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Officers also seized a 9mm handgun and ammunition during the stop, with Durham police spokeswoman Kammie Michael saying the pistol was found on the ground outside the rental vehicle during the search.
Hairston was driving a rented vehicle linked to a convicted felon facing pending drug charges at the time of the arrest.
Officers also seized a 9mm handgun and ammunition during the stop, with Durham police spokeswoman Kammie Michael saying the pistol was found on the ground outside the rental vehicle during the search.
Hairston was driving a rented vehicle linked to a convicted felon facing pending drug charges at the time of the arrest.
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I read this in the CO last week.
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2013/0 ... rston.html
The best bit:
“We throw parties, for Christ’s sake,” Thomas said when asked how he knew UNC athletes.
“When I said I don’t know them, I meant, I don’t know you, but you’re talking to me now, right? So I guess I met you.”

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2013/0 ... rston.html
The best bit:
“We throw parties, for Christ’s sake,” Thomas said when asked how he knew UNC athletes.
“When I said I don’t know them, I meant, I don’t know you, but you’re talking to me now, right? So I guess I met you.”

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The lesson here is to never promote your school on a higher moral plain otherwise you open yourselves to ridicule for an entire generation every time something goes wrong.
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Fair enough. That really is the irony of it all, but I think the scale and frequency of UNC related scandals like this is the real story.T-Dog wrote:The lesson here is to never promote your school on a higher moral plain otherwise you open yourselves to ridicule for an entire generation every time something goes wrong.
Even if they didn't cling to that arrogant, "Carolina Way" mantra, the corruption and complete disregard for the rules, over and over and over again UNC displays is unprecedented. It's shocking.
And not only are we confederated with this dirty institution, we are actively oppressed by it at every turn. Sometimes I wonder if non triad public NC universities would have been better off without the carnation of the UNC System.
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I am a Carolina alumna. I loved my four years there. Yes, I graduated. Yes, I went to real classes. I am proud of the education I received.
That said, the news out of Carolina's athletic department and other media outlets regarding Carolina athletes sickens me. I will not rejoice in Carolina's getting its just reward for what can only be described as blind arrogance.
In the meantime, I will continue to don the black and gold of my adopted alma mater and hope that Appalachian never falls prey to the same errors of judgment and reason that seem to be running rampant in Chapel Hill.
That said, the news out of Carolina's athletic department and other media outlets regarding Carolina athletes sickens me. I will not rejoice in Carolina's getting its just reward for what can only be described as blind arrogance.
In the meantime, I will continue to don the black and gold of my adopted alma mater and hope that Appalachian never falls prey to the same errors of judgment and reason that seem to be running rampant in Chapel Hill.
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Folks, time now to prepare for the The Great Whitewash, a sub-plot of The Carolina Way...Gonzo wrote:Fair enough. That really is the irony of it all, but I think the scale and frequency of UNC related scandals like this is the real story.T-Dog wrote:The lesson here is to never promote your school on a higher moral plain otherwise you open yourselves to ridicule for an entire generation every time something goes wrong.
Even if they didn't cling to that arrogant, "Carolina Way" mantra, the corruption and complete disregard for the rules, over and over and over again UNC displays is unprecedented. It's shocking.
And not only are we confederated with this dirty institution, we are actively oppressed by it at every turn. Sometimes I wonder if non triad public NC universities would have been better off without the carnation of the UNC System.
The DurhamPD police spokeswoman says there will be no more charges; and that suddenly, she has no information about the gun. It's almost like one of the old Flip Wilson as "Geraldine Jones" routines..."What gun??? I don't know nuthin' 'bout no gun!"
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How convenient.
If it was at App it would be in the world news for months.
If it was at App it would be in the world news for months.
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..."and hope that Appalachian never falls prey to the same errors of judgment and reason that seem to be running rampant in Chapel Hill."
Amen. But let's remember UNC is not alone, but has merely joined the ranks of many other that have sold out institutional values in the name of chasing college sports dollars. The sad thing is UNC leadership (and many alums) appear to be delusional and believe their school sets the standards for all things right in public university academics and athletics. UNC appears to be blinded by the allure of dollars and glamor of big time college sports. If it can happen in Chapel Hill, it can happen in Boone. Let's hope we can take a lesson from UNC's woes and keep the institutions mission at the forefront and know where to draw the line.
