Miami Hurricanes MBB Coach, Jim Larranaga stepping down

[AppState89]

Appears another college basketball coach is leaving due to NIL. Players from the Final 4 team jumped ship for $$. If coaches are stepping away, fans will too.

[BambooRdApp]

Yes, the changes in college athletics may be it's undoing in the long term in terms of holding fans...maybe or maybe not....time will tell.......however, I do see some hypocrisy with these types commentary by coaches, not just this coach. Coaches change jobs all the time whenever they get better opportunities, when they do not have good relationship with administration they work with, whatever reason etc.
Now the shoe is on the other foot. Players had to deal with coaches leaving for better opportunities...now coaches are having to deal with players leaving for better opportunities.

[goapps93]

Yes, the changes in college athletics may be it's undoing in the long term in terms of holding fans...maybe or maybe not....time will tell.......however, I do see some hypocrisy with these types commentary by coaches, not just this coach. Coaches change jobs all the time whenever they get better opportunities, when they do not have good relationship with administration they work with, whatever reason etc.
Now the shoe is on the other foot. Players had to deal with coaches leaving for better opportunities...now coaches are having to deal with players leaving for better opportunities.

I hate that argument. Coaches do their job for a living. Thry can also be fired. They are not young college students who have yet to prove themselves. Laranega, as one example, was head coach at three schools. He was at each for ten-plus years. Coaches and college athletes are NOT the same. But it seems we are on the way to allowing athletes to make a living playing college sports. I’m not financing it. I’ve had enough.

[DoesntEvenGoHere]

Yes, the changes in college athletics may be it's undoing in the long term in terms of holding fans...maybe or maybe not....time will tell.......however, I do see some hypocrisy with these types commentary by coaches, not just this coach. Coaches change jobs all the time whenever they get better opportunities, when they do not have good relationship with administration they work with, whatever reason etc.
Now the shoe is on the other foot. Players had to deal with coaches leaving for better opportunities...now coaches are having to deal with players leaving for better opportunities.

Such a weird way to view this.

You are not wrong, just why the "suck it up & deal with it" mentality? It's NOT the same scenario. Coaches can & do leave for better money & opportunity, but there are also contractual obligations that prevent them from leaving in the middle of the night leaving us empty handed.

The NCAA is now 100% AAU athletics. Not sure if any of you are familiar with the toxicity of AAU but you will soon learn.

I'm not anti portal. Power to the athletes, they are the product that we enjoy. They put on the show, they make the plays, the big shots, the big hits, the big catches. They represent the universities & colleges, and provide mostly regional fans to enjoy a sense of amateur athletics though we ignore that this isn't really amateur anymore.

Until players are obligated to commit to something, this is just chaos that's unrealistic & anyone who defends it is just playing devils advocate or trolling.

Imagine any other sports league that had 100% free agency every 6 months, and if your coach leaves you can immediately become a free agent again. Anyone think that league would survive?

[BambooRdApp]

Yes, the changes in college athletics may be it's undoing in the long term in terms of holding fans...maybe or maybe not....time will tell.......however, I do see some hypocrisy with these types commentary by coaches, not just this coach. Coaches change jobs all the time whenever they get better opportunities, when they do not have good relationship with administration they work with, whatever reason etc.
Now the shoe is on the other foot. Players had to deal with coaches leaving for better opportunities...now coaches are having to deal with players leaving for better opportunities.

Such a weird way to view this.

You are not wrong, just why the "suck it up & deal with it" mentality? It's NOT the same scenario. Coaches can & do leave for better money & opportunity, but there are also contractual obligations that prevent them from leaving in the middle of the night leaving us empty handed.

The NCAA is now 100% AAU athletics. Not sure if any of you are familiar with the toxicity of AAU but you will soon learn.

I'm not anti portal. Power to the athletes, they are the product that we enjoy. They put on the show, they make the plays, the big shots, the big hits, the big catches. They represent the universities & colleges, and provide mostly regional fans to enjoy a sense of amateur athletics though we ignore that this isn't really amateur anymore.

Until players are obligated to commit to something, this is just chaos that's unrealistic & anyone who defends it is just playing devils advocate or trolling.

Imagine any other sports league that had 100% free agency every 6 months, and if your coach leaves you can immediately become a free agent again. Anyone think that league would survive?

Not sucking it up and deal with it mentality. I am just stating the reality of it all. I hate that it is happening. I enjoyed having players for 3, 4, 5 years. However, the train has left the station.
Some coaches do stay for a period of time. However, they have no real obligation to do so if a better deal comes along and new school will pay buyout. See App. St. and Drink...not even one full year in Boone.
Some players stay 2, 3, or 4 years and transfer out as grad transfers ...maybe due to them getting better later in school and SEC finally comes knocking.
To a player that is at the school during the time a coach changes schools, it does not matter if the coach was there 1 year, 5 years or 10 years...it is a disruption to the players that are at the school at the time of the coach leaving.
It is what it is. You may not like it. I may not like it. This is just the current state

[Saint3333]

This coach isn’t one of them, took George Mason the final four and stayed there for 3-4 seasons afterwards. He did take the higher paying job, but let’s be fair in the instance.

