurt Cox, and he even mentioned this at his Pro Day, is a lack of burst. He has one gear and NFL teams see that as a detriment, no matter how good his vision is. I suspect he will get a call at some point as guys begin to become injured but as of this moment, it isn't a promising start.

Moore rushed for over 100 yards in the Miami game. Keep in mind as well that Moore spent a good bit of the year without the benefit of Cox sharing the load. Cox always had Moore to share the load. That's not to say that Cox wasn't/isn't a great back...obviously to this point the all time leader on the ground. But, I think you short change Moore by suggesting he got his yards against lesser competition.

ASUPATCH wrote:

ericsaid wrote:

ASUPATCH wrote:The biggest issue for Marcus is Jaylin Moore. Moore looked so good while Cox was out. I am sure scouts are seeing his success as it being a great system as opposed to his performance.

Cox, sans a holding call, had over 130 yards in one quarter against Miami while Moore didn't even get close. In my experience in watching them both, Cox has been the better back against better competition than Moore has been. Against Toledo, Cox consistently found holes and ripped off big gains while Moore failed to find those holes. I think that Cox has been successful in this particular system but the idea that an NFL team wouldn't take Cox because he is a system player is a farce, in my opinion.

NFL teams often times, and now more than before, take players that fit their system rather than the other way around. Teams like the 49er's who will now be running a zone stretch based offense, or the Patriots who consistently get their guys out in space will take a runner will good vision and cutting ability. What has hurt Cox, and he even mentioned this at his Pro Day, is a lack of burst. He has one gear and NFL teams see that as a detriment, no matter how good his vision is. I suspect he will get a call at some point as guys begin to become injured but as of this moment, it isn't a promising start.

Over the past two years, they have almost identical stat lines.

ericsaid wrote:

hapapp wrote:

ericsaid wrote:

ASUPATCH wrote:The biggest issue for Marcus is Jaylin Moore. Moore looked so good while Cox was out. I am sure scouts are seeing his success as it being a great system as opposed to his performance.

Cox, sans a holding call, had over 130 yards in one quarter against Miami while Moore didn't even get close. In my experience in watching them both, Cox has been the better back against better competition than Moore has been. Against Toledo, Cox consistently found holes and ripped off big gains while Moore failed to find those holes. I think that Cox has been successful in this particular system but the idea that an NFL team wouldn't take Cox because he is a system player is a farce, in my opinion.

NFL teams often times, and now more than before, take players that fit their system rather than the other way around. Teams like the 49er's who will now be running a zone stretch based offense, or the Patriots who consistently get their guys out in space will take a runner will good vision and cutting ability. What has hurt Cox, and he even mentioned this at his Pro Day, is a lack of burst. He has one gear and NFL teams see that as a detriment, no matter how good his vision is. I suspect he will get a call at some point as guys begin to become injured but as of this moment, it isn't a promising start.

Moore rushed for over 100 yards in the Miami game. Keep in mind as well that Moore spent a good bit of the year without the benefit of Cox sharing the load. Cox always had Moore to share the load. That's not to say that Cox wasn't/isn't a great back...obviously to this point the all time leader on the ground. But, I think you short change Moore by suggesting he got his yards against lesser competition.

Moore ran for 89 yards against Miami on 23 carries coming out to 3.8 YPC. Cox had 48 yards on 8 carries, and around 120 on 8 without the penalty. Cox also had 125 yards rushing and around 40 receiving against Tennessee. He also was one of the only running backs to have over 100 yards against Clemson the year before that.

I'm not suggesting Moore only gets yards against lesser competition, only that Cox has out performed Moore against better competition. I've watched the Camelia bowl three times, Miami game twice, and Tennessee game three times; Cox has better vision than Moore in all of those games. Much like you believe I short change Moore, I believe you short change Cox by suggesting he is a system running back.

Saint3333 wrote:The NFL is a numbers game. RBs with Moore's physical build are more likely to get drafted or invited to camps than Cox. Good news is Moore may have Cox type numbers to go along with his size in two more years.

Saint3333 wrote:The NFL is a numbers game. RBs with Moore's physical build are more likely to get drafted or invited to camps than Cox. Good news is Moore may have Cox type numbers to go along with his size in two more years.

ericsaid wrote:

Saint3333 wrote:The NFL is a numbers game. RBs with Moore's physical build are more likely to get drafted or invited to camps than Cox. Good news is Moore may have Cox type numbers to go along with his size in two more years.

It's still possible for Cox to get an invite as guys begin dropping more players from this class will get picked up. I agree with you that Moore will likely have a better shot based on the eye test and his build, but I doubt there is a connection between Moore's production and Cox not getting an opportunity. If anything, it would boost the offensive line's stock, which appeared to be the case with Parker and likely for Gossett next year.

ericsaid wrote:Was his actual reason for transferring because he "wanted more exposure at a bigger program"? I seem to remember the coaching staff bouncing him around positions and him never really finding a fit here, thus he wasn't likely to have played much. Not to mention the fact that he still went to the NFL as an UDFA, the same as three other App players.