49 Problems - Analyzing the Charlotte Effect

[TheMoody1]

I get zero excitement at the prospect of scheduling a football newbie like UNCC. Let them get a few years and a track record under their belt and then schedule a game in Boone.

[appmaj]

Brett Jensen ran his uniformed yap this morning on WFNZ about App & UNCC playing in 2014.
Charlotte Sport Talk is hard to take sometimes.

No problem with his thought about it being a good match up but, he went on for a while and clearly had completed no research.

[moehler]

I agree with 49, losing ODU at home hurts, but scheduling App in Boone in 2014 doesn't make alot of sense, we would beat them by 30 in front of 30,000. If your going to take a lopsided lost, it might as well be in front of 70,000, where they can make more money.

[asumike83]

Charlotte is a year behind App in the transition, they are technically still FCS in 2014 but because App will not be bowl eligible, that should not matter. Playing the front end of a home-and-home in Charlotte would be fine with me. Free recruiting trip and they come to Boone in 2015, which could count towards bowl eligibility as an FBS win.

[MAD Doctor]

It's all too methodical. Schedule easy wins and take necessary butt whippings for a payday. All safe and calculated. What ever happened to the thrill of competing? They'll be a year away from being in CUSA, folks! Why should they wait until they are on "equal footing?" Who knows when that will be?

Imagine:
Dear University of Georgia and University of Michigan:
We were supposed to play you, but decided to wait until we were on more equal footing.

I realize I am being a little facetious, but as I said, they will be competing in CUSA the following year, so why is it such a reach to play us in 2014? I understand they don't want to hurt their recruiting, but how does blatantly ducking us help their image with recruits?

Grow a set Judy. We all had to take our lumps when starting out. You are no different. It would be embarrassing if your new stadium were filled with chants of APP....STATE.

Just sayin

[NWA49]

It's all too methodical. Schedule easy wins and take necessary butt whippings for a payday. All safe and calculated. What ever happened to the thrill of competing? They'll be a year away from being in CUSA, folks! Why should they wait until they are on "equal footing?" Who knows when that will be?

Imagine:
Dear University of Georgia and University of Michigan:
We were supposed to play you, but decided to wait until we were on more equal footing.

I realize I am being a little facetious, but as I said, they will be competing in CUSA the following year, so why is it such a reach to play us in 2014? I understand they don't want to hurt their recruiting, but how does blatantly ducking us help their image with recruits?

Grow a set Judy. We all had to take our lumps when starting out. You are no different. It would be embarrassing if your new stadium were filled with chants of APP....STATE.

Just sayin

A year can make a huge difference when you are building a roster. We will still have a majority of underclassman and little depth with only a single season of experience. I know you all don't understand this because your team was started in 1928. You NEVER had to go through the experience we are. You showed up and you had a team and had a stadium. Building a team from literally nothing takes time, just like building a stadium from nothing takes time.

I know you all want to get a shot in on us before we are ready so you can gloat. I got it.

[ASUPATCH]

It's all too methodical. Schedule easy wins and take necessary butt whippings for a payday. All safe and calculated. What ever happened to the thrill of competing? They'll be a year away from being in CUSA, folks! Why should they wait until they are on "equal footing?" Who knows when that will be?

Imagine:
Dear University of Georgia and University of Michigan:
We were supposed to play you, but decided to wait until we were on more equal footing.

I realize I am being a little facetious, but as I said, they will be competing in CUSA the following year, so why is it such a reach to play us in 2014? I understand they don't want to hurt their recruiting, but how does blatantly ducking us help their image with recruits?

Grow a set Judy. We all had to take our lumps when starting out. You are no different. It would be embarrassing if your new stadium were filled with chants of APP....STATE.

Just sayin

A year can make a huge difference when you are building a roster. We will still have a majority of underclassman and little depth with only a single season of experience. I know you all don't understand this because your team was started in 1928. You NEVER had to go through the experience we are. You showed up and you had a team and had a stadium. Building a team from literally nothing takes time, just like building a stadium from nothing takes time.

I know you all want to get a shot in on us before we are ready so you can gloat. I got it.

I would see your point if you hadn't already scheduled ODU. Who is as good if not better than us and also a transitional program. It is obviously to save face with season ticket holders that wouldn't renew if they saw big bad UNCC get beat badly by what most UNCC alums view as a far inferior school.

[NWA49]

It's all too methodical. Schedule easy wins and take necessary butt whippings for a payday. All safe and calculated. What ever happened to the thrill of competing? They'll be a year away from being in CUSA, folks! Why should they wait until they are on "equal footing?" Who knows when that will be?

Imagine:
Dear University of Georgia and University of Michigan:
We were supposed to play you, but decided to wait until we were on more equal footing.

I realize I am being a little facetious, but as I said, they will be competing in CUSA the following year, so why is it such a reach to play us in 2014? I understand they don't want to hurt their recruiting, but how does blatantly ducking us help their image with recruits?

Grow a set Judy. We all had to take our lumps when starting out. You are no different. It would be embarrassing if your new stadium were filled with chants of APP....STATE.

