Troy’s Neal Brown to WVU

[ComebackShack]

[T-Dog]

Troy's getting a 300K buyout, less than the 425K App got for Satterfield.

[AppStFan1]

Troy's getting a 300K buyout, less than the 425K App got for Satterfield.

Seems low? As for the move, Troy has been so nervous and this is their worst nightmare. They have a team with high expectations in 2019 like we do. Both Troy and App State had they returned their coaches were expected to win 11+ games and win the SBC for sure. I still think we can after seeing our hire but now they are uncertain. Troy job has to be one that a lot of P5 coordinators would want. They have a very good personnel situation.

I do wonder if they now lose 1-2 players to the NFL early? They have a couple juniors who could declare after seeing Duck go.

I know this is a change of subject but wonder if seeing teammates go pro and not get drafted or not make it might deter anyone who sees their friends make a huge mistake from making one of their one? Could happen at App and Troy if they lose one because Troy has some very good juniors this year and some rising juniors who had very good years also.

[The Rock]

Troy's getting a 300K buyout, less than the 425K App got for Satterfield.

Seems low? As for the move, Troy has been so nervous and this is their worst nightmare. They have a team with high expectations in 2019 like we do. Both Troy and App State had they returned their coaches were expected to win 11+ games and win the SBC for sure. I still think we can after seeing our hire but now they are uncertain. Troy job has to be one that a lot of P5 coordinators would want. They have a very good personnel situation.

I do wonder if they now lose 1-2 players to the NFL early? They have a couple juniors who could declare after seeing Duck go.

I know this is a change of subject but wonder if seeing teammates go pro and not get drafted or not make it might deter anyone who sees their friends make a huge mistake from making one of their one? Could happen at App and Troy if they lose one because Troy has some very good juniors this year and some rising juniors who had very good years also.

Not 100% sure, but I think brown was almost out from his contract. Typically the closer to the end of the contract, the less the buyout. That’s why Satterfields 425k buyout was disappointing because we had just restructured his contract months earlier and we knew he was in demand.

[appaneer1984]

It'll be interesting to see how this plays out for them...I'm just glad that our head coaching search is behind us and we have Drink at the helm, which I know is probably the understatement of the year

[GregPercussion]

This does make me feel better about our season next year now that Troy will be in a similar boat to us. Two of the SBC top programs going though a "rebuilding year" while also retaining some skilled players.

[appaneer1984]

And we and Troy will watch the prognosticators again continue to get aroused by a mediocre arkansas state team

[WVAPPeer]

I would like to ask about this in another way - As those who have been on here for decades know, I am a born and bred West BY GOD Virginian and became a hard-core APP fan when our daughter was accepted in the Fall of '98 and began as a freshman in the Fall of '99. Therefore my 2 favorite college football teams are both MOUNTAINEERS -
For those who have followed Coach Brown and Troy what is your take on him as a coach and how do you think he will do at WVU? (I was hoping for Fickell at Cincy) - Thanks ---

[Appstate88]

If you could choose to coach at WVU or Louisville for the same $. What's the better deal?

[appgrad]

Not 100% sure, but I think brown was almost out from his contract. Typically the closer to the end of the contract, the less the buyout. That’s why Satterfields 425k buyout was disappointing because we had just restructured his contract months earlier and we knew he was in demand.

From what I remember - he had around 3-4 years on his contract, and his buyout was in the neighborhood of 2-2.5 Million. I was pretty sure it was one of the reasons he wasn't hired yet. Of course, with WVU getting Holgo buyout money + P5 revenue, it would've been easy for them to pay.

Have to wonder how they pulled off only $300k if that's all they get.

[appgrad]

If you could choose to coach at WVU or Louisville for the same $. What's the better deal?

Louisville - I think it's easier to recruit to as an urban school. Definitely advantages to WVU - better fans, more tradition, better mascot name, etc. but you're also in a league competing with OU, Texas, and the nouveau riche Okie State and TCU.

Louisville really only has FSU and Clemson to worry about.

[biggie]

Anyone know off the top of what Troy loses on both sides of the ball next year? Just heard they should win the east before this happened, so didn't know if they were losing much.

[appaneer1984]

If you could choose to coach at WVU or Louisville for the same $. What's the better deal?

My money is on WVU, with the ACC you'll always have to compete (and more than likely lose) against Clemson, FSU, NCSU. Syracuse had a good season and look to be picking up 2019 where they left off in 2018, BC has had a pretty stout defense in recent years. Duke and Wake are ok and UNC really has nowhere to go but up.

With Big 12 you have Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State as the big dogs, but the other teams, to me at least, seem beatable any given Saturday.

[Black Saturday]

If you could choose to coach at WVU or Louisville for the same $. What's the better deal?

Louisville - I think it's easier to recruit to as an urban school. Definitely advantages to WVU - better fans, more tradition, better mascot name, etc. but you're also in a league competing with OU, Texas, and the nouveau riche Okie State and TCU.

Louisville really only has FSU and Clemson to worry about.

It's going to be ACC - Another Clemson Championship - for a while, based on how far any ACC teams have to play catch up, along with the SEC powers competing for the marquise players that are available.

Petrino ran Louisville into the ground they are probably 3-4 years away from a winning season in my opinion, but has potential to return earlier prominence. WVUs cupboard isn't bare and will have a winning season next year, but probably is more difficult to recruit to than Louisville.

[AppStFan1]

Troy's getting a 300K buyout, less than the 425K App got for Satterfield.