Amen. But let's remember UNC is not alone, but has merely joined the ranks of many other that have sold out institutional values in the name of chasing college sports dollars. The sad thing is UNC leadership (and many alums) appear to be delusional and believe their school sets the standards for all things right in public university academics and athletics. UNC appears to be blinded by the allure of dollars and glamor of big time college sports. If it can happen in Chapel Hill, it can happen in Boone. Let's hope we can take a lesson from UNC's woes and keep the institutions mission at the forefront and know where to draw the line.
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My husband and I talk about that exact Carolina academic arrogance all the time. He got his MSW at Chapel Hill because that's where it was available in the early 70's. You should have seen his excitement when App got an MSW program a couple of years ago. He was grateful that he'd get a chance at training some medical social workers who had real world brains and not just ivory tower fluff.DoubleA wrote:..."and hope that Appalachian never falls prey to the same errors of judgment and reason that seem to be running rampant in Chapel Hill."
Amen. But let's remember UNC is not alone, but has merely joined the ranks of many other that have sold out institutional values in the name of chasing college sports dollars. The sad thing is UNC leadership (and many alums) appear to be delusional and believe their school sets the standards for all things right in public university academics and athletics. UNC appears to be blinded by the allure of dollars and glamor of big time college sports. If it can happen in Chapel Hill, it can happen in Boone. Let's hope we can take a lesson from UNC's woes and keep the institutions mission at the forefront and know where to draw the line.
I hope App will continue to prove its worth. May we always earn whatever praise we get. Go App!
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The Tarhicks keep shooting themselves in the foot. Here's another chapter and verse...
UNC faculty leader pushed rewrite of report to keep NCAA away
RALEIGH — Newly released correspondence shows a faculty leader at UNC Chapel Hill watered down a report into academic fraud to lessen the chances the NCAA would come back to campus.
The correspondence shows that hours before the report’s release on July 26, 2012, Faculty Council Chairman Jan Boxill sent the three faculty authors a last-minute email, The News & Observer of Raleigh reported. It suggested they rewrite a sentence that painted a picture of a department manager creating bogus classes to protect athletes’ eligibility to play sports.
The authors grudgingly agreed to it, and some key information disappeared from the final version.
Boxill wrote that the request came from other faculty on the council’s executive committee. “The worry is that this could further raise NCAA issues and that is not the intention,” she said in the email.
As the elected faculty leader, Boxill is one of UNC’s top academic officials. Rewriting a sentence that carried the suggestion of an athletic motive behind the scandal should not be the mission of a faculty, said the author of a book on college athletic scandals.
“The faculty committee should not anticipate the audience or implications, but rather fulfill the charge they undertook,” said John Thelin, an education professor at the University of Kentucky and author of “Games Colleges Play.”
Jay Smith, a UNC history professor who has been among the most vocal critics of the university’s handling of the scandal, said Boxill’s email confirmed his fears that UNC had not investigated vigorously.
“It seems consistent with what I have taken to be the university’s strategy all along, which is they wanted to come up with findings that seemed frank and candid, but which also carefully exclude any further NCAA investigation,” Smith said.
Boxill did not respond to interview requests. In email messages to The News & Observer, she said she only relayed the suggestions of others, but she would not identify who provided them.
“The concern of (Faculty Executive Committee) members was to make sure the facts were reported correctly without implications and innuendos we were not in a position to know,” she said.
The NCAA typically does not involve itself in academic fraud cases unless there is an intent to assist athletes above other students.
UNC athletics, particularly the football program, has been embroiled in scandal for nearly three years. The NCAA investigated improper benefits from agents and improper help from tutors, leading to a one-year bowl ban, scholarship reductions, the firing of football coach Butch Davis and early retirement for athletics director Dick Baddour.
Soon after, word of bogus classes for athletes and other students in the African and Afro-American Studies Department led to several other investigations and a criminal probe that is still unfinished.
The change in the faculty report was made after Boxill and several committee members had praised previous drafts. Seven of the faculty members on the committee in a position to review the report said they did not make the suggestion; the other five who were not authors of the report could not be reached.
The special faculty report followed an internal university review that found the longtime chairman of the African studies department, Julius Nyang’oro, and his department manager, Deborah Crowder, were involved in creating dozens of lecture-style classes that never met and required only a term paper turned in at the end. Athletes were heavily enrolled in the classes.
The university report said athletics were not behind the scandal because non-athletes were also enrolled and graded similarly. The faculty report was the first official review to raise concerns that athletics may have played a role in the scandal. The drafts leading up to the final report stated this more strongly.
They said: “Although we may never know for certain, it was our impression from multiple interviews that the involvement of Deborah Crowder seems to have been that of an athletics supporter who was extremely close to personnel in Athletics, and who managed to use the system to help players by directing them to enroll in courses in the African and Afro-American Studies department that turned out to be aberrant or irregularly taught.”
