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Re: University to address high risk drinking behaviors

Unread post by Gonzo » Fri Jul 19, 2013 1:26 pm

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APPRIDE wrote:What about this all day "pub crawl" being promoted by many of the bars in Boone (and some in Blowing Rock?! Driving?) on opening weekend, Saturday, of school this year?? which happens to be FanFest day which is supposed to be family friendly...is that a good tone to set for the year? I think not.

You're damn right it's a good way to set the tone. Why should one person's poor decisions change a great college town culture? The pub crawl will be from bar to bar, all of which check IDs. If underage drinking is a problem, crack down, but there is no reason to crack down on ADULTS.

Set what tone? Is it to show the parents and families that ASU is a good place for budding alcoholics? I didn't realize that drinking was necessarily a part of a college town's culture. Many parents send their children to ASU to become future teachers, not to be like the drunks at ECU.
I agree with APPRIDE's queries.
Well despite your prudish ways and your insistence that the world would be better off without fun, booze or any other sort of sinful behavior, you and the University don't have to right to dictate what private businesses do and how ADULTS spend their money and time.

I think the new students and parents will be happy to see Boone even more lively and bustling than usual and I highly doubt there is going to be people rolling around drunk in the streets or what ever sort of hellish sin-orgy you've envisioned.

I'd be there will bells on if I could.

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Re: University to address high risk drinking behaviors

Unread post by ASUMountaineer » Fri Jul 19, 2013 1:38 pm

Isn't this the same university that offers a "fermentation sciences" class? :lol:
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Re: University to address high risk drinking behaviors

Unread post by Gonzo » Fri Jul 19, 2013 1:47 pm

ASUMountaineer wrote:Isn't this the same university that offers a "fermentation sciences" class? :lol:
Yep. You can literally major in beer at App. I wish that was the case when I was there. I did all the homework for no credits.

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Re: University to address high risk drinking behaviors

Unread post by APPRIDE » Fri Jul 19, 2013 2:16 pm

Gonzo you said: "You're damn right it's a good way to set the tone. Why should one person's poor decisions change a great college town culture? The pub crawl will be from bar to bar, all of which check IDs. If underage drinking is a problem, crack down, but there is no reason to crack down on ADULTS."



See LKN_Lawyers post above this one. The immediate thought for a good portion of the target customers is “stumbling and bumbling”, when the term bar crawl is used. This is not a good example if we expect kids and young adults to resist the urge to drink heavily. Yes, "for the last 50 years, college kids have been getting drunk”, the problem nowadays is there are so many more consequences.

I am all for the drinking age to be 18. It’s ridiculous that young adults have to break the law to have beer or liquor. I am not saying the university in any way can/should dictate what private business does or that adults cannot enjoy this type of event. I love craft beer and going to all these bars but to have this event on the opening weekend of the fall semester is just one more example of why we shouldn’t expect any change in drinking behavior among young adults. It reinforces the "tone".

I also think it will compete w/ fan fest, not compliment it.

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Re: University to address high risk drinking behaviors

Unread post by APPRIDE » Fri Jul 19, 2013 2:19 pm

ASUMountaineer wrote:Isn't this the same university that offers a "fermentation sciences" class? :lol:

yeah and I have heard it is a top notch, highly selective and demanding major. Much chemistry and biology.

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Re: University to address high risk drinking behaviors

Unread post by Gonzo » Fri Jul 19, 2013 3:53 pm

If the timing is your only issue I guess that's fair enough, but JCline and what ever rubes compiled that list are seriously out of touch. Alcohol is not fundamentally evil and it is not their place to try and change a fun and vibrant college culture involving sovereign businesses and of-age adults, students or non-students.

What happened with the kid dying in Durham park was tragic, but adopting some radical policy based on one person's poor decisions is the same kind of fear mongering that's robbing this country of it's second amendment rights.

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Re: University to address high risk drinking behaviors

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Re: University to address high risk drinking behaviors

Unread post by Yosef84 » Sat Jul 20, 2013 12:21 pm

I agree that the article and the ideas suggested in it are totally ridiculous. I don't quite understand why that meant that JCline and anyone else who expresses an opinion different from yours has to be insulted though. The idea of a pub crawl is fine if it's done correctly. Most of the time, it involves a series of bars that are walking distance from each other, or transportation (shuttles) are provided for the event. The original post asked the question about driving. Nobody said that adults should be denied the right to drink alcohol.

I understand that some of you enjoy your alcohol, but maybe you should consider taking things down a notch.

