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The NCAA suspended University of Louisville basketball coach Rick Pitino for the first five Atlantic Coast Conference games next season following an investigation into the program's basketball escorts case.

Pitino's suspension is just one penalty levied against the program, which was put on probation. Former staffer Andre McGee was hit with a 10-year show cause penalty after the NCAA said Pitino failed to monitor McGee, a former director of basketball operations at Louisville.

The NCAA investigated the program after a woman alleged that McGee hired strippers for sex parties with players and recruits and subsequently charged the school with four Level 1 violations including one against Pitino.

The penalties handed down Thursday include four years of probation for the university, men’s basketball scholarship reductions and recruiting restrictions and a fine of $5,000. Louisville also received a public reprimand and censure.

Louisville, who won the 2013 NCAA men's basketball title, will also vacate basketball records in which players competed while ineligible from December 2010 and July 2014. They have 45 days to submit a report to the NCAA concerning the games impacted.

A former Louisville director of basketball operations acted unethically when he committed serious violations by arranging striptease dances and sex acts for prospects, student-athletes and others, and did not cooperate with the investigation, according to a Division I Committee on Infractions panel. The head men’s basketball coach violated NCAA head coach responsibility rules when he did not monitor the activities of his former operations director.

Penalties prescribed by the panel include four years of probation for the university; a suspension from the first five Atlantic Coast Conference games of the 2017-18 season for the head coach; a 10-year show-cause order for the former operations director; a one-year show-cause order for a former program assistant; a vacation of basketball records in which student-athletes competed while ineligible from December 2010 and July 2014; men’s basketball scholarship reductions and recruiting restrictions; a fine of $5,000, plus the university must return money received through conference revenue sharing for its appearances in the 2012 to 2015 NCAA Division I Men’s Basketball Championships. The panel also accepted the university’s self-imposed 2015-16 postseason ban.

The former operations director was integral to on-campus recruiting and regularly interacted with visiting prospects. The head coach hired him and placed him in Minardi Hall, a dorm where the basketball team lived, to make sure it was run properly and watch for any potential NCAA violations. By his own admission, the head coach and his assistants did not interact with prospects from 10 p.m. until the next morning. The panel noted that the head coach essentially placed a peer of the student-athletes in a position of authority over them and visiting prospects, and assumed that all would behave appropriately in an environment that was, for all practical purposes, a basketball dorm.

This arrangement played a role in creating a location where the former operations director’s activities went undetected. The operations director arranged adult entertainment and/or sex acts for 15 prospects, three enrolled student-athletes, a friend visiting with one of the prospects and two nonscholastic coaches. At least seven, and perhaps as many as 10, of the 15 prospects were under the age of 18 at the time. None of the prospects visiting campus knew that the activities would occur and none of them expected the activities to occur on their visits. Some of them expressed surprise and discomfort at what transpired. The panel noted it has not previously encountered a case like this, and that the violations were severe and were intended to provide a substantial recruiting advantage for the university.
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Re: Louisville Sex Scandal

Unread post by AppinVA » Thu Jun 15, 2017 6:18 pm

Meanwhile in Chapel Hill...
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Unread post by ASUchipman » Thu Jun 15, 2017 8:34 pm

Let he who has not provided hookers to recruits cast the first stone.

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Re: Louisville Sex Scandal

Unread post by appfanjj » Thu Jun 15, 2017 9:14 pm

2 questions. Does this mean they will have to vacate their 2013 national championship and are the charges against UNC even more punishable than these?

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Re: Louisville Sex Scandal

Unread post by NoLongerLurking » Thu Jun 15, 2017 9:47 pm

Once you add the word "sex" to anything, you're gonna get more clicks. Anyway, definitely not why I'm here commenting. I have something meaningful to say. Hold on a minute my dogs are barking.....

