Executive Order for College Sports

[t4pizza]

I don’t fully understand why we’re going back and forth on non competes in corporate America. College football has turned into a professional sport, and that’s really the only comparison you need. Women’s soccer, nfl, mlb, nba, etc… all have contracts; most of which are multi year where they can only be renewed once a year.

To try to find any way possible to look down on the position the players/labor are in, to try and make any excuse possible to keep their entertainment the way they want it, instead of giving proper value to the labor that makes it happen. It's all about justification of the "old ways."

The problem with the system is that the "proper value" varies greatly between divisions, conferences, and schools. To have a blanket rule that treats all players the same is unsustainable in the current landscape and doesn't make any sense. Sure, players for big time conferences bring in big time money to those schools and should get some of that money. Does anyone actually think that ANY athlete on ANY App State team brings in ANY amount of appreciable money to the school such that they should be paid (to play) above and beyond the full ride scholarship with stipends? Not all schools are created equally. Sure the SEC (and Big 12 and some other major schools not in those conferences) players help fund massive investments in coaches, facilities, and non revenue sports and I would agree that players in those revenue sports should have access to some of those funds. But outside of maybe 40 or so schools, nobody else is making money off these players. So why are we treating everyone the same? Let the SEC and Big12 break away, officially turn semi pro, pay whatever they want, pay for play, unlimited transfers, wild wild west tampering, whatever (between those schools), but leave the rest of college sports alone and let a full ride scholarship, stipend and REAL NIL be awarded to those athletes that attend the schools that aren't rolling in the green.

[rbarthle17]

I don’t fully understand why we’re going back and forth on non competes in corporate America. College football has turned into a professional sport, and that’s really the only comparison you need. Women’s soccer, nfl, mlb, nba, etc… all have contracts; most of which are multi year where they can only be renewed once a year.

And there's arbitration hearings, holdouts, players throwing a tantrum in the locker room in order to get traded, those trades involving contract extensions, anything else I am missing?

In pro sports, the contract for a player these days is about 50/50 of being a viable binding document. But that's accepted behavior, and in some circles encouraged.

[appdaze]

I don’t fully understand why we’re going back and forth on non competes in corporate America. College football has turned into a professional sport, and that’s really the only comparison you need. Women’s soccer, nfl, mlb, nba, etc… all have contracts; most of which are multi year where they can only be renewed once a year.

To try to find any way possible to look down on the position the players/labor are in, to try and make any excuse possible to keep their entertainment the way they want it, instead of giving proper value to the labor that makes it happen. It's all about justification of the "old ways."

The problem with the system is that the "proper value" varies greatly between divisions, conferences, and schools. To have a blanket rule that treats all players the same is unsustainable in the current landscape and doesn't make any sense. Sure, players for big time conferences bring in big time money to those schools and should get some of that money. Does anyone actually think that ANY athlete on ANY App State team brings in ANY amount of appreciable money to the school such that they should be paid (to play) above and beyond the full ride scholarship with stipends? Not all schools are created equally. Sure the SEC (and Big 12 and some other major schools not in those conferences) players help fund massive investments in coaches, facilities, and non revenue sports and I would agree that players in those revenue sports should have access to some of those funds. But outside of maybe 40 or so schools, nobody else is making money off these players. So why are we treating everyone the same? Let the SEC and Big12 break away, officially turn semi pro, pay whatever they want, pay for play, unlimited transfers, wild wild west tampering, whatever (between those schools), but leave the rest of college sports alone and let a full ride scholarship, stipend and REAL NIL be awarded to those athletes that attend the schools that aren't rolling in the green.

It doesn't matter who breaks away. This box has been opened. Proper value varying between divisions, conferences, etc., is how all free labor markets work. Not all schools are created equally, you are correct, but neither is the rest of the labor market. Some of us were born into wealthy families, and some were not. Some of us worked our way up in life, and some of us did not. Some of us can afford a Lambo, and others cannot. Should we change the rules to make sure we can all afford the Lambo?
As far as not making money off players is concerned....how do you think we sell all these season tickets? By putting a high school team on the field? We have that stadium off the winning done by the coaches and players. This was all going to lead to a semi-pro minor league system from the day it started in 2013. There is no stopping this now.

