http://www.underdogdynasty.com/2016/2/8 ... 49ers-CUSA

Poor 49ers...

Charlotte has a football team ? Who knew ?

Dr. Judy Rose was tasked by her chancellor with building a football program...from scratch...to be equal to or better than ASU...in under six years. She responded with her typical bravado of "I can do that." to impress the chancellor and the UNCC BOT. Guess what? Be careful what you wish for! Be even more careful what you promise. Rose knew nothing about football then; but she's learned a lot about football the hard way since. One of those lessons learned is that you can't create a winning football tradition at a commuter college....in a pro sports town...in six years. Nor in ten years.

App State has 88 years of winning tradition in football. Give it up, Judy. You're not even in the game yet!

I don't doubt that UNCC will some day have a solid football program, but it won't come easy and it won't come soon!

The saga of UNCC football is proof positive that karma is real. From the day they found out they were getting a team their fans and administration pronounced the death of App State football. They set their sights on us because, at least at the time, our level of success seemed achievable.

Here we are in 2016. App finished 11-2 with a bowl win in our first win of eligibility. UNCC is one of the worst teams in America. We're enjoying what might be the best FCS to FBS transition of all time. They're suffering through what might be the worst D-1 football startup of all time, including Georgia State.

A 2-10 record suggests they don't exist on the field either.

I'm honestly content not being in C-USA. With the exception of a couple of schools, it's just a bunch of unproven start ups who happen to be located in large markets.

C-USA is actually ranked below the Sun Belt in men's basketball.

Gonzo wrote:The saga of UNCC football is proof positive that karma is real. From the day they found out they were getting a team their fans and administration pronounced the death of App State football. They set their sights on us because, at least at the time, our level of success seemed achievable.

I really don't remember this history, specifically among their administration. A few out there fans is typical of every fan base. Do you care to support this with statements made by folks actually representing the the school?

CVAPP wrote:

Gonzo wrote:The saga of UNCC football is proof positive that karma is real. From the day they found out they were getting a team their fans and administration pronounced the death of App State football. They set their sights on us because, at least at the time, our level of success seemed achievable.

I really don't remember this history, specifically among their administration. A few out there fans is typical of every fan base. Do you care to support this with statements made by folks actually representing the the school?

I agree. I am sure we have our fair share of trolls that hit up other school's message boards. Other than the UNCC trolls that come occasionally on here, I've not heard any other arrogant comments from say their school or team. Then again I live in Northern Virginia. Not too many UNCC fans up this way.

Personally I want UNCC to succeed. We have them on the schedule in a few years. If we played them now it be like playing Western. I want them to succeed, be a good team, and that way our victory over them means more.

CVAPP wrote:

Gonzo wrote:The saga of UNCC football is proof positive that karma is real. From the day they found out they were getting a team their fans and administration pronounced the death of App State football. They set their sights on us because, at least at the time, our level of success seemed achievable.

I really don't remember this history, specifically among their administration. A few out there fans is typical of every fan base. Do you care to support this with statements made by folks actually representing the the school?

I've heard from a few people that Judy named us with regularity. It's hearsay, but I believe it.

We know how their fans feel.

CVAPP wrote:

Gonzo wrote:The saga of UNCC football is proof positive that karma is real. From the day they found out they were getting a team their fans and administration pronounced the death of App State football. They set their sights on us because, at least at the time, our level of success seemed achievable.

I really don't remember this history, specifically among their administration. A few out there fans is typical of every fan base. Do you care to support this with statements made by folks actually representing the the school?

A couple years ago I went through my old card collection and pulled out all the people that had NC ties except for the Prig5 schools.

I sent those cards to their schools. In every case (except oddly enough App State) I got a nice letter from the AD thanking me for this thoughtful and most likely highly unusual donation. These cards were from the late 70's mostly so something these schools would not have to display. I told each school they could display them or sell them as a fundraiser. The only condition was placed on UNCC as I told them jokingly they could not use the money to build up their football program they were just starting. Judy wrote back a hand-written note and mentioned her respect for App State football and knew it would be a few years before they would be ready for us.

I'll start caring about them in 2018.

things went south with us and UNCC when they voted to keep us out of CUSA, they were hoping and praying we would be stuck in FCS for many years, and their football program would pass us. I would love to have been in the room when Judy and her peers found out that the SBC threw us a lifeline and let us join. As far as their football program, I think its moving along fine, they only had 2 wins last year, but they were more competitive, had some close games, and looked, at times, like a FBS program. Still, looking at their recruiting class, and what the product they will put on the field next year, their probably 3 or 4 years away from respectability.

Can we all take a moment to giggle at the fact that Georgia Southern has been trying to bait Vanderbilt into a h&h for 2 years and Georgia State just signed them to one?

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APPdiesel wrote:Can we all take a moment to giggle at the fact that Georgia Southern has been trying to bait Vanderbilt into a h&h for 2 years and Georgia State just signed them to one?

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That is fantastic. Of course, like every other FBS team, it's obviously because they're scared to play Southern because of the time they beat a 4-8 SEC team.

To recap, here is a list of every future OOC home game Southern has scheduled:

2016: Savannah State
2017: none
2018: UMass
2019: Kent State

moehler wrote:things went south with us and UNCC when they voted to keep us out of CUSA, they were hoping and praying we would be stuck in FCS for many years, and their football program would pass us.

I keep learning things I must have been oblivious to a mere few years back. When did CUSA vote on whether or not to invite APP to join? I don't recall APP ever being a formal candidate. Remember, our media market was too small?

CVAPP wrote:

moehler wrote:things went south with us and UNCC when they voted to keep us out of CUSA, they were hoping and praying we would be stuck in FCS for many years, and their football program would pass us.

I keep learning things I must have been oblivious to a mere few years back. When did CUSA vote on whether or not to invite APP to join? I don't recall APP ever being a formal candidate. Remember, our media market was too small?

CVAPP: The President's and AD's have meetings, just like the Belt admins have meetings, and during one of those meetings names of schools were brought up for a vote to extend an invite to. The names may not have been "formal candidates" but we know who was discussed and voted on. A lot like the Belt meeting that took place where several schools were voted on and where the Coastal invite came out of. While no formal announcement of the results was made public quite a few people know what the results were. People talk and others have sources. Who voted how is well known. And what was said is too. Media market was a big factor, as we all know, and CUSA is paying a price for their shortsightedness now with the new TV contract. But it wasn't the only thing said during the meeting.

firemoose wrote:

CVAPP wrote:

moehler wrote:things went south with us and UNCC when they voted to keep us out of CUSA, they were hoping and praying we would be stuck in FCS for many years, and their football program would pass us.

I keep learning things I must have been oblivious to a mere few years back. When did CUSA vote on whether or not to invite APP to join? I don't recall APP ever being a formal candidate. Remember, our media market was too small?

CVAPP: The President's and AD's have meetings, just like the Belt admins have meetings, and during one of those meetings names of schools were brought up for a vote to extend an invite to. The names may not have been "formal candidates" but we know who was discussed and voted on. A lot like the Belt meeting that took place where several schools were voted on and where the Coastal invite came out of. While no formal announcement of the results was made public quite a few people know what the results were. People talk and others have sources. Who voted how is well known. And what was said is too.Media market was a big factor, as we all know, and CUSA is paying a price for their shortsightedness now with the new TV contract. But it wasn't the only thing said during the meeting.

I am going to disagree with you too, but in this case, with the utmost of respect.

CVAPP wrote:I am going to disagree with you too, but in this case, with the utmost of respect.

You go right ahead. Doesn't bother me a bit.