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Re: New Chancellor search

Unread post by BeauFoster » Mon Jul 08, 2013 11:26 am

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One of the girls who helped with our civic club's concessions owes nearly 80,000 dollars in student loans from attending UNC-W for only two and a half years or so.

She got ripped off. (Also, I hope she was out of state. Otherwise, she was totally over-loaned.)
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Re: New Chancellor search

Unread post by asutrnr81 » Mon Jul 08, 2013 11:40 am

BeauFoster wrote:
JCline0429 wrote:
One of the girls who helped with our civic club's concessions owes nearly 80,000 dollars in student loans from attending UNC-W for only two and a half years or so.

She got ripped off. (Also, I hope she was out of state. Otherwise, she was totally over-loaned.)
I'd almost say she did that to herself. There are CLEAR options not to be in that kind of debt after 2 years.....unless she was out of state!
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Re: New Chancellor search

Unread post by asutrnr81 » Mon Jul 08, 2013 11:50 am

wataugan03 wrote:...A lot of luck (like the recession) goes into all of this, even really troubling things like the no-confidence vote. In my mind the most important thing is finding someone who can fix the rift between faculty and administration, raise our reputation , and get more money for academic programs as the state continues to cut funding. I'm content leaving athletics to the AD, and I don't really care how much the next chancellor cares about athletics. We have bigger problems to deal with.
The No-confidence vote was more about "academic freedom" and that encroachment IMO....The rift between faculty and administration is nothing that a few good years of funding will not correct. It is effecting everything K-16....***My son had the professor that the rift originated with. I gave him NO heads up but as a parent was ready to intervene. He commented that one of his professors was CONSTANTLY battering the Chancellor and athletics. To the point he did not want her to know he even liked athletics. It was not a class he particularly enjoyed and laid low the whole semester. I told him about midway through the semester the situation but talked to him about how to handle people like her.**** It was not a good learning environment.

I want us all to advocated and seek out opportunities for more professional programs but in these budget times, that looks very difficult.....and anyone who believes that the Chancellor does not impact athletics is not connected to the current times.

The biggest problem we have to deal with resides in Raleigh and their blind support of anything not public!
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Re: New Chancellor search

Unread post by Saint3333 » Mon Jul 08, 2013 11:51 am

There is no personal accountablity any longer.

If you can't afford something, don't buy it. This lady took the max amount they offered, which will include "living expenses" and I use that term very loosely.

$80k of undergraduate debt, in or out of state tuition, at one of the 16 NC public schools in under three years means she made some poor decisions.

Every high school kid needs to take a personal finance course before graduating. Being naive is a HUGE issue.

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Re: New Chancellor search

Unread post by JCline0429 » Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:00 pm

Saint3333 wrote:There is no personal accountablity any longer.

If you can't afford something, don't buy it. This lady took the max amount they offered, which will include "living expenses" and I use that term very loosely.

$80k of undergraduate debt, in or out of state tuition, at one of the 16 NC public schools in under three years means she made some poor decisions.

Every high school kid needs to take a personal finance course before graduating. Being naive is a HUGE issue.

It all may not have all been student loans and she had no help from home. She may have had to live off campus and purchase a car. I don't know the details. It's possible I forgot the amount. It was a couple of years ago or so that she mentioned it.
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Re: New Chancellor search

Unread post by bcoach » Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:38 pm

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T-Dog wrote:SAT scores can only go up so much. Can't put too much stock into that nowadays since it's going up everywhere. One area that improvement could use some imporvement is the four-year graduation rate.

For those who think the chancellor has little effect on athletics, you are badly mistaken. If the chancellor doesn't maintain the front porch, then less people will want to come into the house.

One area I would like a new chancellor to be proactive in is the pursuit of getting App State more professional degrees and one day become a doctorate-level university. Also, they should embrace the programs that the school is historically known for (teaching, alternative energy, etc).
The four year graduation rate is not an end-all tell-all. There are many reasons for a student not graduating in four years. I, myself, just barely made it in four years partly because I had to drop out temporarily in order to earn some money to continue paying tuition and expenses. One of the girls who helped with our civic club's concessions owes nearly 80,000 dollars in student loans from attending UNC-W for only two and a half years or so.
What was she doing with the money? 80,000 for two years at uncw?