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Re: University to address high risk drinking behaviors

Unread post by Gonzo » Sat Jul 20, 2013 1:48 pm

Yosef84 wrote:I agree that the article and the ideas suggested in it are totally ridiculous. I don't quite understand why that meant that JCline and anyone else who expresses an opinion different from yours has to be insulted though. The idea of a pub crawl is fine if it's done correctly. Most of the time, it involves a series of bars that are walking distance from each other, or transportation (shuttles) are provided for the event. The original post asked the question about driving. Nobody said that adults should be denied the right to drink alcohol.

I understand that some of you enjoy your alcohol, but maybe you should consider taking things down a notch.
I said they were out of touch. Never insulted anyone.

I don't think I'm cut out for what this country has become: The United States of the Offended.

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Re: University to address high risk drinking behaviors

Unread post by bcoach » Sat Jul 20, 2013 2:19 pm

I think the University gets involved in these kinds of things because they are trying to lookout for the welfare of the students. There is also something else to consider though and that is liability. If they do not go on record as trying to stop dangerous behavior such as over indulgence the liability could be staggering. The kid goes down the street( I know it is public ) stopping at every bar and gets smashed, then goes back to his or her dorm falls down the stairs and ends up with brain damage. You know that the University has got a problem. We all know nothing is going to change but at least the University will have something to say then they end up in court.

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Re: University to address high risk drinking behaviors

Unread post by Gonzo » Sat Jul 20, 2013 2:35 pm

bcoach wrote:I think the University gets involved in these kinds of things because they are trying to lookout for the welfare of the students. There is also something else to consider though and that is liability. If they do not go on record as trying to stop dangerous behavior such as over indulgence the liability could be staggering. The kid goes down the street( I know it is public ) stopping at every bar and gets smashed, then goes back to his or her dorm falls down the stairs and ends up with brain damage. You know that the University has got a problem. We all know nothing is going to change but at least the University will have something to say then they end up in court.
If a kid is 21, he/she is responsible for their own behavior and actions. Serving booze to underage kids is another story, but that isn't the debate here.

There is no possible scenario where the school would get sued for a student doing something stupid after getting drunk. Even of the kid was underage (like the Durham Park fatality) who ever provides the alcohol is responsible.

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Re: University to address high risk drinking behaviors

Unread post by Yosef84 » Sun Jul 21, 2013 1:08 pm

Gonzo wrote:
Yosef84 wrote:I agree that the article and the ideas suggested in it are totally ridiculous. I don't quite understand why that meant that JCline and anyone else who expresses an opinion different from yours has to be insulted though. The idea of a pub crawl is fine if it's done correctly. Most of the time, it involves a series of bars that are walking distance from each other, or transportation (shuttles) are provided for the event. The original post asked the question about driving. Nobody said that adults should be denied the right to drink alcohol.

I understand that some of you enjoy your alcohol, but maybe you should consider taking things down a notch.
I said they were out of touch. Never insulted anyone.

I don't think I'm cut out for what this country has become: The United States of the Offended.
If you think I'm "offended", you obviously don't know me at all. I tend towards moderate positions on these types of issues. I do have opinions, but I rarely get offended. I do appreciate manners, however. Especially in a forum like this where we all have something in common (our love to Appalachian), it just seems we could have a conversation occasionally without it getting into personal quips.

For the record, I agree about the whole "United States of the Offended" thing. If you think that was supposed to address me, you missed completely. I agree that the political correctness in this country is ridiculous. That being said, political correctness is not the same thing as manners.

I would point out a couple of other cutsie sayings while we're at it: United States of Hyperbole. This is where the only way a group can make an argument is by attempting to paint his "opponent" in the extreme and set up a straw man that can be attacked with trite hyperbolic statements.

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Re: University to address high risk drinking behaviors

Unread post by ASUMountaineer » Mon Jul 22, 2013 7:30 am

APPRIDE wrote:
ASUMountaineer wrote:Isn't this the same university that offers a "fermentation sciences" class? :lol:

yeah and I have heard it is a top notch, highly selective and demanding major. Much chemistry and biology.
Does that not seem to indicate a disconnect?
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Re: University to address high risk drinking behaviors

Unread post by JCline0429 » Mon Jul 22, 2013 3:03 pm

Gonzo wrote:
JCline0429 wrote:
Gonzo wrote:
APPRIDE wrote:What about this all day "pub crawl" being promoted by many of the bars in Boone (and some in Blowing Rock?! Driving?) on opening weekend, Saturday, of school this year?? which happens to be FanFest day which is supposed to be family friendly...is that a good tone to set for the year? I think not.