Just sayin

A year can make a huge difference when you are building a roster. We will still have a majority of underclassman and little depth with only a single season of experience. I know you all don't understand this because your team was started in 1928. You NEVER had to go through the experience we are. You showed up and you had a team and had a stadium. Building a team from literally nothing takes time, just like building a stadium from nothing takes time.

I know you all want to get a shot in on us before we are ready so you can gloat. I got it.

I would see your point if you hadn't already scheduled ODU. Who is as good if not better than us and also a transitional program. It is obviously to save face with season ticket holders that wouldn't renew if they saw big bad UNCC get beat badly by what most UNCC alums view as a far inferior school.

We don't compete with ODU like we do/will App. It is less with season ticket holders as none of us will throw away our FSL capital cost because of an expected loss to a pre-existing program in our second year. It is more about the casual fans who do not understand the building process. Obviously a win would be huge for us, but the deck is stacked against us and because we are in each others back yards I would prefer us to be a little more level and I would like to have more than just a few upperclassman.

I want to play you guys in a series and I want to play a difficult program in 2014, just don't want those two things combined.

[AtlAppMan]

Keep in mind that if App plays UNCC in 2014 it will be a bit hit to our strength of schedule. UNCC is basically playing a DII schedule in 2013 and weak FCS schedule in 2014. If App plays UNCC in 2014 in Boone it would be a gift to the 49er nation.

[MAD Doctor]

NWA49
Not buying it. In 2014, You have not only scheduled ODU, a future potential rival and recruiting threat, but also Ga. Southern, our formidable Sun Belt expansion partner, and an away game at Furman.

Isn't it insulting to communicate to the players you recruited to play FBS football that you are protecting them from playing App State because they could not compete and would end up costing the program other recruits?

You make it sound like we are desperate to play you now because we won't be able to beat you after 2014. You couldn't be more wrong.

[asumike83]

We don't compete with ODU like we do/will App. It is less with season ticket holders as none of us will throw away our FSL capital cost because of an expected loss to a pre-existing program in our second year. It is more about the casual fans who do not understand the building process. Obviously a win would be huge for us, but the deck is stacked against us and because we are in each others back yards I would prefer us to be a little more level and I would like to have more than just a few upperclassman.

I want to play you guys in a series and I want to play a difficult program in 2014, just don't want those two things combined.

I won't be upset if the series doesn't start in 2014 but I'd like for it to. Sure, App would likely be a heavy favorite but I don't understand why that is a bad thing from the Niners' standpoint. App is the one with everything to lose. If App lost to UNCC in their second year as a program, it would be devastating. Even a competitive game would be a hit for us.

In 2014, UNCC will have three full recruiting classes that were brought in with the FBS label and will be a year from C-USA competition. They should be able to battle.

I also disagree with the statement about ODU. Come 2015, y'all will be conference mates. Unless we agree to play every single season, you'll be competing with ODU more than App on the field. Off the field, may cross paths with App more because the schools are in the same state but ODU could potentially be the biggest basketball and football rivalry for you guys going forward. A pair of programs in the same conference with solid hoops and new football programs would seem to be a tailor-made rivalry.

[ASUMountaineer]

Keep in mind that if App plays UNCC in 2014 it will be a bit hit to our strength of schedule. UNCC is basically playing a DII schedule in 2013 and weak FCS schedule in 2014. If App plays UNCC in 2014 in Boone it would be a gift to the 49er nation.

Unfortunately, due to not being bowl eligible in 2014, our SOS will not mean much at all. The only benefit a tough SOS would provide is going into 2015 if we were able to make noise in 2014. In 2014, we'll also play at Michigan and a full Sun Belt slate. So, again, I'm not sure SOS will matter much for us in 2014.

[NWA49]

NWA49
Not buying it. In 2014, You have not only scheduled ODU, a future potential rival and recruiting threat, but also Ga. Southern, our formidable Sun Belt expansion partner, and an away game at Furman.

Isn't it insulting to communicate to the players you recruited to play FBS football that you are protecting them from playing App State because they could not compete and would end up costing the program other recruits?

You make it sound like we are desperate to play you now because we won't be able to beat you after 2014. You couldn't be more wrong.

ODU, GA So, Furman - all of them are fine, but there is a reason there is so much interest around and App Charlotte game. There would be and will be far more heat locally around that game than any of the others you listed. It isn't that we won't compete against ODU as much as from the time we started a lot of people in the community and casual fans have put App up as a measuring stick. I would prefer that we wait to play ya'll when we are a little more prepared.

Our 2012 class was better than I thought it would be, but in no way was it an FBS class and it was while we were FCS Indy with no idea what our future was going to be. So in 2014 we will have had 2 FBS classes (13 and 14), talent wise we will have little to no depth and very few upperclassman. I am not saying I would not enjoy playing you guys. I have plenty of friends that are app football fans and I would love to come up to Boone and tailgate. My wife grew up in Boone and is a Charlotte graduate and can't wait to play you guys. I would just prefer to hold off until it's equal. And for the record no I am not saying you won't beat us after 2014. I just said I am sure you and your staff would love to play us before we are on a level field when the game is more of a toss up.