Seems low? As for the move, Troy has been so nervous and this is their worst nightmare. They have a team with high expectations in 2019 like we do. Both Troy and App State had they returned their coaches were expected to win 11+ games and win the SBC for sure. I still think we can after seeing our hire but now they are uncertain. Troy job has to be one that a lot of P5 coordinators would want. They have a very good personnel situation.

I do wonder if they now lose 1-2 players to the NFL early? They have a couple juniors who could declare after seeing Duck go.

I know this is a change of subject but wonder if seeing teammates go pro and not get drafted or not make it might deter anyone who sees their friends make a huge mistake from making one of their one? Could happen at App and Troy if they lose one because Troy has some very good juniors this year and some rising juniors who had very good years also.

Not 100% sure, but I think brown was almost out from his contract. Typically the closer to the end of the contract, the less the buyout. That’s why Satterfields 425k buyout was disappointing because we had just restructured his contract months earlier and we knew he was in demand.

Satt was not in high demand. Had Brohm taken the job he would still be at App. There was interest but he was plan B or C for several people. We know for a fact he was plan B for UL.

He was going to be #1 for many if we had gone 12-0 in 2019 for sure. I could have seen him with 2-3 P5 offers as the #1 candidate then.

As for buyout, I'm not sure why schools lower it. When JMU redid Mike Houston's deal they should have set a high buyout or not extended. I don't get why ADs extend deals and lower buyout. When you know they are looking to go all you did was just get less money when the guy goes. If anything, you should raise the buyout so you get more when they go or just leave the deal the same and not extend until 1-2 years left.

[AppStFan1]

Anyone know off the top of what Troy loses on both sides of the ball next year? Just heard they should win the east before this happened, so didn't know if they were losing much.

Most of their team will be back. They are one of maybe 4 teams who I would think is considered a NY6 candidate by all the magazines. Troy, Utah State, UCF, and App are likely going to be the top ones I would think, based on what they all have returning.

[AppStFan1]

If you could choose to coach at WVU or Louisville for the same $. What's the better deal?

Louisville - I think it's easier to recruit to as an urban school. Definitely advantages to WVU - better fans, more tradition, better mascot name, etc. but you're also in a league competing with OU, Texas, and the nouveau riche Okie State and TCU.

Louisville really only has FSU and Clemson to worry about.

Clemson will be there a while. FSU is down now but will get better. They also have Syracuse and BC who have come on as contenders. That division is tough. Just one big time power but 3 to 4 other programs in a good situation now and will be tough. 4 years ago I would have said 100% just Clemson but there is competition for #2 slot and it is fierce right now.

[AppSt94]

This does make me feel better about our season next year now that Troy will be in a similar boat to us. Two of the SBC top programs going though a "rebuilding year" while also retaining some skilled players.

The Gnats are positively giddy. They are so sure that they are the new top dog next year that they are taking their sisters out for a nice steak dinner.

[diehardapp18]

If you could choose to coach at WVU or Louisville for the same $. What's the better deal?

Louisville - I think it's easier to recruit to as an urban school. Definitely advantages to WVU - better fans, more tradition, better mascot name, etc. but you're also in a league competing with OU, Texas, and the nouveau riche Okie State and TCU.

Louisville really only has FSU and Clemson to worry about.

And honestly Clemson isn’t even that good

[The Rock]

Troy's getting a 300K buyout, less than the 425K App got for Satterfield.

Seems low? As for the move, Troy has been so nervous and this is their worst nightmare. They have a team with high expectations in 2019 like we do. Both Troy and App State had they returned their coaches were expected to win 11+ games and win the SBC for sure. I still think we can after seeing our hire but now they are uncertain. Troy job has to be one that a lot of P5 coordinators would want. They have a very good personnel situation.

I do wonder if they now lose 1-2 players to the NFL early? They have a couple juniors who could declare after seeing Duck go.

I know this is a change of subject but wonder if seeing teammates go pro and not get drafted or not make it might deter anyone who sees their friends make a huge mistake from making one of their one? Could happen at App and Troy if they lose one because Troy has some very good juniors this year and some rising juniors who had very good years also.

Not 100% sure, but I think brown was almost out from his contract. Typically the closer to the end of the contract, the less the buyout. That’s why Satterfields 425k buyout was disappointing because we had just restructured his contract months earlier and we knew he was in demand.

Satt was not in high demand. Had Brohm taken the job he would still be at App. There was interest but he was plan B or C for several people. We know for a fact he was plan B for UL.

He was going to be #1 for many if we had gone 12-0 in 2019 for sure. I could have seen him with 2-3 P5 offers as the #1 candidate then.

As for buyout, I'm not sure why schools lower it. When JMU redid Mike Houston's deal they should have set a high buyout or not extended. I don't get why ADs extend deals and lower buyout. When you know they are looking to go all you did was just get less money when the guy goes. If anything, you should raise the buyout so you get more when they go or just leave the deal the same and not extend until 1-2 years left.

I disagree. He was in the topic of conversation with almost every P5 opening in the South. He may not have been anyone's first choice, but I would guess he was/would have been top 3 on almost every opening. I would say he would have been a WV mountaineer before Brown if he was still available. DG even said in his press conference after Satterfield left that he had been preparing for this for a couple years. He may not have been in "high" demand as you said, but when his name comes up in virtually every opening, whether a #1 choice or #2, I would consider that to be "in demand" as I stated in my post.
We all knew this time was coming, thats why I (along with many others on this board) said Satts buyout should have been more when his contract was restructured this summer.