[AppStFan1]

I don’t fully understand why we’re going back and forth on non competes in corporate America. College football has turned into a professional sport, and that’s really the only comparison you need. Women’s soccer, nfl, mlb, nba, etc… all have contracts; most of which are multi year where they can only be renewed once a year.

To try to find any way possible to look down on the position the players/labor are in, to try and make any excuse possible to keep their entertainment the way they want it, instead of giving proper value to the labor that makes it happen. It's all about justification of the "old ways."

The problem with the system is that the "proper value" varies greatly between divisions, conferences, and schools. To have a blanket rule that treats all players the same is unsustainable in the current landscape and doesn't make any sense. Sure, players for big time conferences bring in big time money to those schools and should get some of that money. Does anyone actually think that ANY athlete on ANY App State team brings in ANY amount of appreciable money to the school such that they should be paid (to play) above and beyond the full ride scholarship with stipends? Not all schools are created equally. Sure the SEC (and Big 12 and some other major schools not in those conferences) players help fund massive investments in coaches, facilities, and non revenue sports and I would agree that players in those revenue sports should have access to some of those funds. But outside of maybe 40 or so schools, nobody else is making money off these players. So why are we treating everyone the same? Let the SEC and Big12 break away, officially turn semi pro, pay whatever they want, pay for play, unlimited transfers, wild wild west tampering, whatever (between those schools), but leave the rest of college sports alone and let a full ride scholarship, stipend and REAL NIL be awarded to those athletes that attend the schools that aren't rolling in the green.

100% with you here. There is not a single player at App who actually brings in real money value. Sure, there are some who through legit NIL make a few hundred bucks a year with a name on a sandwich, a cut of jersey sales, etc but nobody is going to draw so much money that they should get paid even 100k, let alone 1M, for playing in Boone. I'm not insulting our players but simply stating what we all know in that the real money is drawn at the SEC or Big 10 and some of the Big 12 and ACC schools but that is about it.

[AppStFan1]

I don’t fully understand why we’re going back and forth on non competes in corporate America. College football has turned into a professional sport, and that’s really the only comparison you need. Women’s soccer, nfl, mlb, nba, etc… all have contracts; most of which are multi year where they can only be renewed once a year.

To try to find any way possible to look down on the position the players/labor are in, to try and make any excuse possible to keep their entertainment the way they want it, instead of giving proper value to the labor that makes it happen. It's all about justification of the "old ways."

The problem with the system is that the "proper value" varies greatly between divisions, conferences, and schools. To have a blanket rule that treats all players the same is unsustainable in the current landscape and doesn't make any sense. Sure, players for big time conferences bring in big time money to those schools and should get some of that money. Does anyone actually think that ANY athlete on ANY App State team brings in ANY amount of appreciable money to the school such that they should be paid (to play) above and beyond the full ride scholarship with stipends? Not all schools are created equally. Sure the SEC (and Big 12 and some other major schools not in those conferences) players help fund massive investments in coaches, facilities, and non revenue sports and I would agree that players in those revenue sports should have access to some of those funds. But outside of maybe 40 or so schools, nobody else is making money off these players. So why are we treating everyone the same? Let the SEC and Big12 break away, officially turn semi pro, pay whatever they want, pay for play, unlimited transfers, wild wild west tampering, whatever (between those schools), but leave the rest of college sports alone and let a full ride scholarship, stipend and REAL NIL be awarded to those athletes that attend the schools that aren't rolling in the green.

It doesn't matter who breaks away. This box has been opened. Proper value varying between divisions, conferences, etc., is how all free labor markets work. Not all schools are created equally, you are correct, but neither is the rest of the labor market. Some of us were born into wealthy families, and some were not. Some of us worked our way up in life, and some of us did not. Some of us can afford a Lambo, and others cannot. Should we change the rules to make sure we can all afford the Lambo?
As far as not making money off players is concerned....how do you think we sell all these season tickets? By putting a high school team on the field? We have that stadium off the winning done by the coaches and players. This was all going to lead to a semi-pro minor league system from the day it started in 2013. There is no stopping this now.

So the argument here sounds like he is saying that the App logo/tradition is what sells the tickets and you are saying it is individual players? I think Armanti Edwards is about the only player that I know of who actually was the attraction that caused people to buy tickets to our games who otherwise would not have come. I credit him because of what he did to beat Michigan and that did bring attention. People are paying to see the players but they are paying to see the group as a whole and not any 1-3 individual players, outside of their families.

