But that BIG 10 is so much worse than that conference and TCUs resume was so much better than Ohio States resume..

My point was for TCU not the Big XII. My point was TCU was not penalized for playing in a soft conference when they ascended to being the 3rd ranked team. They won the last game on their schedule quite handily and were then punished for not having a CCG.Goapps15 wrote:All the Big 12 supporters can hush now. Conference will very likely go 1-6 in bowl games.
But that BIG 10 is so much worse than that conference and TCUs resume was so much better than Ohio States resume..
Oops.hapapp wrote:No so fast my friend! Looks like Michigan State made sure that Baylor couldn't join TCU in making the selection committee look bad. Michigan State and Wisconsin upheld the honor of the Big 10 today. Of course, the real test comes later today as an Ohio State team that has never beaten Alabama must try and prove its worth to a doubting audience.EastHallApp wrote:Well, to get back to the original point, it was definitely a huge statement win by TCU, and now it looks like Baylor is doing the same. Will be fascinating to see how the playoff games go tonight.
Hey, one good premature call deserves another. It's like Election Night 2000 in here.hapapp wrote:Ohio State isn't making much of case for their inclusion in the final four.
Edit: Well, that didn't take long.
How true!EastHallApp wrote:Hey, one good premature call deserves another. It's like Election Night 2000 in here.hapapp wrote:Ohio State isn't making much of case for their inclusion in the final four.
Edit: Well, that didn't take long.
I disagree with th " FSU getting exposed comment". FSU was very dominant last year. They lost a ton of talent along with all of their primary receivers from. 2013. They were not as good this year but found a way to win which is what good teams do. They had a bad game against a very good team. Kudos to OSU beating Alalbam last night but I still contend that they should not have gotten the chance to do so. TCU was robbed for ratings.bigdaddyg wrote:commentators last night noted that OSU has a dominant DLine and SEC comparable speed. Urban knew (knows) what is needed to beat the big boys in the SEC. FSU finally got exposed. I still think that they deserved a spot- defending champs and undefeated in the regular season. The only other team that really has an argument is probably TCU. That being said, an 8 team field is probably too much. A six team field with the top 2 receiving byes might be interesting but of course that is tough with the bowl system. It would be interesting to look back over the past 10-20 seasons and project 4 or even 8 team playoffs. I would imagine that 8 team formats would show relatively weak teams in the bottom of the bracket and 4 team formats would equate to interesting matchups. Should be a good championship game.
Did you happen to also see Michigan State beating Big XII co-champs Baylor, or Wisconsin beating Auburn? Only the most devoted OSU/B1G haters could still cling to this narrative.AppSt94 wrote:I disagree with th " FSU getting exposed comment". FSU was very dominant last year. They lost a ton of talent along with all of their primary receivers from. 2013. They were not as good this year but found a way to win which is what good teams do. They had a bad game against a very good team. Kudos to OSU beating Alalbam last night but I still contend that they should not have gotten the chance to do so. TCU was robbed for ratings.bigdaddyg wrote:commentators last night noted that OSU has a dominant DLine and SEC comparable speed. Urban knew (knows) what is needed to beat the big boys in the SEC. FSU finally got exposed. I still think that they deserved a spot- defending champs and undefeated in the regular season. The only other team that really has an argument is probably TCU. That being said, an 8 team field is probably too much. A six team field with the top 2 receiving byes might be interesting but of course that is tough with the bowl system. It would be interesting to look back over the past 10-20 seasons and project 4 or even 8 team playoffs. I would imagine that 8 team formats would show relatively weak teams in the bottom of the bracket and 4 team formats would equate to interesting matchups. Should be a good championship game.
FSU was very dominant last year? Really? They had to rally to win nearly every game. I agree that they found a way to win every game. They certainly deserve credit for that but they were absolutely exposed. Oregon was far and away the best team FSU faced this year. Oregon has superior talent at the skill positions and a better QB. FSU was able to play like dooky for parts of many games this year and find a way to come back. That weren't no way they were going to turn the ball over against Oregon and come back. I believe Oregon sweeps FSU in a best 4 out of 7. FSU will be strong next year no doubt but this year, not enough.AppSt94 wrote:I disagree with th " FSU getting exposed comment". FSU was very dominant last year. They lost a ton of talent along with all of their primary receivers from. 2013. They were not as good this year but found a way to win which is what good teams do. They had a bad game against a very good team. Kudos to OSU beating Alalbam last night but I still contend that they should not have gotten the chance to do so. TCU was robbed for ratings.bigdaddyg wrote:commentators last night noted that OSU has a dominant DLine and SEC comparable speed. Urban knew (knows) what is needed to beat the big boys in the SEC. FSU finally got exposed. I still think that they deserved a spot- defending champs and undefeated in the regular season. The only other team that really has an argument is probably TCU. That being said, an 8 team field is probably too much. A six team field with the top 2 receiving byes might be interesting but of course that is tough with the bowl system. It would be interesting to look back over the past 10-20 seasons and project 4 or even 8 team playoffs. I would imagine that 8 team formats would show relatively weak teams in the bottom of the bracket and 4 team formats would equate to interesting matchups. Should be a good championship game.