The final version reads: “Although we may never know for certain, it was our impression from multiple interviews that a department staff member managed to use the system to help players by directing them to enroll in courses in the African and Afro-American Studies Department that turned out to be aberrant or irregularly taught.”
Boxill said in an email to the N&O that some faculty executive committee members objected to describing Crowder as “extremely close” to athletic personnel. Boxill called it “vague without definite boundaries.”
The Tarhicks keep shooting themselves in the foot. Here's another chapter and verse...
UNC faculty leader pushed rewrite of report to keep NCAA away
RALEIGH — Newly released correspondence shows a faculty leader at UNC Chapel Hill watered down a report into academic fraud to lessen the chances the NCAA would come back to campus.
The correspondence shows that hours before the report’s release on July 26, 2012, Faculty Council Chairman Jan Boxill sent the three faculty authors a last-minute email, The News & Observer of Raleigh reported. It suggested they rewrite a sentence that painted a picture of a department manager creating bogus classes to protect athletes’ eligibility to play sports.
The authors grudgingly agreed to it, and some key information disappeared from the final version.
Boxill wrote that the request came from other faculty on the council’s executive committee. “The worry is that this could further raise NCAA issues and that is not the intention,” she said in the email.
As the elected faculty leader, Boxill is one of UNC’s top academic officials. Rewriting a sentence that carried the suggestion of an athletic motive behind the scandal should not be the mission of a faculty, said the author of a book on college athletic scandals.
“The faculty committee should not anticipate the audience or implications, but rather fulfill the charge they undertook,” said John Thelin, an education professor at the University of Kentucky and author of “Games Colleges Play.”
Jay Smith, a UNC history professor who has been among the most vocal critics of the university’s handling of the scandal, said Boxill’s email confirmed his fears that UNC had not investigated vigorously.
“It seems consistent with what I have taken to be the university’s strategy all along, which is they wanted to come up with findings that seemed frank and candid, but which also carefully exclude any further NCAA investigation,” Smith said.
Boxill did not respond to interview requests. In email messages to The News & Observer, she said she only relayed the suggestions of others, but she would not identify who provided them.
“The concern of (Faculty Executive Committee) members was to make sure the facts were reported correctly without implications and innuendos we were not in a position to know,” she said.
The NCAA typically does not involve itself in academic fraud cases unless there is an intent to assist athletes above other students.
UNC athletics, particularly the football program, has been embroiled in scandal for nearly three years. The NCAA investigated improper benefits from agents and improper help from tutors, leading to a one-year bowl ban, scholarship reductions, the firing of football coach Butch Davis and early retirement for athletics director Dick Baddour.
Soon after, word of bogus classes for athletes and other students in the African and Afro-American Studies Department led to several other investigations and a criminal probe that is still unfinished.
The change in the faculty report was made after Boxill and several committee members had praised previous drafts. Seven of the faculty members on the committee in a position to review the report said they did not make the suggestion; the other five who were not authors of the report could not be reached.
The special faculty report followed an internal university review that found the longtime chairman of the African studies department, Julius Nyang’oro, and his department manager, Deborah Crowder, were involved in creating dozens of lecture-style classes that never met and required only a term paper turned in at the end. Athletes were heavily enrolled in the classes.
The university report said athletics were not behind the scandal because non-athletes were also enrolled and graded similarly. The faculty report was the first official review to raise concerns that athletics may have played a role in the scandal. The drafts leading up to the final report stated this more strongly.
They said: “Although we may never know for certain, it was our impression from multiple interviews that the involvement of Deborah Crowder seems to have been that of an athletics supporter who was extremely close to personnel in Athletics, and who managed to use the system to help players by directing them to enroll in courses in the African and Afro-American Studies department that turned out to be aberrant or irregularly taught.”
The final version reads: “Although we may never know for certain, it was our impression from multiple interviews that a department staff member managed to use the system to help players by directing them to enroll in courses in the African and Afro-American Studies Department that turned out to be aberrant or irregularly taught.”
Boxill said in an email to the N&O that some faculty executive committee members objected to describing Crowder as “extremely close” to athletic personnel. Boxill called it “vague without definite boundaries.”
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And this is going deeper. The mouthpiece folks are UNC grads that have connections to the thug that put PJ in the fancy rental cars. Seems Roy has lost control. I lost respect for him personally when he took his starters to the locker room and left the bench warmers to fend for themselves at FSU a couple years back. I guess that is just the Carolina way.
