If the Big 12 gets shut out of the CFP we may see a stronger push to eliminate the NCAA requirement of 12 teams for conference championship game. Would love this for the Sun Belt in the short term so we aren't dependent on adding schools to fit this requirement. All FBS conferences should have one "true" champion with having a conference champ game IMO.

To play devils advocate it could drive them to expand to 12 which could hurt us.

If OSU leaps two more deserving Big XII teams to get into this playoff then all hell will break loose, and rightfully so, in my opinion.

appst89 wrote:If OSU leaps two more deserving Big XII teams to get into this playoff then all hell will break loose, and rightfully so, in my opinion.

Totally agree. I'm pulling for chaos which helps make the case to change conference champ game rules and help make the case to move towards an 8 team playoff.

8 Team playoff using the top 7 bowls. Rotate bowls so each has a Nat Champ game each 7 years. Payouts are the same for each bowl except the LOSER gets the highest payout except for the Nat Champ game, that way each team, win or lose, makes more money than the current system. 5 P5 champs (however that conf decides a champ, their choice), highest ranked G5, and 2 at-large.

Ex: Lets just say each bowl pays $10M and normally goes $4M to loser and $6M to winner, now if you lose first game, you get $2M more. If someone wins first round and loses 2nd, they get $10M total. If you win 1st two and lose Nat Champ, you get $12M and if you win you get $14M. Everybody gets more money and that's ALL ANYONE seems to care about anyway.

appst89 wrote:If OSU leaps two more deserving Big XII teams to get into this playoff then all hell will break loose, and rightfully so, in my opinion.

Disagree. People who just don't like OSU and/or the Big Ten might feel that way, but realistically those last three teams were very close and I don't see how anyone who saw the B1G championship game could argue that OSU wasn't at least a credible choice.

Here we go. Things just got a lot more interesting. This is the one thing that could push past the lawsuits and the pay to play, union stuff that's been stopping movement so far. Now all bets are off.

EastHallApp wrote:

appst89 wrote:If OSU leaps two more deserving Big XII teams to get into this playoff then all hell will break loose, and rightfully so, in my opinion.

Disagree. People who just don't like OSU and/or the Big Ten might feel that way, but realistically those last three teams were very close and I don't see how anyone who saw the B1G championship game could argue that OSU wasn't at least a credible choice.

Credible choice or not, I disagree with looking at what they did yesterday. What happened to body of work? TCU beat four top 25 teams and their one loss was on the road to #5. Baylor and OSU both beat three top #25 teams. Baylor's lone loss was on the road to a good WV team. OSU lost at home to a decent Va Tech. If the committee is going to keep bumping the undefeated, defending National Champs down for winning against their schedule then they are looking at body of work. So why look at what OSU did yesterday as a cause to move them up.

I really think that the Ohio State, TCU, Baylor scenario allowed the selection committee a very political out. It allowed the committee to say, look at what Ohio State did to Wisconsin (whose AD, Barry Alvarez, is on the committee) and thereby punt on putting Baylor or TCU in ahead of the other.

They really went against their logic from just last week when they put TCU at #3. How could they drop them to #6 after they pounded Iowa State, albeit not a very good team, by more than 50 points. TCU could have beaten them by much more if they wanted to. How many points would it take for the committee to allow TCU to keep the #3 ranking? 75, 90 , 125?

By putting Ohio State in the committee very conveniently got to sidestep the head to head controversy of the TCU Baylor game.

It also tacitly implied that you need to win a conference championship game, not just be a conference champion to get on the field.

I think more than what it says about conference championship games I think it will cause an eventual change from the 4 teams to a 6 or 8 team playoff scenario in the not too distant future.

My personal opinion is that Ohio State was probably deserving, however the weakest team of all of the 6 teams in consideration was Florida State. With a 6 or 8 team playoff that question would have been moot.

You hit the nail on the head new. They completely changed their philosophy and criteria from last week.

As for FSU being the weakest of the six, I have to disagree. They aren't beating teams in the dominant fashion as last year but they did beat all comers. They lost a lot from last year' steam so it would stand to reason that they might not dominate like last year or even be undefeated, but they are.

EastHallApp wrote:

appst89 wrote:If OSU leaps two more deserving Big XII teams to get into this playoff then all hell will break loose, and rightfully so, in my opinion.

Disagree. People who just don't like OSU and/or the Big Ten might feel that way, but realistically those last three teams were very close and I don't see how anyone who saw the B1G championship game could argue that OSU wasn't at least a credible choice.

The Big 10 was extremely weak. I think TCU and Baylor were markedly better than anything the Big 10 had to offer. The committee completely destroyed any credibility they may have had with what they did today. It was nothing short of a fix.

No Sun Belt team will ever deserve to be in the CFP. It is foolish to think App State would ever make the top 8.

App State will be able to compete for a national title when the G5 league is able to form it's own championship system. I hope that comes ASAP because it will be awesome.