I do think you are right that this is going semi-pro minor league system but I just don't see anywhere near 100 schools being at the highest level when it is said and done.

Do you think forming a LLC for athletics could make us immune to Title IX so we could drop a lot of men's sports and drop all of our women's sports so we stop losing so much money in those sports?

[appdaze]

I don’t fully understand why we’re going back and forth on non competes in corporate America. College football has turned into a professional sport, and that’s really the only comparison you need. Women’s soccer, nfl, mlb, nba, etc… all have contracts; most of which are multi year where they can only be renewed once a year.

To try to find any way possible to look down on the position the players/labor are in, to try and make any excuse possible to keep their entertainment the way they want it, instead of giving proper value to the labor that makes it happen. It's all about justification of the "old ways."

The problem with the system is that the "proper value" varies greatly between divisions, conferences, and schools. To have a blanket rule that treats all players the same is unsustainable in the current landscape and doesn't make any sense. Sure, players for big time conferences bring in big time money to those schools and should get some of that money. Does anyone actually think that ANY athlete on ANY App State team brings in ANY amount of appreciable money to the school such that they should be paid (to play) above and beyond the full ride scholarship with stipends? Not all schools are created equally. Sure the SEC (and Big 12 and some other major schools not in those conferences) players help fund massive investments in coaches, facilities, and non revenue sports and I would agree that players in those revenue sports should have access to some of those funds. But outside of maybe 40 or so schools, nobody else is making money off these players. So why are we treating everyone the same? Let the SEC and Big12 break away, officially turn semi pro, pay whatever they want, pay for play, unlimited transfers, wild wild west tampering, whatever (between those schools), but leave the rest of college sports alone and let a full ride scholarship, stipend and REAL NIL be awarded to those athletes that attend the schools that aren't rolling in the green.

It doesn't matter who breaks away. This box has been opened. Proper value varying between divisions, conferences, etc., is how all free labor markets work. Not all schools are created equally, you are correct, but neither is the rest of the labor market. Some of us were born into wealthy families, and some were not. Some of us worked our way up in life, and some of us did not. Some of us can afford a Lambo, and others cannot. Should we change the rules to make sure we can all afford the Lambo?
As far as not making money off players is concerned....how do you think we sell all these season tickets? By putting a high school team on the field? We have that stadium off the winning done by the coaches and players. This was all going to lead to a semi-pro minor league system from the day it started in 2013. There is no stopping this now.

So the argument here sounds like he is saying that the App logo/tradition is what sells the tickets and you are saying it is individual players? I think Armanti Edwards is about the only player that I know of who actually was the attraction that caused people to buy tickets to our games who otherwise would not have come. I credit him because of what he did to beat Michigan and that did bring attention. People are paying to see the players but they are paying to see the group as a whole and not any 1-3 individual players, outside of their families.

I do think you are right that this is going semi-pro minor league system but I just don't see anywhere near 100 schools being at the highest level when it is said and done.

Do you think forming a LLC for athletics could make us immune to Title IX so we could drop a lot of men's sports and drop all of our women's sports so we stop losing so much money in those sports?

What are icons and traditions without the people who made them matter? How big are we if our coaches and players didn't win those 3 chips and beat Michigan? Do we even move up? What if we had been a perennial loser for the last 30 years? No season with more than 3 wins. What are the ticket sales then? Does the App "tradition" and Iconography sell out the stadium with decades of losing? All of this stuff has, and always will, come down to players and coaches creating a winning atmosphere that gets fans and students to care by building core memories of fun and exhilaration. One thing to keep in mind that the money at the top schools is different for a different reason. Gambling groups are using NIL to do what they do. Wealthy people are buying star players in the hopes they can buy gambling wins. People aren't doing that for the G5.

I fear for Title IX and women's sports....

One thing that might help college athletics get back to a more semi-amateur level. I say semi because it will never fully go back. Remove all of the rules keeping players from going pro out of high school. This would have to be negotiated with the pro leagues. If you go to play college ball then you sign 2 year contracts that have to be paid back by the player on a pro rated base upon transferring. Each transfer requires a fee be paid to the school of origin by the destination school. I'll make up numbers here. Say 15k for transfers between P5 schools and 10k when its from G5 to P5. If you have 10 players to transfer, then you would have 150k to spend. These numbers would only be applicable to football. Transfers would still happen as upper P5s are hundreds of millions in debt already and have to win to not go under.

