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Inside Marshall Recruiting

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Inside Marshall Recruiting

Unread post by GoApps70 » Tue Sep 02, 2014 5:34 am

Thought this was an interesting article about Marshall recruiting.

http://www.herald-dispatch.com/sports/x ... d-go-at-MU
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Re: Inside Marshall Recruiting

Unread post by appbio91 » Tue Sep 02, 2014 6:06 am

GoApps70 wrote:Thought this was an interesting article about Marshall recruiting.

http://www.herald-dispatch.com/sports/x ... d-go-at-MU
Please tell me we do not play these games. Pulling scholarships from kids that have signed national letters of intent so you can sign someone else's cast off sounds a little bit lame.

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Unread post by NewApp » Tue Sep 02, 2014 7:23 am

GoApps70 wrote:Thought this was an interesting article about Marshall recruiting.

http://www.herald-dispatch.com/sports/x ... d-go-at-MU
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Unread post by moehler » Tue Sep 02, 2014 9:43 am

one of the two "dirty little secrets" collage football programs would wish we didn't know about, the other, that schlorships are only 1 year binding, not 4, and a coach, at his choice, and without giving a reason, can take a schlorship away from a kid who has done nothing wrong.

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Unread post by EastHallApp » Tue Sep 02, 2014 10:16 am

Wow, that's pretty shady stuff. Kind of seems like there ought to be an NCAA penalty for that, unless the recruits agreed to it (not that I expect they'd do so without some coercion).

Pretty interesting article, but the writer let them off the hook a bit with this line:

"Marshall already is faced with having the smallest recruiting class of Doc Holliday's tenure in 2015, so gray-shirting was out of the question."

So if they didn't have room to grayshirt those players and take them in 2015, how do they have room to take six non-qualifiers who don't count against the 85 limit this year but WILL count next year, assuming they get eligible?

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Unread post by McLeansvilleAppFan » Tue Sep 02, 2014 3:56 pm

moehler wrote:one of the two "dirty little secrets" collage football programs would wish we didn't know about, the other, that schlorships are only 1 year binding, not 4, and a coach, at his choice, and without giving a reason, can take a schlorship away from a kid who has done nothing wrong.
Though I don't like this it is basically what right to work for less states do with employment law. No reason need be given and all is fair short of a few federal laws against protected classes of people.

I care for neither the 1 year scholly offer nor do I like RTWforless. Either way the person without power has the potential to be screwed over for no reason other than a whim.
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Unread post by AppSt94 » Tue Sep 02, 2014 4:14 pm

moehler wrote:one of the two "dirty little secrets" collage football programs would wish we didn't know about, the other, that schlorships are only 1 year binding, not 4, and a coach, at his choice, and without giving a reason, can take a schlorship away from a kid who has done nothing wrong.
I would imagine that the NLI has language within the contract stating that it is renewable yearly at the discretion of the Athletic Department.

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Unread post by McLeansvilleAppFan » Tue Sep 02, 2014 6:41 pm

AppSt94 wrote:
moehler wrote:one of the two "dirty little secrets" collage football programs would wish we didn't know about, the other, that schlorships are only 1 year binding, not 4, and a coach, at his choice, and without giving a reason, can take a schlorship away from a kid who has done nothing wrong.
I would imagine that the NLI has language within the contract stating that it is renewable yearly at the discretion of the Athletic Department.
I am sure it does, and I don't mind having something in there to protect the school. But it should be spelled out clearly. (not coming to practice, obviously not trying,hazing or criminal problems) and there should be a right to appeal to an outside arbitrator. And there should be plain language not legal jargon to explain all of this in clear bold font of a size that is easy to read without a magnifying glass.
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Re: Inside Marshall Recruiting

Unread post by AppSt94 » Tue Sep 02, 2014 7:18 pm

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moehler wrote:one of the two "dirty little secrets" collage football programs would wish we didn't know about, the other, that schlorships are only 1 year binding, not 4, and a coach, at his choice, and without giving a reason, can take a schlorship away from a kid who has done nothing wrong.
I would imagine that the NLI has language within the contract stating that it is renewable yearly at the discretion of the Athletic Department.
I am sure it does, and I don't mind having something in there to protect the school. But it should be spelled out clearly. (not coming to practice, obviously not trying,hazing or criminal problems) and there should be a right to appeal to an outside arbitrator. And there should be plain language not legal jargon to explain all of this in clear bold font of a size that is easy to read without a magnifying glass.
I agree. There has to be some sort of non renew for cause. With the natural attrition from year to year, I would hope that a player losing his spot for a better player is the RARE exception and not the norm. I would like to see a larger sample to corroborate Marshall's problem.

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Re: Inside Marshall Recruiting

Unread post by McLeansvilleAppFan » Tue Sep 02, 2014 7:26 pm

AppSt94 wrote:
McLeansvilleAppFan wrote:
AppSt94 wrote:
moehler wrote:one of the two "dirty little secrets" collage football programs would wish we didn't know about, the other, that schlorships are only 1 year binding, not 4, and a coach, at his choice, and without giving a reason, can take a schlorship away from a kid who has done nothing wrong.
I would imagine that the NLI has language within the contract stating that it is renewable yearly at the discretion of the Athletic Department.
I am sure it does, and I don't mind having something in there to protect the school. But it should be spelled out clearly. (not coming to practice, obviously not trying,hazing or criminal problems) and there should be a right to appeal to an outside arbitrator. And there should be plain language not legal jargon to explain all of this in clear bold font of a size that is easy to read without a magnifying glass.
I agree. There has to be some sort of non renew for cause. With the natural attrition from year to year, I would hope that a player losing his spot for a better player is the RARE exception and not the norm. I would like to see a larger sample to corroborate Marshall's problem.
I doubt it happens often. But just having the language in place can have a chilling effect on dealing with problems from the student athlete side due to what could happen.
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