JMU vs NDSU

[boonetown1]

At Greys Tavern in Greensboro and there is a huge JMU gathering going on. I hate it but I'm jealous. Loud App fans are non existent around here.

World of beer tomorrow night is the app viewing party in GSO. Perhaps you should come help the nonexistent loud app fans. You could teach us a thing or two

[NoLongerLurking]

Interesting stuff.

[EastHallApp]

In an alternate universe, the Sun Belt might have let Idaho and New Mexico State stay, added ND State, Montana and Montana State, and split into two seven-team divisions.

[AppSt94]

In an alternate universe, the Sun Belt might have let Idaho and New Mexico State stay, added ND State, Montana and Montana State, and split into two seven-team divisions.

Interesting. Not a bad idea. Just curious though as to which three teams would be the real losers and get moved to the that division?

[yosef13]

Just think in the old world we could quite possibly be playing this game

These 2 teams could win the Sunbelt. They're definitely the exception to the FCS rule. Fun game. GO APPS!

I'm not so sure about that. The first thing I noticed when I tuned in the 3rd was the size and speed of both teams compared to App and our peers. I think they could complete, but the SB is bigger and faster. Also they don't have the depth that we have. Basically the same thing people used to say about us when we were FCS. They might finish middle of the pack.

I hope JMU wins a title and makes the move. Would like to have them in conference or as a FBS peer.

[bcoach]

Got that Fargo Done packed out looks like.

This is two programs alongside Montana that I don't see why they don't move up

See NDST and Montana can't move up because of conference allighment there are no conferences near them JM on the other hand thinks there too good for the sun belt because they turned down the sun belt offer

Or maybe they are just happy where they are.

[yosef13]

Got that Fargo Done packed out looks like.

This is two programs alongside Montana that I don't see why they don't move up

See NDST and Montana can't move up because of conference allighment there are no conferences near them JM on the other hand thinks there too good for the sun belt because they turned down the sun belt offer

Or maybe they are just happy where they are.

JMU is definitely not.

[bcoach]

Got that Fargo Done packed out looks like.

This is two programs alongside Montana that I don't see why they don't move up

See NDST and Montana can't move up because of conference allighment there are no conferences near them JM on the other hand thinks there too good for the sun belt because they turned down the sun belt offer

Or maybe they are just happy where they are.

JMU is definitely not.

I don't know that. I know a few JMU folks who are happy but I have no idea how the administration feels. The folks at the game last night looked pretty happy.

[yosef13]

Got that Fargo Done packed out looks like.

This is two programs alongside Montana that I don't see why they don't move up

See NDST and Montana can't move up because of conference allighment there are no conferences near them JM on the other hand thinks there too good for the sun belt because they turned down the sun belt offer

Or maybe they are just happy where they are.

JMU is definitely not.

I don't know that. I know a few JMU folks who are happy but I have no idea how the administration feels. The folks at the game last night looked pretty happy.

Of course they did. The administration was happy too, however, they have ambitions of an FBS move. They just aren't realistic. If the powers that be would come down to earth, they could and should make a move to the SB.

[EastHallApp]

See NDST and Montana can't move up because of conference allighment there are no conferences near them JM on the other hand thinks there too good for the sun belt because they turned down the sun belt offer

Or maybe they are just happy where they are.

JMU is definitely not.

I don't know that. I know a few JMU folks who are happy but I have no idea how the administration feels. The folks at the game last night looked pretty happy.

Of course they did. The administration was happy too, however, they have ambitions of an FBS move. They just aren't realistic. If the powers that be would come down to earth, they could and should make a move to the SB.

Sun Belt doesn't need them anymore.

[McLeansvilleAppFan]

Or maybe they are just happy where they are.

JMU is definitely not.

I don't know that. I know a few JMU folks who are happy but I have no idea how the administration feels. The folks at the game last night looked pretty happy.

Of course they did. The administration was happy too, however, they have ambitions of an FBS move. They just aren't realistic. If the powers that be would come down to earth, they could and should make a move to the SB.

Sun Belt doesn't need them anymore.

On the one hand the SB PtB could give a middle finger to JMU given JMU's perceived view of the SB, but I think the SB and especially APP would be better off with JMU in the SB and if the option came forward the SB would let them join. That is a bit App-centric and I am sure TxSt would not care to have to travel even farther, but that would be a nice game every year.

[bcoach]

We are just so full of ourselves that if someone doesn't do what we do or what we want they are wrong. They chose to not join the Sun Belt so they are not realistic, they are too good for us and on and on. I actually don't like JMU even a little bit but I also don't think they are idiots. I think they know more about their goals than we do. They seem to be doing just fine and in fact have up their game considerably. We just don't look very good when we claim to know everything, and what is best for everyone. Remember we were not very enthused by the SB either and were hoping for somewhere else.

