GA State doesn't want GA Southern in SB

[appst89]

As it applies to ASU, I know I'm starting to sound like a broken record here, but do you have any evidence that Charlotte refuses to play Appalachian? I'm not disputing your comments, but I'd like to see that. What makes you say that it is 100% Judy Rose' fault that we don't play you guys?

Wellllll, as an ASU grad I may not be as smart as a UNC-Concord grad haling from Clayton....but you could start by looking at the schedule! ....in any freaking sport!.....and then look at the historical series...in any freaking sport....You played us at one time, and I hope you are required to play us again someday....in the same conference!

No thank you. I'm never in favor of pols getting involved in athletics scheduling, Especially on our behalf. It makes us look like tattle-tales

I think he meant required because we are in the same conference not because the legislature intervened.

[HeffnerIV]

As it applies to ASU, I know I'm starting to sound like a broken record here, but do you have any evidence that Charlotte refuses to play Appalachian? I'm not disputing your comments, but I'd like to see that. What makes you say that it is 100% Judy Rose' fault that we don't play you guys?

Wellllll, as an ASU grad I may not be as smart as a UNC-Concord grad haling from Clayton....but you could start by looking at the schedule! ....in any freaking sport!.....and then look at the historical series...in any freaking sport....You played us at one time, and I hope you are required to play us again someday....in the same conference!

No thank you. I'm never in favor of pols getting involved in athletics scheduling, Especially on our behalf. It makes us look like tattle-tales

I think he meant required because we are in the same conference not because the legislature intervened.

Gotcha. I stand corrected.

[asutrnr81]

thanks 89....I was going to clarify! They can't duck us in the same conference!

[TheMoody1]

I think the main concern of this board should be, will UNCC play Liberty?

[Appsolutely]

I think the main concern of this board should be, will UNCC play Liberty?

No, because UNCC is a bunch of vaginal probes.

[Maddog1956]

thanks 89....I was going to clarify! They can't duck us in the same conference!

Same conference or not, if APPState ends up a FBS school I hope we get to play UNCC some times. I know the fans (of both schools) want it. Also let's not think they are going to be a pushover for many years. They have some very good players coming out of Meck/Charlotte schools that may choose UNCC to stay home. Look at their soccer program for example. Mostly local boys that most likely could have went anywhere, even UNC.

I also hope we can schedule WCU also. I'd hate to see the "the best football rivalry you've never heard of" (according to SI), the Battle for the Old Mountain Jug died out. I know we can play only so many non conference games so I don't even know if we could get UNCC and WCU in the same year. It would be good to me if we end up in the SB to swap UNCC/ECU as we could but play WCU every year. It would be good for them and good for us.

[TheMoody1]

thanks 89....I was going to clarify! They can't duck us in the same conference!

Same conference or not, if APPState ends up a FBS school I hope we get to play UNCC some times. I know the fans (of both schools) want it. Also let's not think they are going to be a pushover for many years. They have some very good players coming out of Meck/Charlotte schools that may choose UNCC to stay home. Look at their soccer program for example. Mostly local boys that most likely could have went anywhere, even UNC.

I also hope we can schedule WCU also. I'd hate to see the "the best football rivalry you've never heard of" (according to SI), the Battle for the Old Mountain Jug died out. I know we can play only so many non conference games so I don't even know if we could get UNCC and WCU in the same year. It would be good to me if we end up in the SB to swap UNCC/ECU as we could but play WCU every year. It would be good for them and good for us.

This fan couldn't care less if we ever schedule UNCC or the Can'tAmounts. I won't be upset if we do, but I look forward to a lot better games than that coming to KBS one day.

[ASUMountaineer]

thanks 89....I was going to clarify! They can't duck us in the same conference!

Same conference or not, if APPState ends up a FBS school I hope we get to play UNCC some times. I know the fans (of both schools) want it. Also let's not think they are going to be a pushover for many years. They have some very good players coming out of Meck/Charlotte schools that may choose UNCC to stay home. Look at their soccer program for example. Mostly local boys that most likely could have went anywhere, even UNC.

I also hope we can schedule WCU also. I'd hate to see the "the best football rivalry you've never heard of" (according to SI), the Battle for the Old Mountain Jug died out. I know we can play only so many non conference games so I don't even know if we could get UNCC and WCU in the same year. It would be good to me if we end up in the SB to swap UNCC/ECU as we could but play WCU every year. It would be good for them and good for us.

As bad as this may sound, you can't schedule a rivalry game with a trophy, with an FCS team if you're an FBS team. It's the same reason that ECU would never schedule an East vs. West game with App State as long as we're FCS (not they necessarily would if we were FBS).

[Maddog1956]

This fan couldn't care less if we ever schedule UNCC or the Can'tAmounts. I won't be upset if we do, but I look forward to a lot better games than that coming to KBS one day.

You may not but since the WCU home games are our attendance leaders year after year, I would say that most fans (the word "fans" does apply to both schools) do. Naturally we don't have numbers for UNCC football, but the fans (both schools) I talk to have a big interest in being able to travel to either school, and I could see that game becoming an attendance leader also. Also UNCC has the added benefit of a conference rivalry CUSA vs SB (or whatever). And since getting fans in the seats is the name of the game I don't see how we (or they) could pass up on it.

