Marshall Pulls Out

[BambooRdApp]

No guarantees the team needing a QB would take the risk that he stays with them. The kid has risk that a potentially better option becomes available after XYZ team loses after this weekend and team recruiting him moves on. As such, he probably did not want to take that risk. It is wild wild West.

[AppWyo]

No guarantees the team needing a QB would take the risk that he stays with them. The kid has risk that a potentially better option becomes available after XYZ team loses after this weekend and team recruiting him moves on. As such, he probably did not want to take that risk. It is wild wild West.

The Good Wild Wild West with Robert Conrad not Will Smith.

[Seattleapp]

Go find me literally one player make more money per year in NIL than his coach. The vast majority of college football players receive very little NIL money.

His analogy is strong and arguably incorrect, but he’s 100% right that college football has finally caught up with capitalism. Young men are being financially compensated for their worth based on what the market sees as their value. The cherry on top is the number of obviously right-leaning folks who really hate to see this.

Why it bothers so many people that someone should be allowed to make money off their name and talent, and move to another job/school when a better opportunity arises, is completely beyond me.

What i find fascinating since this whole pay for play thing has blown up are the number of people such as yourself who climb atop some moral mountain and proclaim to the "Right wingers" you are on the side of saving these young men. There's also the insinuation of racism peppered in there as well just for good measure and it's always framed as being in favor or capitalism. Who's against that right? But it's much deeper than throwing a pile of money at a kid.

The very people, such as yourself who are accusing others of keeping these kids down I would argue in some cases, mine for example have the exact opposite agenda. I actually am really concerned about what life is going to look like in 20 years for a lot of these kids, many of whom come from not great areas or family lives. Traditionally football has always been a way out. But we aren't doing them any favors by removing all guardrails and throwing cash at them at 18. So many of these kids need structure. They need to know a college degree is important. Mentorship is crucial. Teamwork and accountability is important. Money management and basic life skills are necessary. I have genuine concerns all of that is being washed away now. I don't care if kids get paid. I'm a grown man with my own career and family. What I do have a problem with is that these kids are just whoring themselves out in six month blocks to people who don't give a rat's ass about what happens to them in life. There are ZERO expectations on the player now. Get as much money anywhere you can and nothing is more important than "gettin yours". I know many on here will disagree with my position but I think it's terrible what has happened to college athletics. We've gone from the "poor players" are getting exploited by the evil universities to now getting exploited by the fans who are renting them.

So while you proclaim you care so much about these kids being treated fairly. I'll sit back and wonder what will become of many of them once the money runs out and they aren't in the NFL and they don't have a degree or any real skills to fall back on. There will be fallout from all of this. There is a human element that transcends simply "getting paid" and if the position is well they gotta figure it out then perhaps folks aren't a virtuous as they would like to appear.

Not sure how this got screwed up but the part below is mine..mjohn1988
This is flat out spot on. I said pretty much the same in another thread. There are going to be a bunch of players who never graduate, never make any good relationships, don’t make the pros and end up broke and looking for a job only to find out being a has been football player isn’t really a sought after skill set. This needs some rules.

I love that yall think 5 or so years ago, before the new transfer rules and NIL, all football coaches and athletic departments were paragons of altruism. WON’T SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!?!?!? Gimme a break. Nick Saban, Urban Meyer, Steve Spurrier, or whoever weren’t teaching any of those kids life skills and money management, and those kids were still getting money, cars, clothes, or whatever.

Ironically, your argument actually supports the transfer rules. If a player decides to go to a school because he thinks a coach will help him develop, whether athletically, personally, or spiritually, isn’t it fair that said player should be able to transfer whenever that coach leaves for a different job and/or doesn’t follow through with his promises to the player?

College football has only been about winning games and making money since roughly the invention of television. I’m sorry you don’t like that every one is getting some of that money now.

You completely skirt the points I made which Is cool and not surprising. You are also being dishonest to suggest these kids are all transferring to get better “coaching”. No one believes that for a second. They are chasing money and that’s it. Also it’s lazy and dishonest to just throw coaches out there as villains. Just admit you are in the “I need my team to win at any cost to make me feel better” camp. And this isn’t some issue of the kids can’t transfer after a coach leaves. That’s not what this is at all.

I'm sorry. I will address your points to the best of my ability.

1. These are adult men who are allowed to vote, join the military, etc. These are not small children who need to be insulated from the real world, which is exactly what they are entering into.

2. I bring the political aspect into it because, in my experience, most people who are against NIL and the transfer rule are right-leaning. If we were talking about c-suite executives, the opinions would be different, but since it's sports/entertainment the idea of making all the money you want/can doesn't apply.

3. The hints of racism are valid. I'm not saying you're racist, certainly not intentionally. However, it's not a good look when the majority of college basketball and football players are African-American and folks expect them to work in exchange for room, board, and scholarship. They should get paid money just like any other college student with an additional full or part time job on top of their studies. The paternal "they need some guidance and structure" can also be construed as "I don't believe these young black men are smart enough to figure out life." Again, I'm not saying that's what you're saying, I'm just pointing out how it MIGHT be construed.

4. I'm not saying the coaches are the bad guys. I'm saying they are paid, and paid handsomely, to win football games. That's the goal. A lot of coaches pay lip service to "molding young men," and some of them put their money where their mouth is. But all coaches know that if you don't win, you won't be employed for long.

5. Some guys transfer for better coaching, some transfer to be closer to home, some for more exposure, some for more playing time, and yes, many for more money. These are many of the same reasons a professional adult would change jobs or a normal student would transfer schools.

6. I will agree with you, and many others, that contracts need to come into play. It's ridiculous (though kind of funny) when a player takes a load of NIL money and then transfers without playing a single down. Again, this isn't crazy because it's how pretty much any professional endeavor works.

My final point, if you're the type of person who hates this because "it's becoming semi-pro/minor league"... I don't know what to tell you. That's how it is, for better and worse. Personally, it doesn't change much for me. I enjoy minor league baseball and basketball, and college football has been a feeder league for the pros for decades now, the money is just on the table instead of under it.

Let me know if there are other points that I missed.
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Appreciate the response. Couple counter points. The military one doesn’t work for me. Because joining the military is literally the opposite of whatever this is. It’s nothing but accountability, teamwork and delayed gratification. Also, it’s not racist to say a kid comes from a terrible home life and needs mentors. I didn’t apply race to that. But it’s the truth and instead of being used as some gotcha it should be embraced.College and college coaches can completely turn wayward kids around. Just being good at football doesn’t mean you got life figured out at 19. These are still kids. Being 6’225 doesn’t mean you are magically “an adult”

[Mjohn1988]

I would be considered by most to be a touch more than right leaning and in principle I cannot be against NIL or the portal. I have been pretty consistent in saying written contracts and enforceable rules are necessary to make this work.

[9Steelman]

I assume the SBC will lose the amount of dollars they were getting for Marshall playing in a bowl game?

[AppinVA]

I assume the SBC will lose the amount of dollars they were getting for Marshall playing in a bowl game?

I can’t see a scenario where we could keep it.