[fjblair]

We are just so full of ourselves that if someone doesn't do what we do or what we want they are wrong. They chose to not join the Sun Belt so they are not realistic, they are too good for us and on and on. I actually don't like JMU even a little bit but I also don't think they are idiots. I think they know more about their goals than we do. They seem to be doing just fine and in fact have up their game considerably. We just don't look very good when we claim to know everything, and what is best for everyone. Remember we were not very enthused by the SB either and were hoping for somewhere else.

I don't understand your rant. We became realistic. JMU thinks they are worthy of an ACC bid. Meanwhile the FBS is rolling right past them. At some point in the near future the door will close for FCS teams on the move up. Get in where you can and make your move from there if the stars align.

[yosef13]

We are just so full of ourselves that if someone doesn't do what we do or what we want they are wrong. They chose to not join the Sun Belt so they are not realistic, they are too good for us and on and on. I actually don't like JMU even a little bit but I also don't think they are idiots. I think they know more about their goals than we do. They seem to be doing just fine and in fact have up their game considerably. We just don't look very good when we claim to know everything, and what is best for everyone. Remember we were not very enthused by the SB either and were hoping for somewhere else.

You kinda went off into outer space on this one. The fact is they waited on a conference that ended up never calling. That decision to wait was a bad one, and was based on their own self assessment of the program. None of this is my opinion. It was a bad decision because they failed to achieve what they set out to do, move to FBS. This not only makes them unrealistic, it makes them poor decision makers too.

[CheckYosef94]

We are just so full of ourselves that if someone doesn't do what we do or what we want they are wrong. They chose to not join the Sun Belt so they are not realistic, they are too good for us and on and on. I actually don't like JMU even a little bit but I also don't think they are idiots. I think they know more about their goals than we do. They seem to be doing just fine and in fact have up their game considerably. We just don't look very good when we claim to know everything, and what is best for everyone. Remember we were not very enthused by the SB either and were hoping for somewhere else.

You kinda went off into outer space on this one. The fact is they waited on a conference that ended up never calling. That decision to wait was a bad one, and was based on their own self assessment of the program. None of this is my opinion. It was a bad decision because they failed to achieve what they set out to do, move to FBS. This not only makes them unrealistic, it makes them poor decision makers too.

As far as I know, we don't know all of JMU's reasons for declining a Sun Belt invite. We assume it's because they think their program is above the Sun Belt and that's why they were waiting for a CUSA invite. Could it be that they just see being in a conference with ODU and Marshall makes more sense geographically than being in a conference with TXST and ULM?

[yosef13]

We are just so full of ourselves that if someone doesn't do what we do or what we want they are wrong. They chose to not join the Sun Belt so they are not realistic, they are too good for us and on and on. I actually don't like JMU even a little bit but I also don't think they are idiots. I think they know more about their goals than we do. They seem to be doing just fine and in fact have up their game considerably. We just don't look very good when we claim to know everything, and what is best for everyone. Remember we were not very enthused by the SB either and were hoping for somewhere else.

You kinda went off into outer space on this one. The fact is they waited on a conference that ended up never calling. That decision to wait was a bad one, and was based on their own self assessment of the program. None of this is my opinion. It was a bad decision because they failed to achieve what they set out to do, move to FBS. This not only makes them unrealistic, it makes them poor decision makers too.

As far as I know, we don't know all of JMU's reasons for declining a Sun Belt invite. We assume it's because they think their program is above the Sun Belt and that's why they were waiting for a CUSA invite. Could it be that they just see being in a conference with ODU and Marshall makes more sense geographically than being in a conference with TXST and ULM?

Yes, App had the same thought process. We wanted CUSA over SB. However, I think JMU failed to see that the CUSA was not a reality, and the SB could prep them for opportunities to come. If a new conference is created with us and all the schools you mentioned, and I think it's only a matter of time, JMU will indeed finally get what they wanted, but they will still have to transition. App and GS will not. If all this happens, was it worth the wait for JMU, or should they have endured the growing pains and excessive travel with App and GS? Time will tell, but I like the path we have chosen.

[CheckYosef94]

As far as I know, we don't know all of JMU's reasons for declining a Sun Belt invite. We assume it's because they think their program is above the Sun Belt and that's why they were waiting for a CUSA invite. Could it be that they just see being in a conference with ODU and Marshall makes more sense geographically than being in a conference with TXST and ULM?

Yes, App had the same thought process. We wanted CUSA over SB. However, I think JMU failed to see that the CUSA was not a reality, and the SB could prep them for opportunities to come. If a new conference is created with us and all the schools you mentioned, and I think it's only a matter of time, JMU will indeed finally get what they wanted, but they will still have to transition. App and GS will not. If all this happens, was it worth the wait for JMU, or should they have endured the growing pains and excessive travel with App and GS? Time will tell, but I like the path we have chosen.