Now I'm sure that these "better games" in a lot of people minds will be will be Alabama, Auburn, Florida and LSU every year, but most likely there are going to be a lot of the S Miss, Tulane and Army also. Not to say fans wouldn't like to see these also (plus a few ACC teams) but I don't think you can totally dis in-state games, old rivals, and also teams that we have a good chance of winning against.

[JTApps1]

When we move up what's left of the WCU "rivalry" will be gone. We can keep the Jug in the trophy case for historical value, and send WCU a mini version to commemorate the few wins they had in the series. I'd be fine with a game vs. UNCC every year, but hope we can also rekindle our series with Wake. ECU should be on the schedule as much as possible too.

Edit: I'd be ok with playing WCU from time to time in Boone but not annually.

[BeauFoster]

You may not but since the WCU home games are our attendance leaders year after year, I would say that most fans (the word "fans" does apply to both schools) do. Naturally we don't have numbers for UNCC football, but the fans (both schools) I talk to have a big interest in being able to travel to either school, and I could see that game becoming an attendance leader also.

Now I'm sure that these "better games" in a lot of people minds will be will be Alabama, Auburn, Florida and LSU every year, but most likely there are going to be a lot of the S Miss, Tulane and Army also. Not to say fans wouldn't like to see these also (plus a few ACC teams) but I don't think you can totally dis in-state games, old rivals, and also teams that we have a good chance of winning against.

If we move to FBS, leaving WCU behind (where they belong), then ever travel to dullowhee for football, I'll personally walk into the Yosef office and demand a refund of my money.

[Maddog1956]

If we move to FBS, leaving WCU behind (where they belong), then ever travel to dullowhee for football, I'll personally walk into the Yosef office and demand a refund of my money.

It might be easier to keep your money (season tickets, YC?) and just pick the games you don't have a problem with because I'm sure your list of conditions is fairly long (scheduling, sitting, etc). Also I think that usually the FCS team is the one to travel (are the Wolverines coming here in 2014 and I don't know about it?)

BTW, I hate to burst you bubble, but I don't think that your being there will be a huge factor in the scheduling. Something tells me that ticket sales, etc will have a little more input.

[ImfromClayton]

As it applies to ASU, I know I'm starting to sound like a broken record here, but do you have any evidence that Charlotte refuses to play Appalachian? I'm not disputing your comments, but I'd like to see that. What makes you say that it is 100% Judy Rose' fault that we don't play you guys?

Wellllll, as an ASU grad I may not be as smart as a UNC-Concord grad haling from Clayton....but you could start by looking at the schedule! ....in any freaking sport!.....and then look at the historical series...in any freaking sport....You played us at one time, and I hope you are required to play us again someday....in the same conference!

Let me clarify: Please prove to me that it is our Athletic Department, not yours, or even some combination of both (my personal opinion), that is making those decisions. I think you are missing my point. I was advocating playing Appalachian more often. Our AD's have a miserable relationship, that is pretty clear, but it's neither one of them's fault. Both programs look down their nose at each other, when in all honesty, neither of us should be doing that.

[Maddog1956]

As bad as this may sound, you can't schedule a rivalry game with a trophy, with an FCS team if you're an FBS team. It's the same reason that ECU would never schedule an East vs. West game with App State as long as we're FCS (not they necessarily would if we were FBS).

The rivalry has been since 1932, the trophy since 1976, I don't think the trophy matters as much as the series does to some. All I'm saying is let's don't think that we're going to go into the FBS and blow everyone away and never look back. It might be good to build in some huge attendance games with low risk.

[ASUMountaineer]

As bad as this may sound, you can't schedule a rivalry game with a trophy, with an FCS team if you're an FBS team. It's the same reason that ECU would never schedule an East vs. West game with App State as long as we're FCS (not they necessarily would if we were FBS).

The rivalry has been since 1932, the trophy since 1976, I don't think the trophy matters as much as the series does to some. All I'm saying is let's don't think that we're going to go into the FBS and blow everyone away and never look back. It might be good to build in some huge attendance games with low risk.

Where in the world did you get that I was implying that? You may want to continue the series, and that's fine. However, the reality is such that if App State moves to the FBS it will not maintain the series annually and will never travel to Cullowhee. I'm all for playing WCU occasionally if we move to FBS, but not in an annual series.

[ImfromClayton]

As bad as this may sound, you can't schedule a rivalry game with a trophy, with an FCS team if you're an FBS team. It's the same reason that ECU would never schedule an East vs. West game with App State as long as we're FCS (not they necessarily would if we were FBS).

The rivalry has been since 1932, the trophy since 1976, I don't think the trophy matters as much as the series does to some. All I'm saying is let's don't think that we're going to go into the FBS and blow everyone away and never look back. It might be good to build in some huge attendance games with low risk.