Like I said in a post somewhere. I don't like what its all doing to college sports, just for the record, but I'm also a firm believer in capitalism so this is a tough thing for me to be totally against.

[AppStFan1]

To try to find any way possible to look down on the position the players/labor are in, to try and make any excuse possible to keep their entertainment the way they want it, instead of giving proper value to the labor that makes it happen. It's all about justification of the "old ways."

The problem with the system is that the "proper value" varies greatly between divisions, conferences, and schools. To have a blanket rule that treats all players the same is unsustainable in the current landscape and doesn't make any sense. Sure, players for big time conferences bring in big time money to those schools and should get some of that money. Does anyone actually think that ANY athlete on ANY App State team brings in ANY amount of appreciable money to the school such that they should be paid (to play) above and beyond the full ride scholarship with stipends? Not all schools are created equally. Sure the SEC (and Big 12 and some other major schools not in those conferences) players help fund massive investments in coaches, facilities, and non revenue sports and I would agree that players in those revenue sports should have access to some of those funds. But outside of maybe 40 or so schools, nobody else is making money off these players. So why are we treating everyone the same? Let the SEC and Big12 break away, officially turn semi pro, pay whatever they want, pay for play, unlimited transfers, wild wild west tampering, whatever (between those schools), but leave the rest of college sports alone and let a full ride scholarship, stipend and REAL NIL be awarded to those athletes that attend the schools that aren't rolling in the green.

It doesn't matter who breaks away. This box has been opened. Proper value varying between divisions, conferences, etc., is how all free labor markets work. Not all schools are created equally, you are correct, but neither is the rest of the labor market. Some of us were born into wealthy families, and some were not. Some of us worked our way up in life, and some of us did not. Some of us can afford a Lambo, and others cannot. Should we change the rules to make sure we can all afford the Lambo?
As far as not making money off players is concerned....how do you think we sell all these season tickets? By putting a high school team on the field? We have that stadium off the winning done by the coaches and players. This was all going to lead to a semi-pro minor league system from the day it started in 2013. There is no stopping this now.

So the argument here sounds like he is saying that the App logo/tradition is what sells the tickets and you are saying it is individual players? I think Armanti Edwards is about the only player that I know of who actually was the attraction that caused people to buy tickets to our games who otherwise would not have come. I credit him because of what he did to beat Michigan and that did bring attention. People are paying to see the players but they are paying to see the group as a whole and not any 1-3 individual players, outside of their families.

I do think you are right that this is going semi-pro minor league system but I just don't see anywhere near 100 schools being at the highest level when it is said and done.

Do you think forming a LLC for athletics could make us immune to Title IX so we could drop a lot of men's sports and drop all of our women's sports so we stop losing so much money in those sports?

What are icons and traditions without the people who made them matter? How big are we if our coaches and players didn't win those 3 chips and beat Michigan? Do we even move up? What if we had been a perennial loser for the last 30 years? No season with more than 3 wins. What are the ticket sales then? Does the App "tradition" and Iconography sell out the stadium with decades of losing? All of this stuff has, and always will, come down to players and coaches creating a winning atmosphere that gets fans and students to care by building core memories of fun and exhilaration. One thing to keep in mind that the money at the top schools is different for a different reason. Gambling groups are using NIL to do what they do. Wealthy people are buying star players in the hopes they can buy gambling wins. People aren't doing that for the G5.

I fear for Title IX and women's sports....

One thing that might help college athletics get back to a more semi-amateur level. I say semi because it will never fully go back. Remove all of the rules keeping players from going pro out of high school. This would have to be negotiated with the pro leagues. If you go to play college ball then you sign 2 year contracts that have to be paid back by the player on a pro rated base upon transferring. Each transfer requires a fee be paid to the school of origin by the destination school. I'll make up numbers here. Say 15k for transfers between P5 schools and 10k when its from G5 to P5. If you have 10 players to transfer, then you would have 150k to spend. These numbers would only be applicable to football. Transfers would still happen as upper P5s are hundreds of millions in debt already and have to win to not go under.

Like I said in a post somewhere. I don't like what its all doing to college sports, just for the record, but I'm also a firm believer in capitalism so this is a tough thing for me to be totally against.

