GS Troubles with NCAA

[hapapp]

It sounds to me GS handled this properly. They continued to investigate and self reported their findings. Apparently, the player in the initial infraction was suspended once it came to the administration's attention. Not sure he played in any SBC games. Sounds like the other infraction occur after the season was over.

Let's not pretend this is some big scandal that gave GS some great edge. Moreover, it's poor form to celebrate another's misfortune especially when it doesn't appear this was endemic of the entire program.

[SpeedkingATL]

When Baylor and Ole Miss suddenly went from just okay programs to top 10ish seemingly overnight it didn't pass the smell test and what do you know? Problems galore at both programs. Not comparing GSU and they had a considerable amount of success at the FCS level but when they all of a sudden were ultra competitive immediately at the FBS level and were landing 3 star recruits I shook my head. Who in the hell wants to go to that armpit and play ball? Are they legitimately landing top recruits and are those "student athletes" making it in the classroom? All of this is prefaced with a really big "hmmm". Guess we will see.

To be fair, Southern is not accused of any recruiting violations as far as I can tell. I don't think Baylor was either, though I certainly wouldn't be shocked. Now Ole Miss...

You have to realize how many strong high school football programs there are here in the state of Georgia. It is not surprising that with their success on the field GS gets a lot of the better players that don't go P5 and want to play close to home. Once GSU gets stabilized they should do the same thing. Look at how many App players, especially skill position guys come out of GA high schools.

It appears GS handled this well and it should only have minimal effect on them as long as they don't screw up again the next two years while on probation....then things could really go south.

[iambhooper]

I lost what very little respect I had for them in 2007 when they knew along with everyone else that Armanti was injured (his knee I think, can't remember). What did they do on EVERY play?? Went after his knees time and time and time again. That is dirty pool, totally unsportsmanlike and proves why they are a poor man's georgia state. I wouldn't spit or pee on any of their fans if they were on fire a bunch of lowlife trash. I hope the hammer is dropped on them and their punishment makes SMU's death sentence look like a slap on the wrist.

I appreciate having a competitive rival, but the bastards deserve anything and everything that can and will happen to them! That said, we'll get ours too, one day.

[ASU84]

If you are on probation, does that not mean no bowling?

[hapapp]

If you are on probation, does that not mean no bowling?

It essentially means don't screw up again. There is no postseason ban.

[AtlAppMan]

I want OUR program to succeed regardless of what other programs in our conference, G5 and P5 worlds do. I want us to run a clean program and be recognized as beating our opponents when they are at their best/strongest. I don't want people making excuses or saying we beat them because x, y, z excuse. I want us to be that good. I don't want ill for our conference mates either because it is just another excuse for people to say we play weaker opponents. I want the conference to rise but us to rise higher.

[DaphneUrquhart]

I believe our goal should always be to be The Best ... not The Better Than ... at whatever we do either individually or collectively.

I take no pride or pleasure in the GaSo sanctions. They're completely irrelevant to me. What makes a difference to me is whether or not we're running the finest programs possible - both on and off the field.

Go Apps!

[Rekdiver]

As Mr. Wonderful says: "Georgia Southern is dead to me"

[fjblair]

I lost what very little respect I had for them in 2007 when they knew along with everyone else that Armanti was injured (his knee I think, can't remember). What did they do on EVERY play?? Went after his knees time and time and time again. That is dirty pool, totally unsportsmanlike and proves why they are a poor man's georgia state. I wouldn't spit or pee on any of their fans if they were on fire a bunch of lowlife trash. I hope the hammer is dropped on them and their punishment makes SMU's death sentence look like a slap on the wrist.

That was nine years ago, get over it. Those players are gone, the coach is gone and the students are gone. It's a different era. I don't see how hoping for bad stuff to happen to GS or any other conference team benefits ASU, the Sun Belt or frankly anyone. Big picture.

[NattyBumppo'sRevenge]

I lost what very little respect I had for them in 2007 when they knew along with everyone else that Armanti was injured (his knee I think, can't remember). What did they do on EVERY play?? Went after his knees time and time and time again. That is dirty pool, totally unsportsmanlike and proves why they are a poor man's georgia state. I wouldn't spit or pee on any of their fans if they were on fire a bunch of lowlife trash. I hope the hammer is dropped on them and their punishment makes SMU's death sentence look like a slap on the wrist.

I would pee on them in any circumstance.

[NattyBumppo'sRevenge]

Southern's sanctions aren't harsh at all. Other than possibly vacating the conference title and/or bowl win, they're barely a slap on the wrist. No postseason ban, a total of two scholarships lost, nominal recruiting restrictions, a fine they could pay out of their couch cushions. And unlike UNC, Southern actually had direct involvement by athletic department personnel, both in the cheating and in the cover-up.

Southern got off very light.

Uh, did I miss something? Roy Williams, Dean Smith, Wayne Walden, Anson Dorance, Mike Fox, Sylvia Hatchell, John Blake, Bill Gutheridge...are they not considered part of the athletic department? They were neck deep in that shit. Now, did the NCAA give them a pass? And comparing coverups between the two is comedic, perhaps your post is satirical and it just went over my head.

[NattyBumppo'sRevenge]

It sounds to me GS handled this properly. They continued to investigate and self reported their findings. Apparently, the player in the initial infraction was suspended once it came to the administration's attention. Not sure he played in any SBC games. Sounds like the other infraction occur after the season was over.

Let's not pretend this is some big scandal that gave GS some great edge. Moreover, it's poor form to celebrate another's misfortune especially when it doesn't appear this was endemic of the entire program.