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Unread post by CheckYosef94 » Fri Jun 16, 2017 12:28 am

appfanjj wrote:2 questions. Does this mean they will have to vacate their 2013 national championship and are the charges against UNC even more punishable than these?
Yes, they have to vacate their NC. As for UNC, I don't know if one is more punishable than the other. What Louisville has done is bad, there is no way to overlook that. However, (as far as I understand) Louisville is limited to just the basketball team. UNC, on the other hand is looking at decades of university wide academic fraud. UNC didn't limit themselves to just helping the basketball team, the football team, or the chess club. Anyone at UNC was able to take these fake classes. As far as university scandals go I think UNC is in much deeper than Louisville. I'm not trying to argue which is worse, a sex scandal or academic fraud. I'm simply looking at how deep the scandals go and which parts of the universities played a role.
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Re: Louisville Sex Scandal

Unread post by mikeyosef » Fri Jun 16, 2017 6:39 am

CheckYosef94 wrote:
appfanjj wrote:2 questions. Does this mean they will have to vacate their 2013 national championship and are the charges against UNC even more punishable than these?
Yes, they have to vacate their NC. As for UNC, I don't know if one is more punishable than the other. What Louisville has done is bad, there is no way to overlook that. However, (as far as I understand) Louisville is limited to just the basketball team. UNC, on the other hand is looking at decades of university wide academic fraud. UNC didn't limit themselves to just helping the basketball team, the football team, or the chess club. Anyone at UNC was able to take these fake classes. As far as university scandals go I think UNC is in much deeper than Louisville. I'm not trying to argue which is worse, a sex scandal or academic fraud. I'm simply looking at how deep the scandals go and which parts of the universities played a role.
You hit the nail on the head; these sham classes were open to everyone, not just athletes. i believe the NCAA will eventually pass some judgement on UNC but wouldn't be surprised if it's less than many on this board believe they deserve and more than UNC believes is fair; in fact I'd bet on that. While so many focus on what will happen to UNC's athletic programs, trust me, the hit to the school's national standing is much more damaged by the probation they received from Southern Association of Colleges and Schools Commission on Colleges. That was a massive beatdown and a major embarrassment for the entire UNC system.

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Re: Louisville Sex Scandal

Unread post by appst89 » Fri Jun 16, 2017 7:26 am

The folks at Louisville are lucky they're not going to jail. A high school basketball coach in Indiana got 24 years in prison just for sending inappropriate texts to female students at his school. Louisville was running a brothel for high school kids on visits. A five game suspension for the coach and a few vacated wins seems like a win for Louisville.

I realize the NCAA doesn't have law enforcement authority, but the fact that we haven't heard of a DA looking into this is pretty shocking to me.

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Unread post by NewApp » Fri Jun 16, 2017 1:52 pm

mikeyosef wrote:
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appfanjj wrote:2 questions. Does this mean they will have to vacate their 2013 national championship and are the charges against UNC even more punishable than these?
Yes, they have to vacate their NC. As for UNC, I don't know if one is more punishable than the other. What Louisville has done is bad, there is no way to overlook that. However, (as far as I understand) Louisville is limited to just the basketball team. UNC, on the other hand is looking at decades of university wide academic fraud. UNC didn't limit themselves to just helping the basketball team, the football team, or the chess club. Anyone at UNC was able to take these fake classes. As far as university scandals go I think UNC is in much deeper than Louisville. I'm not trying to argue which is worse, a sex scandal or academic fraud. I'm simply looking at how deep the scandals go and which parts of the universities played a role.
You hit the nail on the head; these sham classes were open to everyone, not just athletes. i believe the NCAA will eventually pass some judgement on UNC but wouldn't be surprised if it's less than many on this board believe they deserve and more than UNC believes is fair; in fact I'd bet on that. While so many focus on what will happen to UNC's athletic programs, trust me, the hit to the school's national standing is much more damaged by the probation they received from Southern Association of Colleges and Schools Commission on Colleges.That was a massive beatdown and a major embarrassment for the entire UNC system.
SACS lifted the probation after a short while and it was, as you say, probation, not ceasing their membership. To me, that was not severe enough.
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Unread post by brocktune90 » Mon Jun 19, 2017 1:42 pm

In regards to SACS accreditation, it is not the role of the six regional accreditation agencies to punish its member schools. SACS evaluates how schools meet the stated standards. Probation was appropriate because UNC-CH did not meet the standards set by SACS. As soon as those items are brought up to standard, the probation should be removed.