Until then, talk of App State in this playoff is pure insanity.

APPARJ wrote:No Sun Belt team will ever deserve to be in the CFP. It is foolish to think App State would ever make the top 8.

App State will be able to compete for a national title when the G5 league is able to form it's own championship system. I hope that comes ASAP because it will be awesome.

Until then, talk of App State in this playoff is pure insanity.

In a four team playoff, you are correct. If they go to eight, there is absolutely no reason to believe that App, or another Sun Belt team could not crack the top 8.

appst89 wrote:

APPARJ wrote:No Sun Belt team will ever deserve to be in the CFP. It is foolish to think App State would ever make the top 8.

App State will be able to compete for a national title when the G5 league is able to form it's own championship system. I hope that comes ASAP because it will be awesome.

Until then, talk of App State in this playoff is pure insanity.

In a four team playoff, you are correct. If they go to eight, there is absolutely no reason to believe that App, or another Sun Belt team could not crack the top 8.

It depends on how the 8 teams are selected. If they are selected by one from each of the P5 conferences and one from ALL of the G5 conferences then ASU would have a chance.

If however, the G5 spot has to meet a ranking number to get in they might get snubbed at least for the near future. I believe that Marshall would not have got to the big bowls this year even if they had beaten WKU and were undefeated because I think that Boise State ranked ahead of them in the top 25.

All this talk of a playoff is ridicules. Four teams is not a playoff it is an end of year tournament with four teams invited. To call it anything else is just silly.

AppSt94 wrote:

EastHallApp wrote:

appst89 wrote:If OSU leaps two more deserving Big XII teams to get into this playoff then all hell will break loose, and rightfully so, in my opinion.

Disagree. People who just don't like OSU and/or the Big Ten might feel that way, but realistically those last three teams were very close and I don't see how anyone who saw the B1G championship game could argue that OSU wasn't at least a credible choice.

Credible choice or not, I disagree with looking at what they did yesterday. What happened to body of work? TCU beat four top 25 teams and their one loss was on the road to #5. Baylor and OSU both beat three top #25 teams. Baylor's lone loss was on the road to a good WV team. OSU lost at home to a decent Va Tech. If the committee is going to keep bumping the undefeated, defending National Champs down for winning against their schedule then they are looking at body of work. So why look at what OSU did yesterday as a cause to move them up. TCU beat a higher ranked team than OSU yesterday.

One, because margin of victory matters. And two, because OSU was playing their first game since losing JT Barrett and needed to show that they wouldn't drop off too much without him.

I wonder if there is any chance that either Baylor, or TCU, or both might consider declining their bowl bid as a protest of this travesty? The amount of money involved likely precludes any such actions, but it would certainly be a strong statement.

EastHallApp wrote:

AppSt94 wrote:

EastHallApp wrote:

appst89 wrote:If OSU leaps two more deserving Big XII teams to get into this playoff then all hell will break loose, and rightfully so, in my opinion.

Disagree. People who just don't like OSU and/or the Big Ten might feel that way, but realistically those last three teams were very close and I don't see how anyone who saw the B1G championship game could argue that OSU wasn't at least a credible choice.

Credible choice or not, I disagree with looking at what they did yesterday. What happened to body of work? TCU beat four top 25 teams and their one loss was on the road to #5. Baylor and OSU both beat three top #25 teams. Baylor's lone loss was on the road to a good WV team. OSU lost at home to a decent Va Tech. If the committee is going to keep bumping the undefeated, defending National Champs down for winning against their schedule then they are looking at body of work. So why look at what OSU did yesterday as a cause to move them up. TCU beat a higher ranked team than OSU yesterday.

One, because margin of victory matters. And two, because OSU was playing their first game since losing JT Barrett and needed to show that they wouldn't drop off too much without him.

Fair enough but if you are saying that the best team in the Big is 59 points better than the second best then what does that say about the league?

EastHallApp wrote:

appst89 wrote:If OSU leaps two more deserving Big XII teams to get into this playoff then all hell will break loose, and rightfully so, in my opinion.

Disagree. People who just don't like OSU and/or the Big Ten might feel that way, but realistically those last three teams were very close and I don't see how anyone who saw the B1G championship game could argue that OSU wasn't at least a credible choice.

I would argue that TCU, Baylor, and OSU were all very deserving of the 4th spot. This strengthens the case for an 8 team playoff and will push the Big 12 to petition the NCAA to change CCG rules. I doubt if forced expansion is the Big 12's first choice to fix this.

APPARJ wrote:No Sun Belt team will ever deserve to be in the CFP. It is foolish to think App State would ever make the top 8.

App State will be able to compete for a national title when the G5 league is able to form it's own championship system. I hope that comes ASAP because it will be awesome.

Until then, talk of App State in this playoff is pure insanity.

Oh, yay. The FCS again. No thanks.