I see what you did there, nice!

[EastHallApp]

Southern's sanctions aren't harsh at all. Other than possibly vacating the conference title and/or bowl win, they're barely a slap on the wrist. No postseason ban, a total of two scholarships lost, nominal recruiting restrictions, a fine they could pay out of their couch cushions. And unlike UNC, Southern actually had direct involvement by athletic department personnel, both in the cheating and in the cover-up.

Southern got off very light.

Uh, did I miss something? Roy Williams, Dean Smith, Wayne Walden, Anson Dorance, Mike Fox, Sylvia Hatchell, John Blake, Bill Gutheridge...are they not considered part of the athletic department? They were neck deep in that shit. Now, did the NCAA give them a pass? And comparing coverups between the two is comedic, perhaps your post is satirical and it just went over my head.

The only person you mentioned who has been implicated in the academic issues at UNC is Walden (in the Wainstein Report - he's not accused of any NCAA violations), and he was not an athletic dept employee. (Blake was tied to agent- and benefit-related violations, but that's a different issue, and one for which UNC received much harsher sanctions than Southern did here, FWIW).

Everyone accused of violations at UNC worked on the academic side or in academic support. Maybe you believe that distinction is irrelevant, or maybe you believe, as many do, that the coaches must have known more than they've admitted about the paper classes. That's fine, but it's speculation. In Southern's case, the two members of the AD are directly implicated by the NCAA. That's fact. That's the only comparison I made between the two.

[eggers76]

Wayne Walden was brought over from Kansas by Roy, not the "academic side". The big difference is that schools like UNC and most of the P5 is they have much more money to put into academic support side than most of the G5's like GS and App have available. What happened at GS could certainly happen at App or anywhere else so its hard for me to be too judgemental unless it becomes a pattern. There are way too many email documents available that indicate athletics personnel knew (if not named) what was going on in UNC's case to give them any benefit of the doubt. Just my opinion.

[Rekdiver]

Dont give a rat's ass about what happens in UNC...has no bearing on us. Dont really care what happens to GS either except for the kids that may suffer a grown-ups screwups. I also wish we would get over this angry UNC envy and realize we are just as good and start acting like it.

[NattyBumppo'sRevenge]

Dont give a rat's ass about what happens in UNC...has no bearing on us. Dont really care what happens to GS either except for the kids that may suffer a grown-ups screwups. I also wish we would get over this angry UNC envy and realize we are just as good and start acting like it.

You should care about what happens at UNC, it directly affects all schools in the UNC system.

[NattyBumppo'sRevenge]

Southern's sanctions aren't harsh at all. Other than possibly vacating the conference title and/or bowl win, they're barely a slap on the wrist. No postseason ban, a total of two scholarships lost, nominal recruiting restrictions, a fine they could pay out of their couch cushions. And unlike UNC, Southern actually had direct involvement by athletic department personnel, both in the cheating and in the cover-up.

Southern got off very light.

Uh, did I miss something? Roy Williams, Dean Smith, Wayne Walden, Anson Dorance, Mike Fox, Sylvia Hatchell, John Blake, Bill Gutheridge...are they not considered part of the athletic department? They were neck deep in that shit. Now, did the NCAA give them a pass? And comparing coverups between the two is comedic, perhaps your post is satirical and it just went over my head.

The only person you mentioned who has been implicated in the academic issues at UNC is Walden (in the Wainstein Report - he's not accused of any NCAA violations), and he was not an athletic dept employee. (Blake was tied to agent- and benefit-related violations, but that's a different issue, and one for which UNC received much harsher sanctions than Southern did here, FWIW).

Everyone accused of violations at UNC worked on the academic side or in academic support. Maybe you believe that distinction is irrelevant, or maybe you believe, as many do, that the coaches must have known more than they've admitted about the paper classes. That's fine, but it's speculation. In Southern's case, the two members of the AD are directly implicated by the NCAA. That's fact. That's the only comparison I made between the two.

Alright, I understand. The difference is in what the NCAA alleged towards both, not what actually happened. My apologies.

[Rekdiver]

Dont give a rat's ass about what happens in UNC...has no bearing on us. Dont really care what happens to GS either except for the kids that may suffer a grown-ups screwups. I also wish we would get over this angry UNC envy and realize we are just as good and start acting like it.

You should care about what happens at UNC, it directly affects all schools in the UNC system.

The academic fraud has no impact on us. Each school is accredited separately.

[NattyBumppo'sRevenge]

Dont give a rat's ass about what happens in UNC...has no bearing on us. Dont really care what happens to GS either except for the kids that may suffer a grown-ups screwups. I also wish we would get over this angry UNC envy and realize we are just as good and start acting like it.

You should care about what happens at UNC, it directly affects all schools in the UNC system.

The academic fraud has no impact on us. Each school is accredited separately.

Except when the BOG run by UNC issues reform that applies to the whole system so as not to put them at any disadvantage.

[Rekdiver]

Dont give a rat's ass about what happens in UNC...has no bearing on us. Dont really care what happens to GS either except for the kids that may suffer a grown-ups screwups. I also wish we would get over this angry UNC envy and realize we are just as good and start acting like it.

You should care about what happens at UNC, it directly affects all schools in the UNC system.

The academic fraud has no impact on us. Each school is accredited separately.

Except when the BOG run by UNC issues reform that applies to the whole system so as not to put them at any disadvantage.

And an example that would be a problem for us?