App on a BI list

[McLeansvilleAppFan]

With these numbers from the list it might be a case of perception following reality. Though I know many that do neither.

[JCline0429]

Hey guys, novel thought here, but instead of worrying about over policing, why don't you follow the law? If you don't want your record tarnished, don't do anything to tarnish it. Take a little responsibility for your own actions.

Totally agree, Butch.

[CVAPP]

Any of you pure innocent never broke a law in your life types ever enjoyed lighting fireworks that were purchased say in SC or TN and illegally imported to NC? Or, did you just enjoy watching your friends and neighbors break the law?

[appmaj]

The information on these maps comes from the Department of Education's Office of Postsecondary Education, which only tracks campus crime reports, not those from the surrounding area

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/the-coll ... z2sGMj1iej

May explain why this top 50 is mostly college towns and not larger cities

[AppGrad1]

Any of you pure innocent never broke a law in your life types ever enjoyed lighting fireworks that were purchased say in SC or TN and illegally imported to NC? Or, did you just enjoy watching your friends and neighbors break the law?

I don't consider myself a "pure innocent" person but I didn't drink or do drugs while in college. Someone stated they had their "fun" in college by doing these things, I had a blast in college and didn't do these things.

Comparing shooting off fireworks and doing drugs is comical as far as breaking the law. Are you serious?
In God's eyes, a sin is sin but in the laws of man there are different degrees of breaking the law...

[Maddog1956]

I think a lot of this comes from the fact that most people in town under 50 are students. You don't really have to be "picking on students', but if you stop someone at midnight 90% of the time they are going to be students.

It looks like most places on the list are smaller towns, that have the same problem. In Charlotte, the police have more to do than DUI and even if they do stop someone for it chances are they are not going to be UNCC students.

[Gonzo]

Another thought: Heavy enforcement is also a reason that an App athlete potentially has a higher chance of getting busted for something than a similarly situated player at another school who engages in the same behavior.

Not making excuses for Sean Price or others, but if he played for ECU, the cops would be more concerned with stopping all the shootings and robberies that happen on a daily basis in Greenville than citing some 18-year-old for pot or being drunk at a bar.

Not to start a political tangent, but it's something to consider every time we lose a player who got into trouble.

Do a little research and you'll find that Ruffin has lost several players to drugs/arrests and had plenty show up on the blotter in Greenville. I don't think Boone is as much different that other smallish college towns as you think. I think it has more to do with us paying more attention to what goes on in Boone because that is what we care about more than other towns. I live in Eastern NC and follow Greenville news outlets. ECU students get arrested for the same things ASU students get arrested for. Just to continue with the ECU comparison Boone and Greenville are VERY different demographically in both student and non-student populations. There is so much more to this than just a perceived vendetta against college students by local government.

How do you account for the statistics in the BI article? I didn't just come up with this. Apparently App students have a much higher per-capita rate of arrest than the kids at ECU.

[Gonzo]

Any of you pure innocent never broke a law in your life types ever enjoyed lighting fireworks that were purchased say in SC or TN and illegally imported to NC? Or, did you just enjoy watching your friends and neighbors break the law?

I don't consider myself a "pure innocent" person but I didn't drink or do drugs while in college. Someone stated they had their "fun" in college by doing these things, I had a blast in college and didn't do these things.

Comparing shooting off fireworks and doing drugs is comical as far as breaking the law. Are you serious?
In God's eyes, a sin is sin but in the laws of man there are different degrees of breaking the law...

Setting off fireworks is far more dangerous than, say, smoking marijuana.

Assuming possession of small amounts of the Devil's Lettuce is the primary offense, there really isn't much difference in the "degree" of law breaking. But what do I know

[Appsolutley]

But what is more dangerous is setting off fireworks while intoxicated...like that asshat I saw on youtube, who stuck a bottle rocket in his posterior and lit it.

[AppGrad1]

Any of you pure innocent never broke a law in your life types ever enjoyed lighting fireworks that were purchased say in SC or TN and illegally imported to NC? Or, did you just enjoy watching your friends and neighbors break the law?

I don't consider myself a "pure innocent" person but I didn't drink or do drugs while in college. Someone stated they had their "fun" in college by doing these things, I had a blast in college and didn't do these things.

Comparing shooting off fireworks and doing drugs is comical as far as breaking the law. Are you serious?
In God's eyes, a sin is sin but in the laws of man there are different degrees of breaking the law...

Setting off fireworks is far more dangerous than, say, smoking marijuana.

Assuming possession of small amounts of the Devil's Lettuce is the primary offense, there really isn't much difference in the "degree" of law breaking. But what do I know

Yea, I've been waiting for the BI's report across America for small colleges whose police departments are arresting folks who carry fireworks across state lines... It must be in next months issue.

[Gonzo]

“Son, never trust a man who doesn’t drink because he’s probably a self-righteous sort, a man who thinks he knows right from wrong all the time. Some of them are good men, but in the name of goodness, they cause most of the suffering in the world. They’re the judges, the meddlers. And, son, never trust a man who drinks but refuses to get drunk. They’re usually afraid of something deep down inside, either that they’re a coward or a fool or mean and violent. You can’t trust a man who’s afraid of himself. But sometimes, son, you can trust a man who occasionally kneels before a toilet. The chances are that he is learning something about humility and his natural human foolishness, about how to survive himself. It’s damned hard for a man to take himself too seriously when he’s heaving his guts into a dirty toilet bowl.”

