Re: Matt McMahon
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2018 9:58 am
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Maybe next year turn the corner? You do realize we just finished in 5th place in a 12 team Conference where we have been the cellar-dweller for years. We also had more Conference wins this year than the last 2 combined.Stonewall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 04, 2018 8:57 amCongratulations to Matt. I remember the first time he hit the floor , as a player .Overachiever and that continues . As to the SoCon , I see four teams that would beat us soundly outside of an "in the zone"shooting night. Good players , well coached,little depth. WCU got blown out last night and we've lost two in a row to them as everyone is well aware. I don't think we would fair too well against the top two or three of the Big South although they are a step below UNCG,ETSU,FU and Wofford. Maybe next year we turn the corner....
I now pretty much agree with this after seeing every socon tourney game yesterday, just based on our style of play and energy. However, these teams always look better and more energized during tournament play...they know its make or break time and they feed off of the tournament excitement and crowd. We did this as well in the socon when I watched a couple of times during the capel era...his second to last year we led Davidson most of game and knocked off charelston the year before. My only observations of App the last few years have been in Boone with a dismal unenergeric crowd and in cullowhee this year. Also, I will say that the socon tournament energy and atmosphere appears superior to the sun belt tournament, probably because of the many schools/alums driving proximity and its all on a weekend. The ETSU crowd was vocal and they came out in droves to Asheville.Stonewall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 04, 2018 8:57 amCongratulations to Matt. I remember the first time he hit the floor , as a player .Overachiever and that continues . As to the SoCon , I see four teams that would beat us soundly outside of an "in the zone"shooting night. Good players , well coached,little depth. WCU got blown out last night and we've lost two in a row to them as everyone is well aware. I don't think we would fair too well against the top two or three of the Big South although they are a step below UNCG,ETSU,FU and Wofford. Maybe next year we turn the corner....
Think that depends on whether we see continued improvement next year. 9-9 in conference is real progress. 12-17 overall vs. D1 is... well, it kind of speaks for itself.AppDawg wrote: ↑Sun Mar 04, 2018 10:04 amMaybe next year turn the corner? You do realize we just finished in 5th place in a 12 team Conference where we have been the cellar-dweller for years. We also had more Conference wins this year than the last 2 combined.Stonewall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 04, 2018 8:57 amCongratulations to Matt. I remember the first time he hit the floor , as a player .Overachiever and that continues . As to the SoCon , I see four teams that would beat us soundly outside of an "in the zone"shooting night. Good players , well coached,little depth. WCU got blown out last night and we've lost two in a row to them as everyone is well aware. I don't think we would fair too well against the top two or three of the Big South although they are a step below UNCG,ETSU,FU and Wofford. Maybe next year we turn the corner....
Still a big leap needed to get to where we all want to be, but from where this program has been - I’d say that the ‘17/‘18 season has been “turning the corner.”
I’ve watched less ten non-App basketball games this year, but maybe the OVC is weaker if their five loss team gets a 12 seed.
That’s also where ULL projects should they win the Sun Belt tourney.Saint3333 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 04, 2018 2:04 pmI’ve watched less ten non-App basketball games this year, but maybe the OVC is weaker if their five loss team gets a 12 seed.
The 12 line is where the commitee puts all the good G5/midmajors that should be rated higher except for the bias inherent in the system that fills the 7-10 lines mediocre P5s. That's why 12 seed win a majority of their matchups.EastHallApp wrote: ↑Sun Mar 04, 2018 2:59 pmThat’s also where ULL projects should they win the Sun Belt tourney.Saint3333 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 04, 2018 2:04 pmI’ve watched less ten non-App basketball games this year, but maybe the OVC is weaker if their five loss team gets a 12 seed.
For comparison, the 30 win Little Rock team that beat Purdue a couple years ago was a 12 seed.