I am with you on capitalism. I am not against players or anyone making money. My whole thing is we have to come up with some rules because if we let this sport destroy itself then eventually many of us won't have interest and we could see the sport die somewhat. I already find myself not really caring as much as I use to. There was a time when I would want coaches fired if we don't win a certain amount of games and now I just say let the coaches stay to avoid buyouts and shrink their budgets because I find myself thinking more about the financial bottom line then what is best for the winning culture.

[appst89]

I don’t fully understand why we’re going back and forth on non competes in corporate America. College football has turned into a professional sport, and that’s really the only comparison you need. Women’s soccer, nfl, mlb, nba, etc… all have contracts; most of which are multi year where they can only be renewed once a year.

To try to find any way possible to look down on the position the players/labor are in, to try and make any excuse possible to keep their entertainment the way they want it, instead of giving proper value to the labor that makes it happen. It's all about justification of the "old ways."

The problem with the system is that the "proper value" varies greatly between divisions, conferences, and schools. To have a blanket rule that treats all players the same is unsustainable in the current landscape and doesn't make any sense. Sure, players for big time conferences bring in big time money to those schools and should get some of that money. Does anyone actually think that ANY athlete on ANY App State team brings in ANY amount of appreciable money to the school such that they should be paid (to play) above and beyond the full ride scholarship with stipends? Not all schools are created equally. Sure the SEC (and Big 12 and some other major schools not in those conferences) players help fund massive investments in coaches, facilities, and non revenue sports and I would agree that players in those revenue sports should have access to some of those funds. But outside of maybe 40 or so schools, nobody else is making money off these players. So why are we treating everyone the same? Let the SEC and Big12 break away, officially turn semi pro, pay whatever they want, pay for play, unlimited transfers, wild wild west tampering, whatever (between those schools), but leave the rest of college sports alone and let a full ride scholarship, stipend and REAL NIL be awarded to those athletes that attend the schools that aren't rolling in the green.

It doesn't matter who breaks away. This box has been opened. Proper value varying between divisions, conferences, etc., is how all free labor markets work. Not all schools are created equally, you are correct, but neither is the rest of the labor market. Some of us were born into wealthy families, and some were not. Some of us worked our way up in life, and some of us did not. Some of us can afford a Lambo, and others cannot. Should we change the rules to make sure we can all afford the Lambo?
As far as not making money off players is concerned....how do you think we sell all these season tickets? By putting a high school team on the field? We have that stadium off the winning done by the coaches and players. This was all going to lead to a semi-pro minor league system from the day it started in 2013. There is no stopping this now.

And yet the athletic department cannot support itself without a tax on the students.

If the players are generating that much money then the school should do away with those fees.

[appdaze]

I don’t fully understand why we’re going back and forth on non competes in corporate America. College football has turned into a professional sport, and that’s really the only comparison you need. Women’s soccer, nfl, mlb, nba, etc… all have contracts; most of which are multi year where they can only be renewed once a year.

To try to find any way possible to look down on the position the players/labor are in, to try and make any excuse possible to keep their entertainment the way they want it, instead of giving proper value to the labor that makes it happen. It's all about justification of the "old ways."

The problem with the system is that the "proper value" varies greatly between divisions, conferences, and schools. To have a blanket rule that treats all players the same is unsustainable in the current landscape and doesn't make any sense. Sure, players for big time conferences bring in big time money to those schools and should get some of that money. Does anyone actually think that ANY athlete on ANY App State team brings in ANY amount of appreciable money to the school such that they should be paid (to play) above and beyond the full ride scholarship with stipends? Not all schools are created equally. Sure the SEC (and Big 12 and some other major schools not in those conferences) players help fund massive investments in coaches, facilities, and non revenue sports and I would agree that players in those revenue sports should have access to some of those funds. But outside of maybe 40 or so schools, nobody else is making money off these players. So why are we treating everyone the same? Let the SEC and Big12 break away, officially turn semi pro, pay whatever they want, pay for play, unlimited transfers, wild wild west tampering, whatever (between those schools), but leave the rest of college sports alone and let a full ride scholarship, stipend and REAL NIL be awarded to those athletes that attend the schools that aren't rolling in the green.