Go back and look at FSU's 2013 schedule. Their closest margin of victory was 14 over BC.bigdaddyg wrote:FSU was very dominant last year? Really? They had to rally to win nearly every game. I agree that they found a way to win every game. They certainly deserve credit for that but they were absolutely exposed. Oregon was far and away the best team FSU faced this year. Oregon has superior talent at the skill positions and a better QB. FSU was able to play like dooky for parts of many games this year and find a way to come back. That weren't no way they were going to turn the ball over against Oregon and come back. I believe Oregon sweeps FSU in a best 4 out of 7. FSU will be strong next year no doubt but this year, not enough.AppSt94 wrote:I disagree with th " FSU getting exposed comment". FSU was very dominant last year. They lost a ton of talent along with all of their primary receivers from. 2013. They were not as good this year but found a way to win which is what good teams do. They had a bad game against a very good team. Kudos to OSU beating Alalbam last night but I still contend that they should not have gotten the chance to do so. TCU was robbed for ratings.bigdaddyg wrote:commentators last night noted that OSU has a dominant DLine and SEC comparable speed. Urban knew (knows) what is needed to beat the big boys in the SEC. FSU finally got exposed. I still think that they deserved a spot- defending champs and undefeated in the regular season. The only other team that really has an argument is probably TCU. That being said, an 8 team field is probably too much. A six team field with the top 2 receiving byes might be interesting but of course that is tough with the bowl system. It would be interesting to look back over the past 10-20 seasons and project 4 or even 8 team playoffs. I would imagine that 8 team formats would show relatively weak teams in the bottom of the bracket and 4 team formats would equate to interesting matchups. Should be a good championship game.
Why is there no credible argument that OSU isn't deserving? Because OSU beat Alabama? There were 6 deserving teams and all four going into the last week all won but TCU got booted. TCU's lone loss was to a Top 5 team and OSU lost at HOME to a mediocre Va Tech. I don't see how looking at what Mich St and Wisconsin did in their bowl justifies your point but since you think that it does, did you see what TCU did to Ole Miss? We will have to agree to disagree. I am not a B1G hater, I just don't think that a team that has done what they needed to do to put themselves in a position to make the playoff should be punished for winning.EastHallApp wrote:Did you happen to also see Michigan State beating Big XII co-champs Baylor, or Wisconsin beating Auburn? Only the most devoted OSU/B1G haters could still cling to this narrative.AppSt94 wrote:I disagree with th " FSU getting exposed comment". FSU was very dominant last year. They lost a ton of talent along with all of their primary receivers from. 2013. They were not as good this year but found a way to win which is what good teams do. They had a bad game against a very good team. Kudos to OSU beating Alalbam last night but I still contend that they should not have gotten the chance to do so. TCU was robbed for ratings.bigdaddyg wrote:commentators last night noted that OSU has a dominant DLine and SEC comparable speed. Urban knew (knows) what is needed to beat the big boys in the SEC. FSU finally got exposed. I still think that they deserved a spot- defending champs and undefeated in the regular season. The only other team that really has an argument is probably TCU. That being said, an 8 team field is probably too much. A six team field with the top 2 receiving byes might be interesting but of course that is tough with the bowl system. It would be interesting to look back over the past 10-20 seasons and project 4 or even 8 team playoffs. I would imagine that 8 team formats would show relatively weak teams in the bottom of the bracket and 4 team formats would equate to interesting matchups. Should be a good championship game.
TCU wasn't "robbed." There were six deserving teams for a four-team field. It sucks that they got left out, but there is no longer any credible argument that OSU wasn't deserving.