He is more of an exception.

If you want to say coaches are hypocritical, sign the players to contracts and make them pay taxes.

If they want to be treated like employees/mercenaries. Let’s skip this middle stage quickly.

[canes_mj]

Fans aren't going anywhere. I know this is about a CBB coach, but it's been mostly applied to CFB, so I use the articles here referencing CFB, which has never been more popular. And NIL in CBB has improved the sports by influencing players to stay longer....before NIL what did people gripe about? 1 and done...players leaving....now players are staying, because it makes financial sense to do so, and people are griping still. (not referencing anyone on this board...just the general sentiment)

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New young coaches will take the place of the ones that leave, who will only know the new system. Same with new fans; they'll have no reference to the old system...and when they read about it, they'll likely think it ridiculous..."what? players didn't get ANY of that money?". For all the griping about NIL ruining the sport, I don't know of anyone who has stopped watching because of it. People will stop watching if the product is bad; other than that, the number who stops because of NIL/portal will be minimal, and more than made up for with new fans attracted to better matchups with the new conferences and the expanded playoffs. Every single change ever in CFB has been met with the same doomsday sky is falling predictions.

[Saint3333]

The bowl games are getting worse and the parity of CFB will suffer. The viewership of P2 games will increase to NFL lite numbers.

CFB at that level will thrive. The less favorable golden rule is playing out brilliantly for those programs.

[Appst86]

Appears another college basketball coach is leaving due to NIL. Players from the Final 4 team jumped ship for $$. If coaches are stepping away, fans will too.

The bigger risk for schools like App State, is donors will step away. The casual fan that does not care about how the sausage is made, will likely remain. I will still watch App State, but am seriously considering reducing my Yosef Club donation to the minimum required to buy season tickets and secure parking.

[canes_mj]

The bowl games are getting worse and the parity of CFB will suffer. The viewership of P2 games will increase to NFL lite numbers.

CFB at that level will thrive. The less favorable golden rule is playing out brilliantly for those programs.

Agree with you re this being good for the elites...the top 40 or 50 or so teams. But while a lot of people see this as a problem, I see it as a overall the good outweighing the bad. We get all the good teams, consolidated together into fewer leagues...which translates to more better matchups more often. The SEC already had 3 or 4 great games every week, and now even more with Tex and OU. The Big 10 this year for me was better than ever; adding Oregon, Wash, USC, UCLA (yeh), to play vs Mich, Ohio St, Wisc, Penn St.....just more good games between good brands. It's not perfect...conferences are so big they need to figure out how to make sure schedules are balanced; ACC was an example of this, none of their top teams played each other. Personally I think conferences should go back to divisions, which will balance the conference by splitting the good/middle/bad teams more evenly, and change to 10 conf games and only 2 non-conf.

[AppStFan1]

Appears another college basketball coach is leaving due to NIL. Players from the Final 4 team jumped ship for $$. If coaches are stepping away, fans will too.

The bigger risk for schools like App State, is donors will step away. The casual fan that does not care about how the sausage is made, will likely remain. I will still watch App State, but am seriously considering reducing my Yosef Club donation to the minimum required to buy season tickets and secure parking.

Our leadership knows that is likely to happen and I would bet they will keep raising that minimum to counter it.

[Saint3333]

The bowl games are getting worse and the parity of CFB will suffer. The viewership of P2 games will increase to NFL lite numbers.

CFB at that level will thrive. The less favorable golden rule is playing out brilliantly for those programs.

Agree with you re this being good for the elites...the top 40 or 50 or so teams. But while a lot of people see this as a problem, I see it as a overall the good outweighing the bad. We get all the good teams, consolidated together into fewer leagues...which translates to more better matchups more often. The SEC already had 3 or 4 great games every week, and now even more with Tex and OU. The Big 10 this year for me was better than ever; adding Oregon, Wash, USC, UCLA (yeh), to play vs Mich, Ohio St, Wisc, Penn St.....just more good games between good brands. It's not perfect...conferences are so big they need to figure out how to make sure schedules are balanced; ACC was an example of this, none of their top teams played each other. Personally I think conferences should go back to divisions, which will balance the conference by splitting the good/middle/bad teams more evenly, and change to 10 conf games and only 2 non-conf.

You must have some portion of fandom with the power schools, congrats.

[AppState89]

Appears another college basketball coach is leaving due to NIL. Players from the Final 4 team jumped ship for $$. If coaches are stepping away, fans will too.