It doesn't matter who breaks away. This box has been opened. Proper value varying between divisions, conferences, etc., is how all free labor markets work. Not all schools are created equally, you are correct, but neither is the rest of the labor market. Some of us were born into wealthy families, and some were not. Some of us worked our way up in life, and some of us did not. Some of us can afford a Lambo, and others cannot. Should we change the rules to make sure we can all afford the Lambo?
As far as not making money off players is concerned....how do you think we sell all these season tickets? By putting a high school team on the field? We have that stadium off the winning done by the coaches and players. This was all going to lead to a semi-pro minor league system from the day it started in 2013. There is no stopping this now.

And yet the athletic department cannot support itself without a tax on the students.

If the players are generating that much money then the school should do away with those fees.

We spend what we generate. It doesn't matter what we generate or where we get it, we spend it like most are doing. I wholly agree that all schools should stop the athletics part of student fees. It has gotten insanely out of hand, but college athletics have hit a point of no return where win at all costs rules the decision-making.

[ArmantiWaterSafety]

These are all assumptions, but I feel like we've built our brand based on the one-off influx of exposure from beating the teams we shouldn't. The obvious Michigan, but just as that wave was about to completely die off, we go and knock off A&M and get college game day here. I can't remember how much they said that exposure was worth but it was a huge number.

Regardless of the new executive order which I figure will last about 30 days before some lawsuit strikes it down, I don't think the new landscape of college football will allow us to get that big win anymore. One transfer with immediate eligibility will still let the big guys poach our best every year. Can we/will we survive without those one-off huge influxes?

[AppStFan1]

I don’t fully understand why we’re going back and forth on non competes in corporate America. College football has turned into a professional sport, and that’s really the only comparison you need. Women’s soccer, nfl, mlb, nba, etc… all have contracts; most of which are multi year where they can only be renewed once a year.

To try to find any way possible to look down on the position the players/labor are in, to try and make any excuse possible to keep their entertainment the way they want it, instead of giving proper value to the labor that makes it happen. It's all about justification of the "old ways."

The problem with the system is that the "proper value" varies greatly between divisions, conferences, and schools. To have a blanket rule that treats all players the same is unsustainable in the current landscape and doesn't make any sense. Sure, players for big time conferences bring in big time money to those schools and should get some of that money. Does anyone actually think that ANY athlete on ANY App State team brings in ANY amount of appreciable money to the school such that they should be paid (to play) above and beyond the full ride scholarship with stipends? Not all schools are created equally. Sure the SEC (and Big 12 and some other major schools not in those conferences) players help fund massive investments in coaches, facilities, and non revenue sports and I would agree that players in those revenue sports should have access to some of those funds. But outside of maybe 40 or so schools, nobody else is making money off these players. So why are we treating everyone the same? Let the SEC and Big12 break away, officially turn semi pro, pay whatever they want, pay for play, unlimited transfers, wild wild west tampering, whatever (between those schools), but leave the rest of college sports alone and let a full ride scholarship, stipend and REAL NIL be awarded to those athletes that attend the schools that aren't rolling in the green.

It doesn't matter who breaks away. This box has been opened. Proper value varying between divisions, conferences, etc., is how all free labor markets work. Not all schools are created equally, you are correct, but neither is the rest of the labor market. Some of us were born into wealthy families, and some were not. Some of us worked our way up in life, and some of us did not. Some of us can afford a Lambo, and others cannot. Should we change the rules to make sure we can all afford the Lambo?
As far as not making money off players is concerned....how do you think we sell all these season tickets? By putting a high school team on the field? We have that stadium off the winning done by the coaches and players. This was all going to lead to a semi-pro minor league system from the day it started in 2013. There is no stopping this now.

And yet the athletic department cannot support itself without a tax on the students.

If the players are generating that much money then the school should do away with those fees.

100%!! That is my whole issue. I even think schools should not be taking taxpayer money if these athletes are generating so much revenue. Why should students and taxpayers have to subsidize them?

[AppStFan1]

To try to find any way possible to look down on the position the players/labor are in, to try and make any excuse possible to keep their entertainment the way they want it, instead of giving proper value to the labor that makes it happen. It's all about justification of the "old ways."