Perfect example of this was the story ESPN did about Nike. Two years ago when the CFP was announced, Nike began desigining special playoff uniforms. What four schools did they pick 24 months ago? Florida State, Alabama, Oregon and Ohio State. The Nike folks had no plan B. The guy responsible for the designes said they didn't even discuss TCU or Baylor until midway through this season.bcoach wrote:Well again this happened because there is not a real playoff. There is a 4 team invitational tournament. You don't earn your way into this tournament you are invited and TCU was just not invited.
Ohio State had the worst loss, by far, of any of the teams in consideration. They had no win that was any better than any of the other teams. TCU was penalized because of who they were, not because of anything they did. Ohio State was not deserving of their invitation. Nothing they do after getting there changes that. The name on the uniform will always be more important than the product on the field.EastHallApp wrote:Did you happen to also see Michigan State beating Big XII co-champs Baylor, or Wisconsin beating Auburn? Only the most devoted OSU/B1G haters could still cling to this narrative.AppSt94 wrote:I disagree with th " FSU getting exposed comment". FSU was very dominant last year. They lost a ton of talent along with all of their primary receivers from. 2013. They were not as good this year but found a way to win which is what good teams do. They had a bad game against a very good team. Kudos to OSU beating Alalbam last night but I still contend that they should not have gotten the chance to do so. TCU was robbed for ratings.bigdaddyg wrote:commentators last night noted that OSU has a dominant DLine and SEC comparable speed. Urban knew (knows) what is needed to beat the big boys in the SEC. FSU finally got exposed. I still think that they deserved a spot- defending champs and undefeated in the regular season. The only other team that really has an argument is probably TCU. That being said, an 8 team field is probably too much. A six team field with the top 2 receiving byes might be interesting but of course that is tough with the bowl system. It would be interesting to look back over the past 10-20 seasons and project 4 or even 8 team playoffs. I would imagine that 8 team formats would show relatively weak teams in the bottom of the bracket and 4 team formats would equate to interesting matchups. Should be a good championship game.
TCU wasn't "robbed." There were six deserving teams for a four-team field. It sucks that they got left out, but there is no longer any credible argument that OSU wasn't deserving.
Michigan State was better than anyone TCU beat, without question, and OSU beat them convincingly on the road.appst89 wrote:Ohio State had the worst loss, by far, of any of the teams in consideration. They had no win that was any better than any of the other teams. TCU was penalized because of who they were, not because of anything they did. Ohio State was not deserving of their invitation. Nothing they do after getting there changes that. The name on the uniform will always be more important than the product on the field.EastHallApp wrote:Did you happen to also see Michigan State beating Big XII co-champs Baylor, or Wisconsin beating Auburn? Only the most devoted OSU/B1G haters could still cling to this narrative.AppSt94 wrote:I disagree with th " FSU getting exposed comment". FSU was very dominant last year. They lost a ton of talent along with all of their primary receivers from. 2013. They were not as good this year but found a way to win which is what good teams do. They had a bad game against a very good team. Kudos to OSU beating Alalbam last night but I still contend that they should not have gotten the chance to do so. TCU was robbed for ratings.bigdaddyg wrote:commentators last night noted that OSU has a dominant DLine and SEC comparable speed. Urban knew (knows) what is needed to beat the big boys in the SEC. FSU finally got exposed. I still think that they deserved a spot- defending champs and undefeated in the regular season. The only other team that really has an argument is probably TCU. That being said, an 8 team field is probably too much. A six team field with the top 2 receiving byes might be interesting but of course that is tough with the bowl system. It would be interesting to look back over the past 10-20 seasons and project 4 or even 8 team playoffs. I would imagine that 8 team formats would show relatively weak teams in the bottom of the bracket and 4 team formats would equate to interesting matchups. Should be a good championship game.
TCU wasn't "robbed." There were six deserving teams for a four-team field. It sucks that they got left out, but there is no longer any credible argument that OSU wasn't deserving.