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Re: New Chancellor search

Unread post by JCline0429 » Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:47 pm

I don't know, she could have had medical bills, helping her family, or any other things that I don't know about. It could have been 18K, I don't recall.
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Re: New Chancellor search

Unread post by ASUMountaineer » Mon Jul 08, 2013 2:18 pm

JCline0429 wrote:I don't know, she could have had medical bills, helping her family, or any other things that I don't know about. It could have been 18K, I don't recall.
That's a big, and substantial, difference given the point you were trying to make. :shock:
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Re: New Chancellor search

Unread post by JCline0429 » Mon Jul 08, 2013 3:00 pm

ASUMountaineer wrote:
JCline0429 wrote:I don't know, she could have had medical bills, helping her family, or any other things that I don't know about. It could have been 18K, I don't recall.
That's a big, and substantial, difference given the point you were trying to make. :shock:
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Re: New Chancellor search

Unread post by DoubleA » Mon Jul 08, 2013 7:40 pm

I hope the next Chancellor will focus on winning championships in the classroom and will set goals for gaining national prominence in core competencies. I was shocked to see that JMU now has top 25 undergraduate business program. There's no reason why Walker College of Business cannot achieve similar recognition, given resources, focus and attention. This translates into better jobs for our graduates, who in turn will be able to contribute more money to their Alma Mater, over time.

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Re: New Chancellor search

Unread post by Rekdiver » Mon Jul 08, 2013 10:36 pm

shocked that JMU has a top B school? Are you shocked they have among the highest student fees in the nation?

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Re: New Chancellor search

Unread post by DoubleA » Tue Jul 09, 2013 5:36 am

shocked that JMU has a top B school? Are you shocked they have among the highest student fees in the nation?
It is well known that JMU has very high student athletic fees, which are needed to support their varsity athletic programs

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Re: New Chancellor search

Unread post by Maddog1956 » Tue Jul 09, 2013 3:20 pm

T-Dog wrote:
One area I would like a new chancellor to be proactive in is the pursuit of getting App State more professional degrees and one day become a doctorate-level university. Also, they should embrace the programs that the school is historically known for (teaching, alternative energy, etc).
I agree! We have shown that we can be the top of the mountain (sorry for the pun) in many of the degree fields we provide, but I think that we have to increase our offerings more. Nursing was great and we have proved we can handle it now we need to step up the pace. Not saying we want/need to be a diploma mill, but I'd like to see more in the medical area and maybe something new in the legal field. I think several areas could use doctorate level programs also.
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Re: New Chancellor search

Unread post by moehler » Tue Jul 09, 2013 6:41 pm

Speaking of medical, I attended the App fundraising tour 4 -5 months ago in West Palm Beach. Peacock spoke of a potential partnership with Wake Forest in the medical field. He hesitated, anger came across his face, and said he didn't know if it would proceed, becouse an outside source is opposed to it happening. he would not say who, but it was obvious it upset him. What I got from this is Peacock and the administration are trying to address upgrading academic degrees, but there are outside forces that could provide roadblocks. How that works, I have no idea, maybe one of you guys could enlighten me.

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Unread post by ASU-FTW » Tue Jul 09, 2013 7:37 pm

moehler wrote:an outside source is opposed to it happening.
Probably those d bags in Chapel Hell.

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Re: New Chancellor search

Unread post by firemoose » Tue Jul 09, 2013 11:26 pm

moehler wrote:Speaking of medical, I attended the App fundraising tour 4 -5 months ago in West Palm Beach. Peacock spoke of a potential partnership with Wake Forest in the medical field. He hesitated, anger came across his face, and said he didn't know if it would proceed, becouse an outside source is opposed to it happening. he would not say who, but it was obvious it upset him. What I got from this is Peacock and the administration are trying to address upgrading academic degrees, but there are outside forces that could provide roadblocks. How that works, I have no idea, maybe one of you guys could enlighten me.
As of right now there is already a partnership with Wake Forest that is organizing and preparing as we speak. An announcement with all the information is scheduled for the beginning of the school year in August. App is becoming a satellite campus for the Wake Forest PA degree program that will be taught here using a combination of Wake and App faculty. More programs are being discussed but this program is fully funded and already set up with applications being accepted starting this fall for a summer/fall 2014 program start.

The biggest roadblock to becoming a doctorate-level university is that each department has to present a proposal to the state that shows how it will be funded, that it is a need based program, that the demand is there for graduates to find jobs, and about a hundred other things plus the big one; that there are not already several doctorate-level programs in the same field already in the state. That is the surest way of getting turned down. From what I was told this evening the Psychology Department submitted a proposal for a doctorate program recently and, by all accounts, it was an outstanding proposal that most were sure would be approved. But it's either been delayed or turned down outright. Not exactly sure which but I am going to try and find out.