You're damn right it's a good way to set the tone. Why should one person's poor decisions change a great college town culture? The pub crawl will be from bar to bar, all of which check IDs. If underage drinking is a problem, crack down, but there is no reason to crack down on ADULTS.

Set what tone? Is it to show the parents and families that ASU is a good place for budding alcoholics? I didn't realize that drinking was necessarily a part of a college town's culture. Many parents send their children to ASU to become future teachers, not to be like the drunks at ECU.
I agree with APPRIDE's queries.
Well despite your prudish ways and your insistence that the world would be better off without fun, booze or any other sort of sinful behavior, you and the University don't have to right to dictate what private businesses do and how ADULTS spend their money and time.

I think the new students and parents will be happy to see Boone even more lively and bustling than usual and I highly doubt there is going to be people rolling around drunk in the streets or what ever sort of hellish sin-orgy you've envisioned.

I'd be there will bells on if I could.
Prudish ways :?: :lol: :lol: Lively is good but some of the things I've seen along with my grandsons and my 7 year old go beyoond the pale.
Prudish ways :?: Not in the least, but I obviously went to and sent my son to graduate from ASU for entirely different reasons than you. I learned just as much and had as good of a time at ASU as you did without getting sh!it faced drunk all the time. I waited until I was on my own and paying all my bills myself before I did my major partying. Besides I had to work extra jobs to pay my way through ASU, and my son used his Navy money and GI bill to help finance his way through our alma mater.

BTW. Where did I say the University had the right to dictate to private businesses :?: I didn't. I do respect the rights of parents and the Boone community to trust that University students have class and decorum. ASU isn't and should be like Animal House.
FWIW, I am not against drinking, but I'm sure adverse to students making fools of themselves as many of the students do not drink and party responsibly. Local government shouldn't have to have make ordinances against loud partying and public drunkeness not to mention underage drinking, The students and local businesses should have class enough to police themselves. But, they don't.
I don't have to, as you say, ENVISION anything. I've seen many dozens of ASU students and hangers on make fools of themselves in front of 30,000 fans, students, and parents. The fact that the Red Coats and extra law enforcement have to be hired for our games is an example of how we're off the mark. This pub crawl promotion could have at least waited until a different weekend to have such an event. :oops:
Too, I imagine in your book, the fact that I have fully supported local law enforcement, is part of being prudish. You'll likely change your attitudes to some extent whan you have a family of your own that includes college age kids on their own for the first time in their lives.. The fact that ASU HAD to form a committee to try to curb excessive and irresponsible drinking behavior by students, is a slap in the face to our image and responsiblity.
As an aside, I have mentioned before, the Klondike sets a shaabby tone for ASU by inhabiting the location smack dab at the entrance to ASU. It lends credibi;lity to the stereotype of ASU students and locals as being Boone Goons. We both know that this impression isn't indicative of our ASU family but it sure makes us look like it.
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Re: University to address high risk drinking behaviors

Unread post by JCline0429 » Mon Jul 22, 2013 3:28 pm

Yosef84 wrote:I agree that the article and the ideas suggested in it are totally ridiculous. I don't quite understand why that meant that JCline and anyone else who expresses an opinion different from yours has to be insulted though. The idea of a pub crawl is fine if it's done correctly. Most of the time, it involves a series of bars that are walking distance from each other, or transportation (shuttles) are provided for the event. The original post asked the question about driving. Nobody said that adults should be denied the right to drink alcohol.

I understand that some of you enjoy your alcohol, but maybe you should consider taking things down a notch.
Good, mature, level headed post. Rep point.

I have to question whether or not the sexual assaults which occurred last year that dirtied, somewhat, the image of ASU would have occurred without excess alcohol consumption on the part of the perpetrators as well as the victims.
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Re: University to address high risk drinking behaviors

Unread post by JCline0429 » Mon Jul 22, 2013 3:30 pm

Gonzo wrote:
Yosef84 wrote:I agree that the article and the ideas suggested in it are totally ridiculous. I don't quite understand why that meant that JCline and anyone else who expresses an opinion different from yours has to be insulted though. The idea of a pub crawl is fine if it's done correctly. Most of the time, it involves a series of bars that are walking distance from each other, or transportation (shuttles) are provided for the event. The original post asked the question about driving. Nobody said that adults should be denied the right to drink alcohol.

I understand that some of you enjoy your alcohol, but maybe you should consider taking things down a notch.
I said they were out of touch. Never insulted anyone.

