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UNCC VS Duke (Home and Home) 2020-21

Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 9:05 am
by boonetown1
I saw where UNCC and Duke have signed a "home and home" for 2020-21; we should have gotten that one.

Also, I saw where Mizzou is coming to Arkansas State this year. I wonder if we could pull off something like that with Gillian in place.

Anyone hear any rumblings of scheduling news?

Re: UNCC VS Duke (Home and Home) 2020-21

Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 9:33 am
by QueencityApp
You mean besides Wake Forest coming to Boone in 2017? I've not heard of any other "P5" school coming to Boone other than the Deacs..

Re: UNCC VS Duke (Home and Home) 2020-21

Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 10:01 am
by EastHallApp
I wish App could get a home-and-home with Duke. We'd pack our stadium and theirs. Unfortunately both schools' schedules are starting to fill up several years into the future.

Re: UNCC VS Duke (Home and Home) 2020-21

Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 11:20 am
by asu66
QueencityApp wrote:You mean besides Wake Forest coming to Boone in 2017? I've not heard of any other "P5" school coming to Boone other than the Deacs..
We really aren't hearing anything from the new AD. In fact, in that regard, it's dead quiet--almost as if C.Cobb still occupied the position. Communication just wasn't Cobb's "thing."

In all fairness to Doug Gillin, I'm convinced that by now, he's learned who everyone is and what they do in the athletic department. I believe he's now doing his own assessment of how well they are performing their duties and if they're doing work that needs to be done. At some point, there will be a reorganization of the entire department with job responsibilities shifted among staffers and among programs. That may well generate some vacancies; some of which may not be filled. Gillin will look to streamline the operation for maximum efficiency and productivity. Due to the budget issues he inherited from Cobb, he may have to play his "do more with less" card. Organizing the department in a way that makes "sense and cents" to him is his top priority.

I'm certain a lot of fund-raising, facilities evaluation and scheduling are going on in the background with announcements to be made at very targeted and strategic times in the future. He's also wading through HR issues inherited from Cobb. There were staff and student-athlete grievances on the table when he arrived. Those have to be adjudicated according to department and/or university policy.

We're just going to have to wait it out. When Gillin's ready, I think there will be a big splash of some sort to generate excitement for the upcoming fall sports season--and beyond!

Re: UNCC VS Duke (Home and Home) 2020-21

Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 11:46 am
by appfanjj
Why would duke play in Charlotte and not Boone? Very winnable road game, good recruiting area, lots of local alumni. Boone, none of the above apply. We will continue to get some decent non conference home games but maybe not the ones we would love to have. Hope The new AD proves me wrong.

Re: UNCC VS Duke (Home and Home) 2020-21

Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 11:53 am
by appfanjj
The house that jerry built will probably hold 40K by then. They may have guaranteed that. We need to get moving.

Re: UNCC VS Duke (Home and Home) 2020-21

Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 12:13 pm
by EastHallApp
appfanjj wrote:The house that jerry built will probably hold 40K by then. They may have guaranteed that. We need to get moving.
Even if by some chance that guarantee actually happened, highly doubtful those two teams could sell it out. Duke doesn't mind playing in smaller stadiums. They played at Troy last year, who has a capacity of 30,000 (announced attendance was just over 21,000). Their fanbase has plenty of money, but not plenty of bodies to fill a football stadium.

Your previous post was more likely on point, IMO.

Re: UNCC VS Duke (Home and Home) 2020-21

Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 12:16 pm
by moehler
I don't think they will be at 40 thousand by time of the Duke game, they can't get 10 thousand now, cant imagine they are going to get that kind of demand anytime soon. But we have our problems, other SBC schools are moving forward with improvements to their athletics, while we seem to be in a holding pattern. If we don't makes some major moves in the next 2 or 3 years we are going to be in big trouble. Gillian's resume said one of his strengths is corporate fundraising, that is a big weakness and at the same time an opportunity that Gillian needs to improve.

Re: UNCC VS Duke (Home and Home) 2020-21

Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 12:51 pm
by EastHallApp
moehler wrote: Gillian's resume said one of his strengths is corporate fundraising, that is a big weakness and at the same time an opportunity that Gillian needs to improve.
With all due respect to asu66, I'd be surprised if this isn't Gillin's top priority. His background's in growing the pot, not trimming costs around the edges. Not to say efficiency isn't important, and he said as much when he was introduced, but I believe he also indicated his belief that to grow the program he'll need to grow revenue, not just cut costs. That's his experience, and that's App's need, which is part of why he looks like a good fit for the job.

Re: UNCC VS Duke (Home and Home) 2020-21

Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 1:53 pm
by asu66
EastHallApp wrote:
moehler wrote: Gillian's resume said one of his strengths is corporate fundraising, that is a big weakness and at the same time an opportunity that Gillian needs to improve.
With all due respect to asu66, I'd be surprised if this isn't Gillin's top priority. His background's in growing the pot, not trimming costs around the edges. Not to say efficiency isn't important, and he said as much when he was introduced, but I believe he also indicated his belief that to grow the program he'll need to grow revenue, not just cut costs. That's his experience, and that's App's need, which is part of why he looks like a good fit for the job.
Without question, that's Gillin's "power alley" and revenue growth is his ultimate goal. I don't think there's any question that those skills were the prime motivation for Chancellor Everts to select him.