It appears that there are several departments who would like to add a PhD program but there are many hurdles to getting the programs approved. And you can bet any other university in this state with a PhD program in those same fields will fight it. Hopefully the new adminstration will be ready to fight back.

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Re: New Chancellor search

Unread post by moehler » Wed Jul 10, 2013 7:39 am

thanks for the information firemoose, great to see that the Wake Forest colabration is going to happen. Im also glad to see depts. atleast trying to move forward with docutorals, but to be honest Im so sick and tired of other of outside influences, possibibly other schools, who have no direct connections to the school, telling us what we are, and aren't going to do. Im sure Im being nieve and this is the way its been done for many years, but Im sorry, it bothers me that schools such as Chapel Hill, virtually answer to no one, and we have to beg, and kiss ass to those idiots in Raleigh just to try and improve our school. As frustrated as we are about this, I cant imagine the level of frustration of Peacock and the administration have dealing with this on a daily basis.

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Re: New Chancellor search

Unread post by moonshine » Wed Jul 10, 2013 10:03 am

Excuse my ignorance on this subject but what road blocks/hurdles is App having issues with? Please be more specific than saying Chapel Hill or Raleigh.

Can someone please give examples from the past where we've had issues trying to improve our academic profile? What can be done to clear these hurdles? If we were able to privately fund a program or at least a large percentage of the program, would the roadblocks be the same? Could private funds lead to public funding if the program(s) showed viability?

With the move to the Sun Belt coming next year, I feel most here are satisfied. This is not to say we should be complacent and stop trying to improve donations and facilities (ie. consistently breaking and increasing upon the $3mil in Yosef contributions and the $200 mil campaign) but I believe the next focus needs to be an academic profile improvement campaign.

As stated earlier in the the thread, increasing doctoral programs should lead to higher contributions across the university from future alumni. Bring in several more medical programs via our partnership with Wake. Roll out a handful of legal programs through another possible partnership with Wake Law. I'd really like to see some engineering programs up on the mountain. Increase the computer science/information program's profile and get Walker College of Business ranked in the top quartile across the nation (if it isn't already).

All these sectors could lead to a much higher return for the university in the future. If we have to do it ourselves, so be it. The time of outside influence controlling what we do needs to come to an end. Mountaineers "mount up" and if marching on the capital or even Chapel Hill's campus is necessary for the betterment of our university, then that's what we must do. Just imagine 20k+ Mountaineer alumni and students rolling into the capital or UNC's campus asking for the shackles to be removed.

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Re: New Chancellor search

Unread post by bcoach » Wed Jul 10, 2013 10:15 am

moonshine wrote:Excuse my ignorance on this subject but what road blocks/hurdles is App having issues with? Please be more specific than saying Chapel Hill or Raleigh.

Can someone please give examples from the past where we've had issues trying to improve our academic profile? What can be done to clear these hurdles? If we were able to privately fund a program or at least a large percentage of the program, would the roadblocks be the same? Could private funds lead to public funding if the program(s) showed viability?

With the move to the Sun Belt coming next year, I feel most here are satisfied. This is not to say we should be complacent and stop trying to improve donations and facilities (ie. consistently breaking and increasing upon the $3mil in Yosef contributions and the $200 mil campaign) but I believe the next focus needs to be an academic profile improvement campaign.

As stated earlier in the the thread, increasing doctoral programs should lead to higher contributions across the university from future alumni. Bring in several more medical programs via our partnership with Wake. Roll out a handful of legal programs through another possible partnership with Wake Law. I'd really like to see some engineering programs up on the mountain. Increase the computer science/information program's profile and get Walker College of Business ranked in the top quartile across the nation (if it isn't already).

All these sectors could lead to a much higher return for the university in the future. If we have to do it ourselves, so be it. The time of outside influence controlling what we do needs to come to an end. Mountaineers "mount up" and if marching on the capital or even Chapel Hill's campus is necessary for the betterment of our university, then that's what we must do. Just imagine 20k+ Mountaineer alumni and students rolling into the capital or UNC's campus asking for the shackles to be removed.

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It is much more complicated than that, and no I don't have the particulars. Here is what I can tell you. UNC will fight all things medical going to another system school. They want it all. They have the representation and we don't, plain and simple.

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Re: New Chancellor search

Unread post by moonshine » Wed Jul 10, 2013 10:52 am

I get that it's complicated but my thinking is if we raise a big enough stink and get the media involved we could get things moving. The media loves protests and I feel they'd take particular interest if we showed up in force to tell our story of being held back by another institution that offers fake classes. Could they stall plans if we were able to privately fund programs?
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