When a school loses its regional accreditation, they are no longer allowed to receive any form of federal funding including grants and student aid. When this occurs, the school will almost always appeal. If that appeal fails, then the school will seek to find another accreditor that is less strict on the standard in question. If they are unable to find an accreditor, then they cease being a school.

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brocktune90 wrote:In regards to SACS accreditation, it is not the role of the six regional accreditation agencies to punish its member schools. SACS evaluates how schools meet the stated standards. Probation was appropriate because UNC-CH did not meet the standards set by SACS. As soon as those items are brought up to standard, the probation should be removed.

When a school loses its regional accreditation, they are no longer allowed to receive any form of federal funding including grants and student aid. When this occurs, the school will almost always appeal. If that appeal fails, then the school will seek to find another accreditor that is less strict on the standard in question. If they are unable to find an accreditor, then they cease being a school.
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Knowing accreditation and how it works, you still feel that UNC-CH should have lost their SACS accreditation without being given time to address the areas that did not meet standard?

In what area of accreditation were you consulting? Was it for the school or the agency?

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Re: Louisville Sex Scandal

Unread post by asu66 » Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:49 pm

Louisville knew what they were getting when they hired Pitino. He has a checkered past with martial infidelity everywhere he's ever coached. He's put his wife through H*** since their mid-70s wedding. She's stayed with him, in part, because they have several children together and because she's faced terrible family hardship well beyond her control.

Pitino and Louisville richly deserve every penalty "bestowed" upon them. And they're getting off light, IMHO. But that's just me. His program, his players, his staff and his recruits. There's no way I believe he's naive and blind to what goes on in his own little world.
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brocktune90 wrote:Knowing accreditation and how it works, you still feel that UNC-CH should have lost their SACS accreditation without being given time to address the areas that did not meet standard?

In what area of accreditation were you consulting? Was it for the school or the agency?


No, I didn't mean that extreme, but I do think it should have been harder and take longer for them to get off probation and back to "full" status. This thing was far more serious and pervasive than almost any of the Chapel Hill people and supporters are willing to admit.
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Unread post by brocktune90 » Mon Jun 19, 2017 6:02 pm

"I do think it should have been harder and take longer for them to get off probation..." If they meet standard, they are off probation.

To bring the story back to the original post, here is what SACS identifies with Louisville in what led to their probation http://www.sacscoc.org/2016decActionsan ... %20PLD.pdf.

The University of Louisville was continued in accreditation and placed on Probation because SACSCOC’s Board of Trustees determined
that it had failed to demonstrate compliance with Core Requirement 2.2 (Governing board), Comprehensive Standard
3.2.1 (CEO evaluation/selection), Comprehensive Standard 3.2.4 (External influence), and Comprehensive Standard
3.2.5 (Board dismissal) of the Principles of Accreditation. The cited standards expect an accredited institution to provide
evidence that it has a governing board that (1) is the legal body with specific authority over the institution, (2) is
responsible for selection and evaluation of the chief executive officer, (3) is free from undue influence, and (4) has a policy
whereby members can be dismissed only for appropriate reasons and by a fair process. (To read the full statements for
the standards cited above, access the Principles of Accreditation at http://www.sacscoc.org/principles.asp.)

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Re: Louisville Sex Scandal

Unread post by bcoach » Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:52 pm

Gee Paterno didn't know, Roy didn't know, Pitino didn't know and on and on. The NCAA is a big joke, a very big, very bad joke. To pretend there are any secrets in a department is ridiculous.

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