The problem with the system is that the "proper value" varies greatly between divisions, conferences, and schools. To have a blanket rule that treats all players the same is unsustainable in the current landscape and doesn't make any sense. Sure, players for big time conferences bring in big time money to those schools and should get some of that money. Does anyone actually think that ANY athlete on ANY App State team brings in ANY amount of appreciable money to the school such that they should be paid (to play) above and beyond the full ride scholarship with stipends? Not all schools are created equally. Sure the SEC (and Big 12 and some other major schools not in those conferences) players help fund massive investments in coaches, facilities, and non revenue sports and I would agree that players in those revenue sports should have access to some of those funds. But outside of maybe 40 or so schools, nobody else is making money off these players. So why are we treating everyone the same? Let the SEC and Big12 break away, officially turn semi pro, pay whatever they want, pay for play, unlimited transfers, wild wild west tampering, whatever (between those schools), but leave the rest of college sports alone and let a full ride scholarship, stipend and REAL NIL be awarded to those athletes that attend the schools that aren't rolling in the green.

It doesn't matter who breaks away. This box has been opened. Proper value varying between divisions, conferences, etc., is how all free labor markets work. Not all schools are created equally, you are correct, but neither is the rest of the labor market. Some of us were born into wealthy families, and some were not. Some of us worked our way up in life, and some of us did not. Some of us can afford a Lambo, and others cannot. Should we change the rules to make sure we can all afford the Lambo?
As far as not making money off players is concerned....how do you think we sell all these season tickets? By putting a high school team on the field? We have that stadium off the winning done by the coaches and players. This was all going to lead to a semi-pro minor league system from the day it started in 2013. There is no stopping this now.

And yet the athletic department cannot support itself without a tax on the students.

If the players are generating that much money then the school should do away with those fees.

We spend what we generate. It doesn't matter what we generate or where we get it, we spend it like most are doing. I wholly agree that all schools should stop the athletics part of student fees. It has gotten insanely out of hand, but college athletics have hit a point of no return where win at all costs rules the decision-making.

Well then we should stop with the fees and spend what they actually generate instead of having student fees. Winning at all costs is going to create more and more issues. I really want to hear the legal results if we become a LLC to separate from the school and see what we can do about Title IX and other expenses. I'm all for players getting part of what they generate but the reality is most sports don't generate revenue and operate at a fairly big loss.

[appdaze]

The problem with the system is that the "proper value" varies greatly between divisions, conferences, and schools. To have a blanket rule that treats all players the same is unsustainable in the current landscape and doesn't make any sense. Sure, players for big time conferences bring in big time money to those schools and should get some of that money. Does anyone actually think that ANY athlete on ANY App State team brings in ANY amount of appreciable money to the school such that they should be paid (to play) above and beyond the full ride scholarship with stipends? Not all schools are created equally. Sure the SEC (and Big 12 and some other major schools not in those conferences) players help fund massive investments in coaches, facilities, and non revenue sports and I would agree that players in those revenue sports should have access to some of those funds. But outside of maybe 40 or so schools, nobody else is making money off these players. So why are we treating everyone the same? Let the SEC and Big12 break away, officially turn semi pro, pay whatever they want, pay for play, unlimited transfers, wild wild west tampering, whatever (between those schools), but leave the rest of college sports alone and let a full ride scholarship, stipend and REAL NIL be awarded to those athletes that attend the schools that aren't rolling in the green.

It doesn't matter who breaks away. This box has been opened. Proper value varying between divisions, conferences, etc., is how all free labor markets work. Not all schools are created equally, you are correct, but neither is the rest of the labor market. Some of us were born into wealthy families, and some were not. Some of us worked our way up in life, and some of us did not. Some of us can afford a Lambo, and others cannot. Should we change the rules to make sure we can all afford the Lambo?
As far as not making money off players is concerned....how do you think we sell all these season tickets? By putting a high school team on the field? We have that stadium off the winning done by the coaches and players. This was all going to lead to a semi-pro minor league system from the day it started in 2013. There is no stopping this now.

And yet the athletic department cannot support itself without a tax on the students.

If the players are generating that much money then the school should do away with those fees.

We spend what we generate. It doesn't matter what we generate or where we get it, we spend it like most are doing. I wholly agree that all schools should stop the athletics part of student fees. It has gotten insanely out of hand, but college athletics have hit a point of no return where win at all costs rules the decision-making.

