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Re: It's not over yet

Unread post by Maddog1956 » Fri Mar 07, 2014 1:03 pm

bcoach wrote: You are correct. We did get a little off topic. They should give him what they contracted for and yes it was me who said for him to shut up. That was a little strong. I am just tired of this whole national conversation that we owe athletes more than what they are given. What they contribute to the university is recreation for students and alumni. Their scholarships carry more benefit to them than any other scholarship I am aware of. There are many who contribute to the university who get nothing at all. I used the example of trainers and there are many others. I believe that they should get what they contracted for but no more. Enough is given already.
I think it is sometimes forgotten that many students are not on daddy's dime. They have student loans and part of that money is athletic fees. That means those people will be paying for years so that the athlete who is on a free ride can play their sport. So I will not say shut up but maybe they could just back down and thank their fellow students.
I wish it was "pure" as well, college sports are big money now and that's they the way it is.

I just wanted to remind people that these kids (if they do the right thing) put in a lot of work, so we can talk have something to talk about. They do get a lot of help and special attention, but that's the way it is if you have a talent. And they get it because, and I think this is the important thing, because we want them to choose us.

I also think that no one should get into a school they shouldn't get into, that's the first mistake.
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Re: It's not over yet

Unread post by wataugan03 » Fri Mar 07, 2014 5:14 pm

The issue isn't whether athletes are getting a fair deal. The issue is that the NCAA is restricting the rights of the players to bargain for their own deal. The student athletic trainer is allowed to bargain with the school for anything he wants: money, scholarships, whatever. And this is actually done (at least at the graduate school level).

Athletes can't bargain for anything. The NCAA has set a standard and all member institutions must follow it. Its a cartel. Normally this kind of organization can only operate as a cartel if the employees unionize (like what we have in the NBA and NFL). But, so far the NCAA been able to operate as a cartel on the basis that the athletes are not employees and that the NCAA is a non-profit promoting the public interest. These assertions are beginning to seem flimsy. I think the end result will either be the destruction of the NCAA (or at least its cartel like powers) or a union of college athletes with the power to bargain with the NCAA.

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Re: It's not over yet

Unread post by bcoach » Fri Mar 07, 2014 5:51 pm

wataugan03 wrote:The issue isn't whether athletes are getting a fair deal. The issue is that the NCAA is restricting the rights of the players to bargain for their own deal. The student athletic trainer is allowed to bargain with the school for anything he wants: money, scholarships, whatever. And this is actually done (at least at the graduate school level).

Athletes can't bargain for anything. The NCAA has set a standard and all member institutions must follow it. Its a cartel. Normally this kind of organization can only operate as a cartel if the employees unionize (like what we have in the NBA and NFL). But, so far the NCAA been able to operate as a cartel on the basis that the athletes are not employees and that the NCAA is a non-profit promoting the public interest. These assertions are beginning to seem flimsy. I think the end result will either be the destruction of the NCAA (or at least its cartel like powers) or a union of college athletes with the power to bargain with the NCAA.
You may call it a cartel but it is an organization that has made it possible for athletes to compete and gat a free education. They have leveled the table. They are not perfect but without someone making the rules collage athletics would be in chaos. When they are allowed to unionize or get paychecks it will be the beginning of the end of collage athletics. I have very direct knowledge of what the NFL union can do to a team and we could not stand up to that. Do you honestly think that ASU has the money to pay players? I am going to make you a promise. If folks that feel the way you do get their way there will be many schools that drop football and we would not be immune to that. Be careful what you wish for because some idiot judge may give it to you.
I can't speak for the grad school level but I promise you there is no bargaining for trainers at the undergrad level. I promise you if one of our football trainers tries to bargain for anything more than maybe a t shirt they will be asked to step aside so that the next trainer can have their spot.

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