Let me clarify. By "deserving," I don't necessarily mean in direct relation to TCU, though obviously that is ultimately the decision that was made (along with Baylor). I mean that, whatever your personal opinion, Ohio State was obviously a credible choice for the playoff. As would TCU or Baylor have been. Nobody got robbed, regardless of whatever tinfoil hat theories someone writes about Nike uniform designs.AppSt94 wrote:Why is there no credible argument that OSU isn't deserving? Because OSU beat Alabama? There were 6 deserving teams and all four going into the last week all won but TCU got booted. TCU's lone loss was to a Top 5 team and OSU lost at HOME to a mediocre Va Tech. I don't see how looking at what Mich St and Wisconsin did in their bowl justifies your point but since you think that it does, did you see what TCU did to Ole Miss? We will have to agree to disagree. I am not a B1G hater, I just don't think that a team that has done what they needed to do to put themselves in a position to make the playoff should be punished for winning.EastHallApp wrote:Did you happen to also see Michigan State beating Big XII co-champs Baylor, or Wisconsin beating Auburn? Only the most devoted OSU/B1G haters could still cling to this narrative.AppSt94 wrote:I disagree with th " FSU getting exposed comment". FSU was very dominant last year. They lost a ton of talent along with all of their primary receivers from. 2013. They were not as good this year but found a way to win which is what good teams do. They had a bad game against a very good team. Kudos to OSU beating Alalbam last night but I still contend that they should not have gotten the chance to do so. TCU was robbed for ratings.bigdaddyg wrote:commentators last night noted that OSU has a dominant DLine and SEC comparable speed. Urban knew (knows) what is needed to beat the big boys in the SEC. FSU finally got exposed. I still think that they deserved a spot- defending champs and undefeated in the regular season. The only other team that really has an argument is probably TCU. That being said, an 8 team field is probably too much. A six team field with the top 2 receiving byes might be interesting but of course that is tough with the bowl system. It would be interesting to look back over the past 10-20 seasons and project 4 or even 8 team playoffs. I would imagine that 8 team formats would show relatively weak teams in the bottom of the bracket and 4 team formats would equate to interesting matchups. Should be a good championship game.
TCU wasn't "robbed." There were six deserving teams for a four-team field. It sucks that they got left out, but there is no longer any credible argument that OSU wasn't deserving.
The wins are debatable. The loss isn't. They didn't do enough to jump from 6 to 3/when no one in front of them lost. It was all about who and not what.EastHallApp wrote:Michigan State was better than anyone TCU beat, without question, and OSU beat them convincingly on the road.appst89 wrote:Ohio State had the worst loss, by far, of any of the teams in consideration. They had no win that was any better than any of the other teams. TCU was penalized because of who they were, not because of anything they did. Ohio State was not deserving of their invitation. Nothing they do after getting there changes that. The name on the uniform will always be more important than the product on the field.EastHallApp wrote:Did you happen to also see Michigan State beating Big XII co-champs Baylor, or Wisconsin beating Auburn? Only the most devoted OSU/B1G haters could still cling to this narrative.AppSt94 wrote:I disagree with th " FSU getting exposed comment". FSU was very dominant last year. They lost a ton of talent along with all of their primary receivers from. 2013. They were not as good this year but found a way to win which is what good teams do. They had a bad game against a very good team. Kudos to OSU beating Alalbam last night but I still contend that they should not have gotten the chance to do so. TCU was robbed for ratings.bigdaddyg wrote:commentators last night noted that OSU has a dominant DLine and SEC comparable speed. Urban knew (knows) what is needed to beat the big boys in the SEC. FSU finally got exposed. I still think that they deserved a spot- defending champs and undefeated in the regular season. The only other team that really has an argument is probably TCU. That being said, an 8 team field is probably too much. A six team field with the top 2 receiving byes might be interesting but of course that is tough with the bowl system. It would be interesting to look back over the past 10-20 seasons and project 4 or even 8 team playoffs. I would imagine that 8 team formats would show relatively weak teams in the bottom of the bracket and 4 team formats would equate to interesting matchups. Should be a good championship game.
TCU wasn't "robbed." There were six deserving teams for a four-team field. It sucks that they got left out, but there is no longer any credible argument that OSU wasn't deserving.
Wisconsin was as good as anyone TCU beat, and OSU beat them 59-0.
I don’t see how TCU could have been ahead of Baylor since Baylor won their head-to-head matchup and thus, won their conference. Conference winners were intended to be important to the committee. Ohio State, TCU and Baylor all had strong teams. Ohio State had better wins. TCU was the only team of the 3 that did not have a shaky loss but didn’t win their weak conference either. IMO, Ohio St was deserving of its selection. Baylor and TCU both would have been understandable choices for the last spot as well. The only ridiculous statement is that Ohio State was not deserving. Keep on with your conspiracy theories.appst89 wrote:Ohio State had the worst loss, by far, of any of the teams in consideration. They had no win that was any better than any of the other teams. TCU was penalized because of who they were, not because of anything they did. Ohio State was not deserving of their invitation. Nothing they do after getting there changes that. The name on the uniform will always be more important than the product on the field.