Where in the world did you get that I was implying that? You may want to continue the series, and that's fine. However, the reality is such that if App State moves to the FBS it will not maintain the series annually and will never travel to Cullowhee. I'm all for playing WCU occasionally if we move to FBS, but not in an annual series.

Maybe this is stirring the pot a little too much, but this parallels our scheduling conversation, so I wanted to raise a question. If it is black and white that you guys would never go back to Cullowhee if App went FBS, then why do you expect a 1 for 1 from Charlotte in order to put them on the schedule? Not trying to anger people, but it's an honest question. I get that Charlotte is brand new to the game, and you all do have a great tradition, but if it's as black and white as insinuated for FCS/FBS, how can you blame Charlotte for our hypothetical game never taking place?

[GlassOnion]

Ive got no interest in playing WCU again. If/when we go FBS, we'll be in a position in which the only way we can advance ourselves, is to play the best opponents possible, and to win.

Every good opponent we play is an opportunity to advance the program. Playing Western is a wasted opportunity.

[ASUMountaineer]

As bad as this may sound, you can't schedule a rivalry game with a trophy, with an FCS team if you're an FBS team. It's the same reason that ECU would never schedule an East vs. West game with App State as long as we're FCS (not they necessarily would if we were FBS).

The rivalry has been since 1932, the trophy since 1976, I don't think the trophy matters as much as the series does to some. All I'm saying is let's don't think that we're going to go into the FBS and blow everyone away and never look back. It might be good to build in some huge attendance games with low risk.

Where in the world did you get that I was implying that? You may want to continue the series, and that's fine. However, the reality is such that if App State moves to the FBS it will not maintain the series annually and will never travel to Cullowhee. I'm all for playing WCU occasionally if we move to FBS, but not in an annual series.

Maybe this is stirring the pot a little too much, but this parallels our scheduling conversation, so I wanted to raise a question. If it is black and white that you guys would never go back to Cullowhee if App went FBS, then why do you expect a 1 for 1 from Charlotte in order to put them on the schedule? Not trying to anger people, but it's an honest question. I get that Charlotte is brand new to the game, and you all do have a great tradition, but if it's as black and white as insinuated for FCS/FBS, how can you blame Charlotte for our hypothetical game never taking place?

UNCC won't be full FBS until 2015. Seems pretty clear cut to me.

The discussion about the AD's is in regards to UNCC trying to put together it's first couple of schedules. At that time, presumably, App State wanted a home-and-home with UNCC, but UNCC was uninterested. This would have been while both programs were FCS. I have no idea on why UNCC and App State don't play each other, but I also give it virtually no thought.

[BeauFoster]

If we move to FBS, leaving WCU behind (where they belong), then ever travel to dullowhee for football, I'll personally walk into the Yosef office and demand a refund of my money.

It might be easier to keep your money (season tickets, YC?) and just pick the games you don't have a problem with because I'm sure your list of conditions is fairly long (scheduling, sitting, etc). Also I think that usually the FCS team is the one to travel (are the Wolverines coming here in 2014 and I don't know about it?)

BTW, I hate to burst you bubble, but I don't think that your being there will be a huge factor in the scheduling. Something tells me that ticket sales, etc will have a little more input.

Your original quote says that there is interest in traveling to "either school", implying that ASU would still be going to WCU to play football. I'm saying that won't happen when we move up.

The older fanbase still may see WCU as a rival but the younger fanbase doesn't. I'm in the middle and could care less if we ever play them again, in anything. I don't see them as THE football rival, and most of my similar-aged friends do not, either. The attendance for a WCU game is no different than GSU, Furman or Wofford in most years, and WCU travels better than any of those schools.

[Maddog1956]

Your original quote says that there is interest in traveling to "either school", implying that ASU would still be going to WCU to play football. I'm saying that won't happen when we move up.

The older fanbase still may see WCU as a rival but the younger fanbase doesn't. I'm in the middle and could care less if we ever play them again, in anything. I don't see them as THE football rival, and most of my similar-aged friends do not, either. The attendance for a WCU game is no different than GSU, Furman or Wofford in most years, and WCU travels better than any of those schools.

Sorry, when I said easy travel (or whatever I said, not going back to look) I meant they wouldn't have to travel (ie. some of the "better" teams we would have to play), that's why I said usually the FCS teams travel.

I'm not sure what younger fanbase you're talking about but last year I had a child at WCU and APP (now they are both at App, thank the Lord) but at both orientations they slammed each other (in a good way). You may never have driven around the WHEE with APP stickers on your car but I have and I know it's still there. I've seen skits at both schools with the other school being the butt of the joke as well. I've never ever even heard GSU, Furman or Wofford come up at either school unless it was about a specific game.

Maybe there is a disconnect with some in the middle but I haven't seen it. Me and my wife graduated APP in 82 and 84 and it was there then and there now.

You might think attendance is the same but here are the numbers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Appal ... tball_team (just change the year to see for each year). BTW, 2009 would be next in line for a home game. WCU is the highest for 2011 and 2009 and I think close to being the highest for 2007. Now that could change but it tells me that the rivalry is still there for most folks and most important... for ticket sales.