-James Crumley

[AppGrad1]

Galatians 5:21
Envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I've warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
~Paul~

[CVAPP]

Any of you pure innocent never broke a law in your life types ever enjoyed lighting fireworks that were purchased say in SC or TN and illegally imported to NC? Or, did you just enjoy watching your friends and neighbors break the law?

I don't consider myself a "pure innocent" person but I didn't drink or do drugs while in college. Someone stated they had their "fun" in college by doing these things, I had a blast in college and didn't do these things.

Comparing shooting off fireworks and doing drugs is comical as far as breaking the law. Are you serious?
In God's eyes, a sin is sin but in the laws of man there are different degrees of breaking the law...

Let me point out that I made no comparison whatsoever. I just expanded the discussion to include other law-breaking activities as some around here will suggest their bathroom odors should be bottled and sold at the fragrance counter.

[goapps93]

The point is not whether or not one breaks the law. Practically everyone breaks some law everyday. The point is why do some feel that they must blame the law enforcers when they are caught breaking the law. If a person chooses to do something that is illegal that is their choice and maybe even their right but that person should not be surprised if and when they are caught and punished.

And to Gonzo...your disdain seems to be against Boone town leaders, Boone PD and ALE. This article is about drug and alcohol arrests ON-CAMPUS. I'm sure you have a similar attitude toward ASU PD but that could explain part of the difference between ECU and ASU in this study. And yes, I'm sure ALE has a big presence on-campus as well assisting ASU PD. Much of the ECU student crime that I see reported on news outlets here in ENC is handled by GPD. It could be that ECU students are only getting caught off-campus and/or that there are more off-campus students in Greenville. I'm not saying that there's not an increased law enforcement presence wherever students are involved just that there is much more to it than just some perceived vendetta toward college students by local governments and law enforcement.

[CVAPP]

In the rush to crucify Gonzo it appears many of you think law enforcement attitude plays no part in these statistics. I am sure that with the collective efforts of local and state law enforcement officials any 5 mile stretch of I40 could make a national list for being among the most heavily ticketed stretches of interstate in the country. That in and of itself would not indicate to me that stretch of interstate is home to a disproportionate number of speeders. Just ones that got ticketed.

[JCline0429]

The point is not whether or not one breaks the law. Practically everyone breaks some law everyday. The point is why do some feel that they must blame the law enforcers when they are caught breaking the law. If a person chooses to do something that is illegal that is their choice and maybe even their right but that person should not be surprised if and when they are caught and punished.

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My sentiments exactly, goapps93. The only thing I knowingly do that is illegal is driving in excess of the speed limit on the highways. I often find myself blaming the LEA's for catching me instead of the ones who truly drive well in excess of the limit in a reckless manner. However, I try to remind myself that they could actually be saving my, my passengers, and other drivers' lives by their figuratively helping control my driving habits and I have definitely had more than my share of speeding tickets.

[CVAPP]

My sentiments exactly, goapps93. The only thing I knowingly do that is illegal is driving in excess of the speed limit on the highways. I often find myself blaming the LEA's for catching me instead of the ones who truly drive well in excess of the limit in a reckless manner. However, I try to remind myself that they could actually be saving my, my passengers, and other drivers' lives by their figuratively helping control my driving habits and I have definitely had more than my share of speeding tickets.

JCline, how about a courtesy flush and while you are at it will you please turn on the exhaust fan? I for one don't take lightly those that speed by my house, in my neighborhood, where children ride their bikes in the street, and pets sometimes wonder across the road.

[JCline0429]

My sentiments exactly, goapps93. The only thing I knowingly do that is illegal is driving in excess of the speed limit on the highways. I often find myself blaming the LEA's for catching me instead of the ones who truly drive well in excess of the limit in a reckless manner. However, I try to remind myself that they could actually be saving my, my passengers, and other drivers' lives by their figuratively helping control my driving habits and I have definitely had more than my share of speeding tickets.

JCline, how about a courtesy flush and while you are at it will you please turn on the exhaust fan? I for one don't take lightly those that speed by my house, in my neighborhood, where children ride their bikes in the street, and pets sometimes wonder across the road.

I seldom go over 5 mph over and that it is when I'm in traffic that won't allow me to go any slower. Normally I'm one who gets passed on double yellow lines and in curves even though I am going the speed limit. In fact, I was severely chastised on here about the speed limit on highway in Texas being raised to 85 mph when I said that was entirely too high.
FWIW, I HAVE NEVER GOTTEN A SPEEDING TICKET WHEN I KNEW I WAS SPEEDING!

Do you never speed? Have you never gotten a speeding ticket?

What is all that courtesy flush all about?
Furthermore, you should notice that I said KNOWINGLY DO.

[skjellyfetti]

My sentiments exactly, goapps93. The only thing I knowingly do that is illegal is driving in excess of the speed limit on the highways. I often find myself blaming the LEA's for catching me instead of the ones who truly drive well in excess of the limit in a reckless manner. However, I try to remind myself that they could actually be saving my, my passengers, and other drivers' lives by their figuratively helping control my driving habits and I have definitely had more than my share of speeding tickets.

But, there's standard speed limit enforcement and then there are SPEED TRAPS.

What these rankings reflect is more the "speed trap" variety of on campus law enforcement than the standard, imo.

[AppGrad1]

For debate purposes.. (I can't believe I'm doing this but here goes...)
Being known (UNC) for cheating classes/grades
or
Being known as the 11th ranked college for drug arrests?
And why?