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It will be more than some.Bigdaddyg1 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 8:55 amAgree. I envision that some schools will simply drop some of these sports entirely.
The Ivy League would survive without them.
The Ivy League isn't hurting for money.Bigdaddyg1 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 8:55 amAgree. I envision that some schools will simply drop some of these sports entirely.
The Ivy League would survive without them.
But we can hope that some day they will be….Yosef84 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 12:48 pmThe Ivy League isn't hurting for money.Bigdaddyg1 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 8:55 amAgree. I envision that some schools will simply drop some of these sports entirely.
The Ivy League would survive without them.
It will be interesting to see if this holds up. Northwestern’s attempt was overturned. Also how it would translate to a public university that offers free and or discounted tuition to its employees.t4pizza wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 1:33 pmThe ironic part about it being a bunch of Dartmouth players is that the school doesn't even make any money on athletics at all so it's not like the players are sitting back and watching the school make money off their efforts. The school (and all Ivys) literally only field teams out of a belief of a well rounded school with activities for all. While these players don't get any scholarships, they do benefit from significantly easier admission standards as well as generous grants in many cases. Not to mention the incredible job opportunities that await alums, especially former athlete alums. That being said, I guess if they feel like it is a job, maybe they should fight to be treated that way.
It would not directly translate to public universities other than signifying yet another shift away from traditional models of amateurism and being used as a persuasive argument in future litigation. I will be very surprised if Dartmouth loses the appeal to the board, but if it does it will be just another indication that sentiment has changed. While I think most can agree that student athletes should be compensated on some level beyond scholarships and cost of attendance stipends (though many believe that is sufficient), I also think what we have quickly seen is that the inmates (rich alums) are running the asylum and I don't think anyone is in favor of what has transpired. The madness (unrestrained and unregulated NIL that is really pay for play) has to stop somewhere. My belief has been that the NCAA is now trying to seem like a reasonable body with ideas to fix the problem with the hope that this new found spirit of cooperation will lead to an anti trust exemption from Congress. That is really the only way the NCAA gets any power back (other than collective bargaining but that seems unruly with the sure number of different colleges at different levels and all the different sports).AppSt94 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 2:53 pmIt will be interesting to see if this holds up. Northwestern’s attempt was overturned. Also how it would translate to a public university that offers free and or discounted tuition to its employees.t4pizza wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 1:33 pmThe ironic part about it being a bunch of Dartmouth players is that the school doesn't even make any money on athletics at all so it's not like the players are sitting back and watching the school make money off their efforts. The school (and all Ivys) literally only field teams out of a belief of a well rounded school with activities for all. While these players don't get any scholarships, they do benefit from significantly easier admission standards as well as generous grants in many cases. Not to mention the incredible job opportunities that await alums, especially former athlete alums. That being said, I guess if they feel like it is a job, maybe they should fight to be treated that way.
Why do you think that the Dartmouth basketball team won’t get overturned?t4pizza wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 3:47 pmIt would not directly translate to public universities other than signifying yet another shift away from traditional models of amateurism and being used as a persuasive argument in future litigation. I will be very surprised if Dartmouth loses the appeal to the board, but if it does it will be just another indication that sentiment has changed. While I think most can agree that student athletes should be compensated on some level beyond scholarships and cost of attendance stipends (though many believe that is sufficient), I also think what we have quickly seen is that the inmates (rich alums) are running the asylum and I don't think anyone is in favor of what has transpired. The madness (unrestrained and unregulated NIL that is really pay for play) has to stop somewhere. My belief has been that the NCAA is now trying to seem like a reasonable body with ideas to fix the problem with the hope that this new found spirit of cooperation will lead to an anti trust exemption from Congress. That is really the only way the NCAA gets any power back (other than collective bargaining but that seems unruly with the sure number of different colleges at different levels and all the different sports).AppSt94 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 2:53 pmIt will be interesting to see if this holds up. Northwestern’s attempt was overturned. Also how it would translate to a public university that offers free and or discounted tuition to its employees.t4pizza wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 1:33 pmThe ironic part about it being a bunch of Dartmouth players is that the school doesn't even make any money on athletics at all so it's not like the players are sitting back and watching the school make money off their efforts. The school (and all Ivys) literally only field teams out of a belief of a well rounded school with activities for all. While these players don't get any scholarships, they do benefit from significantly easier admission standards as well as generous grants in many cases. Not to mention the incredible job opportunities that await alums, especially former athlete alums. That being said, I guess if they feel like it is a job, maybe they should fight to be treated that way.
I think it will be overturned, I will be very surprised if Dartmouth (the school not the players) doesn't prevail.AppSt94 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 4:17 pmWhy do you think that the Dartmouth basketball team won’t get overturned?t4pizza wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 3:47 pmIt would not directly translate to public universities other than signifying yet another shift away from traditional models of amateurism and being used as a persuasive argument in future litigation. I will be very surprised if Dartmouth loses the appeal to the board, but if it does it will be just another indication that sentiment has changed. While I think most can agree that student athletes should be compensated on some level beyond scholarships and cost of attendance stipends (though many believe that is sufficient), I also think what we have quickly seen is that the inmates (rich alums) are running the asylum and I don't think anyone is in favor of what has transpired. The madness (unrestrained and unregulated NIL that is really pay for play) has to stop somewhere. My belief has been that the NCAA is now trying to seem like a reasonable body with ideas to fix the problem with the hope that this new found spirit of cooperation will lead to an anti trust exemption from Congress. That is really the only way the NCAA gets any power back (other than collective bargaining but that seems unruly with the sure number of different colleges at different levels and all the different sports).AppSt94 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 2:53 pmIt will be interesting to see if this holds up. Northwestern’s attempt was overturned. Also how it would translate to a public university that offers free and or discounted tuition to its employees.t4pizza wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 1:33 pmThe ironic part about it being a bunch of Dartmouth players is that the school doesn't even make any money on athletics at all so it's not like the players are sitting back and watching the school make money off their efforts. The school (and all Ivys) literally only field teams out of a belief of a well rounded school with activities for all. While these players don't get any scholarships, they do benefit from significantly easier admission standards as well as generous grants in many cases. Not to mention the incredible job opportunities that await alums, especially former athlete alums. That being said, I guess if they feel like it is a job, maybe they should fight to be treated that way.
I do agree that NIL and it’s lack of regulation is the problem. I feel like the system is more likely to eat itself than become a viable entity.