I don't think it is insulting to say we aren't going to play App yet. I think it is telling them we have a plan and playing an instate rival before we are ready isn't wise. Give me 3 real recruiting classes and some depth and lets get it on. If anything what I have been saying is out of respect for ASU. You guys have a very solid program and I prefer not to meet you on the field until we have our team a little more prepared.

[Appsolutely]

"I would just prefer to hold off until it's equal."

Define "equal"

[asumike83]

I was thinking the 2012 class came in after the C-USA announcement but that was incorrect. The invite came about two months after Signing Day.

I just hope the game happens sooner than later. Not sure how far in advance the 2014 schedule will be finalized but say Charlotte is 4-1 or 5-0 in October. Granted, competition is not the best measuring stick but would that change their tone at all?

[NWA49]

"I would just prefer to hold off until it's equal."

Define "equal"

Equal scholarships, close to equal experience on the field, and a fairly equal chance to win the game going into it. Let the kids settle it on the field at that point and may the best team win.

If I was in ya'll's spot I would want to play us early too. Kick the upstart in the head before they even stand up. I get that, hell I would be saying the exact same thing if I was in your shoes. But from the upstart's position and in the long run, I think it is better to wait.

And yes Mike IF we go 4-1 or 5-0 or by some crazy ass miracle we manage to beat Coastal or ODU obviously the tone changes because then we would feel like we might be a little more prepared than I feel like we are now.

[Gonzo]

I find it hilarious that a group of people that have looked down their noses at us from the get go are shaking in their boots at the concept of a game. I for one am excited for the prospect of finally giving this classless community college the ass whoopin' for which they've been begging, in '14 or any time in the foreseeable future.

[NWA49]

I find it hilarious that a group of people that have looked down their noses at us from the get go are shaking in their boots at the concept of a game. I for one am excited for the prospect of finally giving this classless community college the ass whoopin' for which they've been begging, in '14 or any time in the foreseeable future.

And when the time comes we will look forward to showing you and a few others how everything you said - we can't have a team, no coach will want to be there, we don't have the money, we don't have spirit, no way do we go FBS so quickly, no conference would want us, no players will want to come to Charlotte, no fans will show up and all the other things you personally have said to discount what we have done are false with the last one being that we cant compete on the field with you.

I had no interest in playing App as long as you were FCS - there was nothing in that for us. With us both being FBS schools I don't see why we shouldn't play, but not until our program has it's feet under them. The fansbases have taken plenty of cheap shots at each other with you being one of the primary sources. If we played next season and lost 30-7 or something you would be on here ranting and raving how right you were, when in reality you should beat us like that. We have 10 upperclassman on the whole damn team and virtually no depth. Yet you will take that win as some sign from the football Gods that App is the equal to Alabama. Personally I would prefer to wait and when we both have equal resources let's go see what happens and then let the gloating commence.

[hapapp]

I think logical arguments can be made in either direction in terms of when the series is scheduled. I think it will be a good rivalry and a game that each fanbase can anticipate when looking at seasonal schedules. Unfortunately, some folks have to stoop to cheap shots before we even play a down.

[Gonzo]

I find it hilarious that a group of people that have looked down their noses at us from the get go are shaking in their boots at the concept of a game. I for one am excited for the prospect of finally giving this classless community college the ass whoopin' for which they've been begging, in '14 or any time in the foreseeable future.

And when the time comes we will look forward to showing you and a few others how everything you said - we can't have a team, no coach will want to be there, we don't have the money, we don't have spirit, no way do we go FBS so quickly, no conference would want us, no players will want to come to Charlotte, no fans will show up and all the other things you personally have said to discount what we have done are false with the last one being that we cant compete on the field with you.

I had no interest in playing App as long as you were FCS - there was nothing in that for us. With us both being FBS schools I don't see why we shouldn't play, but not until our program has it's feet under them. The fansbases have taken plenty of cheap shots at each other with you being one of the primary sources. If we played next season and lost 30-7 or something you would be on here ranting and raving how right you were, when in reality you should beat us like that. We have 10 upperclassman on the whole damn team and virtually no depth. Yet you will take that win as some sign from the football Gods that App is the equal to Alabama. Personally I would prefer to wait and when we both have equal resources let's go see what happens and then let the gloating commence.

Give me a break. You act like App fans discouraged every aspect of your program. All I did, and all I saw other App fans doing was making fun of you for not having a team in the first place. When things started coming together for UNCC football your message board fans started with the "We will start off better than App State is now" BS.

It's beside the point anyway. You people ran your mouths about the doom of Appalachian now that UNCC has football over the past few years and now you people are shitting yourselves at the inevitable crow you'll be forced to eat when you put your money where your mouth is. It's almost as satisfying to read as the inevitable moment in which we drop 70 on you when we finally meet on the field.

You're Georgia State 2 both on the field and the nature of your fans conduct on the Internet.