And this is going deeper. The mouthpiece folks are UNC grads that have connections to the thug that put PJ in the fancy rental cars. Seems Roy has lost control. I lost respect for him personally when he took his starters to the locker room and left the bench warmers to fend for themselves at FSU a couple years back. I guess that is just the Carolina way.
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sadly, I don't think anything will come of this. The NCAA has closed the book on UNC, they don't want to go back, they don't want to reopen the case, they want to turn a "blind eye" to any other infractions. Personally, I think going all the way back to when this all began with Butch Davis, the NCAA, for whatever reason, really took it easy on UNC, maybe it was because it was their first infraction, maybe after Pen State, the NCAA just didn't have the "stomach" to launch a proper investigation, I don't know, but just by what I have read, and based on appearance, I think the NCAA really took it easy on them.
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"among the most vocal critics of the university’s handling of the scandal, said Boxill’s email confirmed his fears that UNC had not investigated vigorously."
Nah. Those squeaky clean, doing it the right way Heels would never do that. Pardon the sarcasm.
Nah. Those squeaky clean, doing it the right way Heels would never do that. Pardon the sarcasm.

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...and possibly afraid of the UNC clout in the NCAA.moehler wrote:sadly, I don't think anything will come of this. The NCAA has closed the book on UNC, they don't want to go back, they don't want to reopen the case, they want to turn a "blind eye" to any other infractions. Personally, I think going all the way back to when this all began with Butch Davis, the NCAA, for whatever reason, really took it easy on UNC, maybe it was because it was their first infraction, maybe after Pen State, the NCAA just didn't have the "stomach" to launch a proper investigation, I don't know, but just by what I have read, and based on appearance, I think the NCAA really took it easy on them.
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All charges against UNC guard P.J. Hairston stemming from his June 5 arrest have been dismissed.
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BS walksbcoach wrote:All charges against UNC guard P.J. Hairston stemming from his June 5 arrest have been dismissed.
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What else could we expect from a school which graduates more lawyers than any other school in NC?bcoach wrote:All charges against UNC guard P.J. Hairston stemming from his June 5 arrest have been dismissed.
Money talks
Dismissed and not guilty, obviously, are two different things. If it was an ASU student vs the UNC dominated legal establishment in NC, he would probably still be trying to make bond.
Pot possession is often easy to wiggle out of, but driving without a license is a big question mark and more than a little bit suspect.
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I believe that young Mr. Hairston may have later provided proof of having a valid driver's license according to the news sources.
The biggest thing that bothers me about the whole sordid UNC mess is that they have never once self-reported any of all their many trangressions and have only tokenly made gestures to clean up once they have been exposed. They continue to cover up even after three years of news leaking out of shady practices in their athletic department. We are not talking about message board rumors either, these are things that have actually taken place and proven. Not only is their influence deep into the practicing attorney's in this state but more importantly for them is the influence they wield over the BOG and the legislature and also apparently the NCAA (not to mention the head of ESPN is a UNC grad, who rarely ever mentions any of their dirty laundry on the air ad nauseam like they do other less newsworthy events such as Johnny Football). I believe that the only way they will clean up is if this starts affecting the huge amounts of research grants they receive on a yearly basis and this could possibly happen since the athletics dirt has also become an academic issue.
The thing that really affects all of us the most is how Appalachian (and all the other UNC system schools) has to take a seat so much lower on the funding ladder from the state and BOG.
I think the mafia could learn some tricks from the Chapel Hill crowd.
The biggest thing that bothers me about the whole sordid UNC mess is that they have never once self-reported any of all their many trangressions and have only tokenly made gestures to clean up once they have been exposed. They continue to cover up even after three years of news leaking out of shady practices in their athletic department. We are not talking about message board rumors either, these are things that have actually taken place and proven. Not only is their influence deep into the practicing attorney's in this state but more importantly for them is the influence they wield over the BOG and the legislature and also apparently the NCAA (not to mention the head of ESPN is a UNC grad, who rarely ever mentions any of their dirty laundry on the air ad nauseam like they do other less newsworthy events such as Johnny Football). I believe that the only way they will clean up is if this starts affecting the huge amounts of research grants they receive on a yearly basis and this could possibly happen since the athletics dirt has also become an academic issue.
The thing that really affects all of us the most is how Appalachian (and all the other UNC system schools) has to take a seat so much lower on the funding ladder from the state and BOG.
I think the mafia could learn some tricks from the Chapel Hill crowd.