I don't think I'm cut out for what this country has become: The United States of the Offended.
FTR, I didn't feel insulted but I'd wager you would have if you were on the receiving end. Your skin is not as thick as you seem to think.
Furthermore, I'm definitely not out of touch. I've observed and experienced quite enough over the last few years not to be as you say "out of touch."
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Re: University to address high risk drinking behaviors

Unread post by Gonzo » Mon Jul 22, 2013 5:26 pm

JCline0429 wrote:
Gonzo wrote:
Yosef84 wrote:I agree that the article and the ideas suggested in it are totally ridiculous. I don't quite understand why that meant that JCline and anyone else who expresses an opinion different from yours has to be insulted though. The idea of a pub crawl is fine if it's done correctly. Most of the time, it involves a series of bars that are walking distance from each other, or transportation (shuttles) are provided for the event. The original post asked the question about driving. Nobody said that adults should be denied the right to drink alcohol.

I understand that some of you enjoy your alcohol, but maybe you should consider taking things down a notch.
I said they were out of touch. Never insulted anyone.

I don't think I'm cut out for what this country has become: The United States of the Offended.
FTR, I didn't feel insulted but I'd wager you would have if you were on the receiving end. Your skin is not as thick as you seem to think.
Furthermore, I'm definitely not out of touch. I've observed and experienced quite enough over the last few years not to be as you say "out of touch."
I never doubted your ability to take abuse here on the MBB. As the resident kermudeon you get the business all the time. But you tolerance of those damn fun-havin' kids seems a little low.

Also, just because I respond quite venomously to rhetorical attack doesn't mean I have thin skin. It means I enjoy that type of dialogue. If I had thin skin I'd be crying about manners. *see above for example

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Re: University to address high risk drinking behaviors

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Gonzo wrote:
JCline0429 wrote:
Gonzo wrote:
Yosef84 wrote:I agree that the article and the ideas suggested in it are totally ridiculous. I don't quite understand why that meant that JCline and anyone else who expresses an opinion different from yours has to be insulted though. The idea of a pub crawl is fine if it's done correctly. Most of the time, it involves a series of bars that are walking distance from each other, or transportation (shuttles) are provided for the event. The original post asked the question about driving. Nobody said that adults should be denied the right to drink alcohol.

I understand that some of you enjoy your alcohol, but maybe you should consider taking things down a notch.
I said they were out of touch. Never insulted anyone.

I don't think I'm cut out for what this country has become: The United States of the Offended.
FTR, I didn't feel insulted but I'd wager you would have if you were on the receiving end. Your skin is not as thick as you seem to think.
Furthermore, I'm definitely not out of touch. I've observed and experienced quite enough over the last few years not to be as you say "out of touch."
I never doubted your ability to take abuse here on the MBB. As the resident kermudeon you get the business all the time. But you tolerance of those damn fun-havin' kids seems a little low.

Also, just because I respond quite venomously to rhetorical attack doesn't mean I have thin skin. It means I enjoy that type of dialogue. If I had thin skin I'd be crying about manners. *see above for example
My tolerance isn't as low as you think, however 1) I don't think this board should air its negative dialogue between the board's own App members for all our adversaries to see 2) I have a bad habit of stooping to the level of the attackers which is caused by 3) my retalliatory nature. That's all of my self deprecating comments for the time being.
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Re: University to address high risk drinking behaviors

Unread post by luvyosef » Fri Aug 02, 2013 8:45 am

I do enjoy a few beers myself on gameday but JCline is absolutely right. There was a picture posted on another board a few seasons back showing an ASU grad passed out surrounded by an ocean of vomit and people standing around pointing and laughing all intoxicated themselves.

I found nothing amusing about it at all. Guess I'm a prude? Beer, or any other form of alcohol, is meant to be enjoyed, not abused. I'm guess I'm a prude? I say grace, ma'am, still believe in salvation by grace through faith, and believe hard work, not hand outs, are the best way for an individual to succeed. Guess I'm a prude?

I will enjoy a sip of the hops this fall but certainly not to the point I don't remember the ball game. Go App!
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Unread post by BurlingtonApp » Fri Aug 02, 2013 9:39 am

luvyosef wrote:I do enjoy a few beers myself on gameday but JCline is absolutely right. There was a picture posted on another board a few seasons back showing an ASU grad passed out surrounded by an ocean of vomit and people standing around pointing and laughing all intoxicated themselves.

I found nothing amusing about it at all. Guess I'm a prude? Beer, or any other form of alcohol, is meant to be enjoyed, not abused. I'm guess I'm a prude? I say grace, ma'am, still believe in salvation by grace through faith, and believe hard work, not hand outs, are the best way for an individual to succeed. Guess I'm a prude?

I will enjoy a sip of the hops this fall but certainly not to the point I don't remember the ball game. Go App!
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