Well then we should stop with the fees and spend what they actually generate instead of having student fees. Winning at all costs is going to create more and more issues. I really want to hear the legal results if we become a LLC to separate from the school and see what we can do about Title IX and other expenses. I'm all for players getting part of what they generate but the reality is most sports don't generate revenue and operate at a fairly big loss.

Title IX is solely dependent on it being tied to participation in k-12 or collegiate amateur sports. No professional league is bound by title IX. If it were a separate entity that just paid the school for its NIL to at least keep some semblance of name recognition, then title IX would no longer apply in its current form. Only the sports that stay with the schools would be under IX. The issue with fully separating from a school is that there is nothing holding back one of these new minor league programs from leaving the school 10-20-30 years down the road. Think about the movement of minor league baseball teams, as minor league baseball would be the best comparison to what it would look like with P4-G6-FCS-DII-DIII-NAIA-NJCAA being the progressive divisions. As far as the money goes, it would now be an independent entity that could succeed or fail like any other LLC. Some will go bankrupt and vanish. Some will succeed. I would be willing to bet they wouldn't go the LLC route but would be owned like other pro sports, either by wealthy elites or many private investors who hire GMs etc..to run the day to day operations.

[BambooRdApp]

Let's not kid ourselves, haven't we always been trying to "win at all costs" historically and prior to NIL with the football program?All costs are just confined by the amount of money one can obtain in order to try to win. Some schools generate $10 million, other schools generate $100 million, etc Historically, if App. St. had generated $50 million in football revenue, we would have spent it all (or most of it) whether to improve player facilities, stadium upgrades, etc.
NIL has just added another component to the mix that gets some of the pie.

[AppOrange]

Dead man walkin . . .

[ASUTodd]

Cut out all sports and just do education.

[AppStFan1]

It doesn't matter who breaks away. This box has been opened. Proper value varying between divisions, conferences, etc., is how all free labor markets work. Not all schools are created equally, you are correct, but neither is the rest of the labor market. Some of us were born into wealthy families, and some were not. Some of us worked our way up in life, and some of us did not. Some of us can afford a Lambo, and others cannot. Should we change the rules to make sure we can all afford the Lambo?
As far as not making money off players is concerned....how do you think we sell all these season tickets? By putting a high school team on the field? We have that stadium off the winning done by the coaches and players. This was all going to lead to a semi-pro minor league system from the day it started in 2013. There is no stopping this now.

And yet the athletic department cannot support itself without a tax on the students.

If the players are generating that much money then the school should do away with those fees.

We spend what we generate. It doesn't matter what we generate or where we get it, we spend it like most are doing. I wholly agree that all schools should stop the athletics part of student fees. It has gotten insanely out of hand, but college athletics have hit a point of no return where win at all costs rules the decision-making.

Well then we should stop with the fees and spend what they actually generate instead of having student fees. Winning at all costs is going to create more and more issues. I really want to hear the legal results if we become a LLC to separate from the school and see what we can do about Title IX and other expenses. I'm all for players getting part of what they generate but the reality is most sports don't generate revenue and operate at a fairly big loss.

Title IX is solely dependent on it being tied to participation in k-12 or collegiate amateur sports. No professional league is bound by title IX. If it were a separate entity that just paid the school for its NIL to at least keep some semblance of name recognition, then title IX would no longer apply in its current form. Only the sports that stay with the schools would be under IX. The issue with fully separating from a school is that there is nothing holding back one of these new minor league programs from leaving the school 10-20-30 years down the road. Think about the movement of minor league baseball teams, as minor league baseball would be the best comparison to what it would look like with P4-G6-FCS-DII-DIII-NAIA-NJCAA being the progressive divisions. As far as the money goes, it would now be an independent entity that could succeed or fail like any other LLC. Some will go bankrupt and vanish. Some will succeed. I would be willing to bet they wouldn't go the LLC route but would be owned like other pro sports, either by wealthy elites or many private investors who hire GMs etc..to run the day to day operations.

That is what I was thinking but did not know 100% because if functioning with school logo and name. Honestly, I say we do that and shed any sport that does not generate money. They are getting paid and time that players get paid if they generate revenue. I say remove the protections. If some succeed and some vanish then that is the free market. Time these athletes really learn the free market. Some will flourish and love it but many will not. I'm down for it.

[Saint3333]

https://www.al.com/sports/2026/04/nick- ... comes%20to

Decent take here from Saban. Hopefully the momentum triggered by this EO continues.