Definitely agree with overall record. Though I have seen improvements since those “bad” early season losses.EastHallApp wrote: ↑Sun Mar 04, 2018 1:25 pmThink that depends on whether we see continued improvement next year. 9-9 in conference is real progress. 12-17 overall vs. D1 is... well, it kind of speaks for itself.AppDawg wrote: ↑Sun Mar 04, 2018 10:04 amMaybe next year turn the corner? You do realize we just finished in 5th place in a 12 team Conference where we have been the cellar-dweller for years. We also had more Conference wins this year than the last 2 combined.Stonewall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 04, 2018 8:57 amCongratulations to Matt. I remember the first time he hit the floor , as a player .Overachiever and that continues . As to the SoCon , I see four teams that would beat us soundly outside of an "in the zone"shooting night. Good players , well coached,little depth. WCU got blown out last night and we've lost two in a row to them as everyone is well aware. I don't think we would fair too well against the top two or three of the Big South although they are a step below UNCG,ETSU,FU and Wofford. Maybe next year we turn the corner....
Still a big leap needed to get to where we all want to be, but from where this program has been - I’d say that the ‘17/‘18 season has been “turning the corner.”
Question is, do we take that next step to become a real contender next year?
Of course we could always just win the SBC tourney this week too...
It's true that 12 is around the cutoff for the top auto bid teams. However it's less an inherent bias as the fact that teams at that line don't rank as high either in RPI (which does have a power-conference bias) or efficiency ratings (which do not).AppfaninCAALand wrote: ↑Sun Mar 04, 2018 4:02 pmThe 12 line is where the commitee puts all the good G5/midmajors that should be rated higher except for the bias inherent in the system that fills the 7-10 lines mediocre P5s. That's why 12 seed win a majority of their matchups.EastHallApp wrote: ↑Sun Mar 04, 2018 2:59 pmThat’s also where ULL projects should they win the Sun Belt tourney.Saint3333 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 04, 2018 2:04 pmI’ve watched less ten non-App basketball games this year, but maybe the OVC is weaker if their five loss team gets a 12 seed.
For comparison, the 30 win Little Rock team that beat Purdue a couple years ago was a 12 seed.
Yes , I "realize " all of the above. I also watched this team give away half a dozen games. Give away. There appear to be 3 or 4 decent teams in our 12 team conference. We are mediocre .Hey I'm thankful we didn't finish worse.Good coaches have turned programs around in 3 years ,even at Appalachian .We are ending year 4 . I hope we win out in New Orleans. If not it will take a top 4 finish ,not repeating the same game costing mistakes repeatedly and beating teams like Western Carolina next year before I sign up with the "we've turned it around " crowd.AppDawg wrote: ↑Sun Mar 04, 2018 10:04 amMaybe next year turn the corner? You do realize we just finished in 5th place in a 12 team Conference where we have been the cellar-dweller for years. We also had more Conference wins this year than the last 2 combined.Stonewall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 04, 2018 8:57 amCongratulations to Matt. I remember the first time he hit the floor , as a player .Overachiever and that continues . As to the SoCon , I see four teams that would beat us soundly outside of an "in the zone"shooting night. Good players , well coached,little depth. WCU got blown out last night and we've lost two in a row to them as everyone is well aware. I don't think we would fair too well against the top two or three of the Big South although they are a step below UNCG,ETSU,FU and Wofford. Maybe next year we turn the corner....
Still a big leap needed to get to where we all want to be, but from where this program has been - I’d say that the ‘17/‘18 season has been “turning the corner.”
Hunter is a fine gentleman and a fine coach...excellent Xs and Os coach...his players are always good in the classroom and in citizenship. Hunter is in the top 10 in total wins among active NCAA coaches...over the career 700 win mark his earlier this season. The kitty cats can only dream of getting another coach of his caliber.
Why would he want to go there? Honest question. Does WCU have that much more of a budget to pay him? Also, he played at UNCA. Would seem strange for him to leave his alma mater and make a lateral move down I-40.