My post goes more to the "nuts and bolts" reality of Gillin taking over a train wreck of an athletic department where Cobb made some administrative decisions to award rather controversial salary increases to a few of his closest staffers; then had to start cutting operational budgets of other staffers and other programs in order to gain the revenue to honor those salary commitments. Operational funds for closing out the 2014-15 fiscal year were/are extremely tight and directly attributable to Cobb's decisions . The new fiscal year beginning on July 1 will be on a budget still heavy with Cobb's fingerprints; but with Gillin's recent input.

In other words, Gillin had to take time out to clean up a mess and mend a lot of fences before he could step out to approach the movers and shakers of the world about major gifts, major sponsorships and naming rights to athletic department sports venues.

Re: UNCC VS Duke (Home and Home) 2020-21

Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 3:13 pm
by AtlAppMan
No doubt Gillin has some houseworko do but, if I recall, he said his job is to "grow the checkbook".

Re: UNCC VS Duke (Home and Home) 2020-21

Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 3:39 pm
by Nugget49
I do not see 40k seats in our near future. With the downward trend in attendance across college sports I suspect that smaller stadiums are going to become the norm. I think by the time Duke visits, and probably by 2018 when you come down the mountain, we will be around the size of KB, probably at 25k seats. 25-30k should be a sweet-spot for most G5 schools.

Re: UNCC VS Duke (Home and Home) 2020-21

Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 3:58 pm
by appfanjj
If you have 25,000 seats by then we will need 15,000 of them please.

Re: UNCC VS Duke (Home and Home) 2020-21

Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 4:06 pm
by moehler
exactly, Gillian is being paid to take us to the next level, personally, I don't really care what shape Cobb left the program, its Gilliam's job, with the support of the Chancellor, to fix any problems quickly, and to start the process of moving us forward.

Re: UNCC VS Duke (Home and Home) 2020-21

Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 8:50 pm
by manonabuffalo
Nugget49 wrote:I do not see 40k seats in our near future. With the downward trend in attendance across college sports I suspect that smaller stadiums are going to become the norm. I think by the time Duke visits, and probably by 2018 when you come down the mountain, we will be around the size of KB, probably at 25k seats. 25-30k should be a sweet-spot for most G5 schools.
Delusion at best, you gents can't even keep 10,000 entertained for 2 quarters. What makes you guys think the product will warrant 25k worth of seats after year number 3 of consecutive losing records in FBS? The biggest problem I see is the student attendance or lack thereof, given they can get tickets for free and all. See Ga State for your future endeavors (ironic you guys play them in game one, DON'T BREAK OUR HEARTS AND LOSE!), ole C. Cobb is all over that mess right now.

Re: UNCC VS Duke (Home and Home) 2020-21

Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 9:05 pm
by moehler
unlike alot of Charlotte fans, Nugget49 is somewhat respectful on our board, and usually what he post makes some sense. I agree with him that most mid majors need to cap seating capacity between 30-35 thousand, any more means wasted money and empty seats

Re: UNCC VS Duke (Home and Home) 2020-21

Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 10:14 pm
by Nugget49
appfanjj wrote:If you have 25,000 seats by then we will need 15,000 of them please.
http://www.stubhub.com/ ;)

Re: UNCC VS Duke (Home and Home) 2020-21

Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2015 9:27 am
by Niner National
manonabuffalo wrote:
Nugget49 wrote:I do not see 40k seats in our near future. With the downward trend in attendance across college sports I suspect that smaller stadiums are going to become the norm. I think by the time Duke visits, and probably by 2018 when you come down the mountain, we will be around the size of KB, probably at 25k seats. 25-30k should be a sweet-spot for most G5 schools.
Delusion at best, you gents can't even keep 10,000 entertained for 2 quarters. What makes you guys think the product will warrant 25k worth of seats after year number 3 of consecutive losing records in FBS? The biggest problem I see is the student attendance or lack thereof, given they can get tickets for free and all. See Ga State for your future endeavors (ironic you guys play them in game one, DON'T BREAK OUR HEARTS AND LOSE!), ole C. Cobb is all over that mess right now.
To consistently give ourselves a chance to get decent OOC home games, we're going to need to be 25,000+. I'd like to see us go to 25,000 and call it quits. There simply isn't enough interest in G5 football to warrant more than that consistently. If we need more, we can always play at BoA. I just don't want to have to play at BoA EVERY time we want to play a P5 school. We're going to be limited in the P5 schools we can draw at home anyway, but I can't imagine many at all giving us consideration at all with current capacity.

Re: UNCC VS Duke (Home and Home) 2020-21

Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2015 11:57 am
by Gonzo
Nugget49 wrote:I do not see 40k seats in our near future. With the downward trend in attendance across college sports I suspect that smaller stadiums are going to become the norm. I think by the time Duke visits, and probably by 2018 when you come down the mountain, we will be around the size KB is now besides the 8,000 or so lawn seats that we don't have, probably at 25k seats. 25-30k should be a sweet-spot for most G5 schools.
FIFY.

Well be happy to pass down the twin bed just in time for you fine folks to leave the crib.