App made the decision to move up despite not being invited to CUSA and it sure seems like the right move...for us. This may not be the case for everyone. JMU's administration may have decided that the cost of moving up plus the cost of travel in the Sun Belt was not worth it. If, one day we get more geographical conferences then yes, I am sure that JMU would love to make the jump. But what if that doesn't happen? What if the conferences never realign geographically? If JMU had made the jump and never got the geographic conference they were hoping for it's possible that their financial situation suffers and in turn their whole athletic department would suffer. Just because the move was great for us, it doesn't mean the move would be great for JMU. I think we should focus on us instead of assuming that JMU made a mistake. Especially when we don't fully understand all of JMU's reasons. It's fine to want to be in a conference with them and hope they eventually make the jump, but I don't think we should assume they made a mistake staying fcs.

[yosef13]

As far as I know, we don't know all of JMU's reasons for declining a Sun Belt invite. We assume it's because they think their program is above the Sun Belt and that's why they were waiting for a CUSA invite. Could it be that they just see being in a conference with ODU and Marshall makes more sense geographically than being in a conference with TXST and ULM?

Yes, App had the same thought process. We wanted CUSA over SB. However, I think JMU failed to see that the CUSA was not a reality, and the SB could prep them for opportunities to come. If a new conference is created with us and all the schools you mentioned, and I think it's only a matter of time, JMU will indeed finally get what they wanted, but they will still have to transition. App and GS will not. If all this happens, was it worth the wait for JMU, or should they have endured the growing pains and excessive travel with App and GS? Time will tell, but I like the path we have chosen.

App made the decision to move up despite not being invited to CUSA and it sure seems like the right move...for us. This may not be the case for everyone. JMU's administration may have decided that the cost of moving up plus the cost of travel in the Sun Belt was not worth it. If, one day we get more geographical conferences then yes, I am sure that JMU would love to make the jump. But what if that doesn't happen? What if the conferences never realign geographically? If JMU had made the jump and never got the geographic conference they were hoping for it's possible that their financial situation suffers and in turn their whole athletic department would suffer. Just because the move was great for us, it doesn't mean the move would be great for JMU. I think we should focus on us instead of assuming that JMU made a mistake. Especially when we don't fully understand all of JMU's reasons. It's fine to want to be in a conference with them and hope they eventually make the jump, but I don't think we should assume they made a mistake staying fcs.

CUSA's footprint is Texas to WVA, basically the same as the SB minus Idaho and NMST, with both existing. I'm not sold that the finances between the SB and CUSA were the issue. Travel expenses may be more for the SB, but potential revenue via TV and bowl ties would likely offset. They want to move up, that much we know. Right now it appears their destiny is in the hands of a new conference being formed. Whenever you lose control of your own destiny, mistakes have been made.

[WataugaMan]

"I don't know that. I know a few JMU folks who are happy but I have no idea how the administration feels. The folks at the game last night looked pretty happy."

Yes, all 50 of them.

[CheckYosef94]

App made the decision to move up despite not being invited to CUSA and it sure seems like the right move...for us. This may not be the case for everyone. JMU's administration may have decided that the cost of moving up plus the cost of travel in the Sun Belt was not worth it. If, one day we get more geographical conferences then yes, I am sure that JMU would love to make the jump. But what if that doesn't happen? What if the conferences never realign geographically? If JMU had made the jump and never got the geographic conference they were hoping for it's possible that their financial situation suffers and in turn their whole athletic department would suffer. Just because the move was great for us, it doesn't mean the move would be great for JMU. I think we should focus on us instead of assuming that JMU made a mistake. Especially when we don't fully understand all of JMU's reasons. It's fine to want to be in a conference with them and hope they eventually make the jump, but I don't think we should assume they made a mistake staying fcs.

CUSA's footprint is Texas to WVA, basically the same as the SB minus Idaho and NMST, with both existing. I'm not sold that the finances between the SB and CUSA were the issue. Travel expenses may be more for the SB, but potential revenue via TV and bowl ties would likely offset. They want to move up, that much we know. Right now it appears their destiny is in the hands of a new conference being formed. Whenever you lose control of your own destiny, mistakes have been made.

CUSA has more teams that align with JMU geographically than the Sun Belt does. ODU, Marshall, WKU, Charlotte, etc. The Sun Belt has App and Coastal who isn't even a football member yet. Obviously to JMU's administration the potential revenue via TV and bowl ties was not enough to convince them to make the jump. It shouldn't concern us whether or not they lost control of their destiny.