The bigger risk for schools like App State, is donors will step away. The casual fan that does not care about how the sausage is made, will likely remain. I will still watch App State, but am seriously considering reducing my Yosef Club donation to the minimum required to buy season tickets and secure parking.

You must be around me all the time, because I'm saying the same thing now. Reducing to the minimum to keep my seats and maybe moving back to the lot I was at for many years. I'm not the only one in that boat either. I know of several that are thinking of doing the same.

[Stonewall]

The average “fan” who has never set foot on campus but drives the television numbers and those of us alums who have invested in the athletes education during good times and bad are two distinctly different groups. I don’t see the tv numbers changing much but I do believe it’s going to become more difficult to sell alums on investing. If we aren’t there already. Anecdotally I know of a few that are walking away.

[AppWyo]

The bowl games are getting worse and the parity of CFB will suffer. The viewership of P2 games will increase to NFL lite numbers.

CFB at that level will thrive. The less favorable golden rule is playing out brilliantly for those programs.

Agree with you re this being good for the elites...the top 40 or 50 or so teams. But while a lot of people see this as a problem, I see it as a overall the good outweighing the bad. We get all the good teams, consolidated together into fewer leagues...which translates to more better matchups more often. The SEC already had 3 or 4 great games every week, and now even more with Tex and OU. The Big 10 this year for me was better than ever; adding Oregon, Wash, USC, UCLA (yeh), to play vs Mich, Ohio St, Wisc, Penn St.....just more good games between good brands. It's not perfect...conferences are so big they need to figure out how to make sure schedules are balanced; ACC was an example of this, none of their top teams played each other. Personally I think conferences should go back to divisions, which will balance the conference by splitting the good/middle/bad teams more evenly, and change to 10 conf games and only 2 non-conf.

You must have some portion of fandom with the power schools, congrats.

No,
that is not how scheduling works. You make your conference schedule weak, so you go undefeated in the regular season, so you are more likely to get a bid to the college football playoff. For example, Texas State was picked to win the Sun Belt this year because they had the weakest schedule. All wins matter regardless of what the experts say.

[Stonewall]

They also had hired the reigning player of the year .

[1ASU78]

The average “fan” who has never set foot on campus but drives the television numbers and those of us alums who have invested in the athletes education during good times and bad are two distinctly different groups. I don’t see the tv numbers changing much but I do believe it’s going to become more difficult to sell alums on investing. If we aren’t there already. Anecdotally I know of a few that are walking away.

I think this is correct. Those of us who have a personal investment ( time in school and contributions now) in Appalachian know what a special place ASU IS. When the folks making contributions and driving 3.5 hours up the mountain then 3.5 home (us) decide the team is just “ passing through “ with no perceived loyalty to Appalachian we begin to rethink things. I understand things happen and a kid has to move on. It has become “I’ll show off this year and see who’ll write the biggest check.” We make a large time investment and dollars ( dollars beyond out Yosef dollars) to come to Boone for football. I’ll make all those investments next year and even pay $5 more for my aisle seat but I can stay home and see the game eating a sandwich in my recliner.

[KentHogan]

I expect there will be more fans walking away than we imagine, especially older fans who are completely against everything that is happening.

Imagine being a Marshall fan, buying your tickets, donating, traveling to games. Then it all pays off with a conference title! But wait, so many players walk away they have to cancel the bowl game.

That would make many fans question their commitment.

I haven’t decided whether I will renew my season tickets in a few months, just not sure.

A few years ago, I wouldn’t have even considered not renewing.

Its just not the same.

[spacemonkey]

Someone compared the new world to AAU....I agree with this and just like AAU we need to start charging players to be a part of our program. They can pay for use of the stadium, work out room, uniforms and travel....we will provide video footage for a fee each week. I think that is how AAU works. All in hopes of a bigger program sees them playing.

[Bigdaddyg1]

I’ve always been a believer that the NFL is the only sport truly designed for every team to be 9-8 or 8-9 (used to be 8-8). They have a uniform salary cap, balanced schedules and they allow for the worst teams to draft higher. The bad teams should only be bad due to injuries or a lack of a good quarterback. In my opinion other than that bad teams are bad because of awful ownership or front offices- no excuse beyond that.

Modern college football as a comparison is a huge league with no salary cap, completely unbalanced schedules and uncontrolled free agency. There was is also no commissioner or real governing body to help ensure competitive balance or any sense of fairness.

In the NFL by and large the good players want to be on the good teams but many opt for the bad because they can get paid- which makes sense. This allows for the bad to get better and often good fairly quickly. There is really no logical reason for teams like the Panthers and Jaguars (to name 2) to remain bad for extended periods of seasons.

Until college football puts in a uniform system of reasonable management it’s only going to get worse. Teams like App will have to hope they bring some studs, shock the world and hope to somehow retain talent. In reality we will see new G5’s pop up and drop off every season and those runs of several 9+ win seasons will be far and few between.