App Professor just wants to be paid as much as a Dominos driver

[mike87]

And Rome fell. Wonder if that says something about America?
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Yes it does, we're following in their footsteps, only difference we're doing it 10x faster.
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30 minutes or less. (bringing it back around to Pizza Delivery)

[WataugaMan]

And Rome fell. Wonder if that says something about America?

Yes it does, we're following in their footsteps, only difference we're doing it 10x faster.
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30 minutes or less. (bringing it back around to Pizza Delivery)
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Pizza, Rome, Italy, etc.

[bigdaddyg]

It’s amazing how much has changed with the perception of the value of certain jobs. I’m completely baffled over the $15 per hour fast food debate. I’ve always thought that, for the most part fast food jobs are meant to be entry level. No 16-18 year old student/fry cook should make $15 an hour. Neither should a pizza delivery guy. What is the value of a job? Is a professor job worth $50k, $100k, a million a year? How about the head football coach for a pro team, Alabama or App? Most people believe that they are underpaid no matter what they do or wherever they live. Wouldn’t it be nice if we could all get paid what we think we are worth?

[Blackshirt68]

Was a teacher while Jim Hunt and the legislature froze teacher pay. Sure….education governor. Pay was also frozen during Jim Martin’s administration. I hate it when people forget these things!

[Rekdiver]

Was a teacher while Jim Hunt and the legislature froze teacher pay. Sure….education governor. Pay was also frozen during Jim Martin’s administration. I hate it when people forget these things!

Amen!

[Rekdiver]

Do nt be baffled over people trying to
Air a living……

[BambooRdApp]

If we are truly being honest, neither political party in NC has been the "education party" for a long, long time. We can debate that one may have been better than the other (and vice versa). In addition to salaries, technology at many (if not most) always lag current technology in marketplace just to name one example besides salary. So, we can find some things one party did to support education and things another party did or did not do. However, when you step back and look where we are, it seems to me education (to be tops in education - elementary to high school) has not been a priority by both parties no matter what they pledge during a political campaign. To use a sports analogy, your results are what your record shows.

[AtlAppMan]

It’s amazing how much has changed with the perception of the value of certain jobs. I’m completely baffled over the $15 per hour fast food debate. I’ve always thought that, for the most part fast food jobs are meant to be entry level. No 16-18 year old student/fry cook should make $15 an hour. Neither should a pizza delivery guy. What is the value of a job? Is a professor job worth $50k, $100k, a million a year? How about the head football coach for a pro team, Alabama or App? Most people believe that they are underpaid no matter what they do or wherever they live. Wouldn’t it be nice if we could all get paid what we think we are worth?

Just revisiting a little Economics and Business 101.

Generally speaking, not always, but in a capital society and in private industry, people get paid what the market bears regardless of perception, what you think you should get or what someone else (like yourself) thinks a delivery guy, of fast food job should be paid. If the company makes $1M per year gross then all expenses, including payroll, must reconcile or the business goes bankrupt. If a pizza joint wants to offer delivery and $10/hr gets them a reliable delivery person then they probably go with it. But if it takes $15/hr to meet market demand then that is what they pay, or else not offer delivery, or go out of business, etc. That is how $15/hr is determined not based on what "you've always thought it should be". On the professor's pay, same principle but way 100x more complex, legislatures, taxes, BOD, head of education system, public opinion, etc.

[bigdaddyg]

It’s amazing how much has changed with the perception of the value of certain jobs. I’m completely baffled over the $15 per hour fast food debate. I’ve always thought that, for the most part fast food jobs are meant to be entry level. No 16-18 year old student/fry cook should make $15 an hour. Neither should a pizza delivery guy. What is the value of a job? Is a professor job worth $50k, $100k, a million a year? How about the head football coach for a pro team, Alabama or App? Most people believe that they are underpaid no matter what they do or wherever they live. Wouldn’t it be nice if we could all get paid what we think we are worth?

Just revisiting a little Economics and Business 101.

Generally speaking, not always, but in a capital society and in private industry, people get paid what the market bears regardless of perception, what you think you should get or what someone else (like yourself) thinks a delivery guy, of fast food job should be paid. If the company makes $1M per year gross then all expenses, including payroll, must reconcile or the business goes bankrupt. If a pizza joint wants to offer delivery and $10/hr gets them a reliable delivery person then they probably go with it. But if it takes $15/hr to meet market demand then that is what they pay, or else not offer delivery, or go out of business, etc. That is how $15/hr is determined not based on what "you've always thought it should be". On the professor's pay, same principle but way 100x more complex, legislatures, taxes, BOD, head of education system, public opinion, etc.

That is all very true. I’ve noticed how many local restaurants are getting around the higher pay piece- either closing indoor dining, reducing or eliminating a register person (installing a kiosk), etc. A fast food joint that used to employ 12 people at $7.50ish and hour now has 7 at $12ish. Same or even lower hourly payroll. The McDonald’s that used to run 3 registers might now have 1 but most places use the kiosk. No real need to clean as much in the dining area as it’s barely used. Same staff for the drive through. Use the allure of the higher wage to get more production from the food prep. While the market does bear out the need for higher pay (at times) the output of work doesn’t always support it and eventually it levels off or prices drive the place out of business.

[AtlAppMan]

Hey, I just saw a Dominos ad saying that over 95% of their managers and owners started as a pizza makers and delivery drivers.

https://biz.dominos.com/about-us/franchising/

Don't knock the Dominos drivers too much as their future career paths may exceed that of a college professor. Since some genius who started this thread kind of made a joke of it, maybe a Dominos marketing guru should steal that statement and advertise that "Make more than a college professor. A job as a Dominos Delivery person could be the path towards becoming a corporate mogul". And it does not require you to get your Phd. Not a bad slogan.

[TheMoody1]

Since some genius who started this thread kind of made a joke of it, maybe a Dominos marketing guru should steal that statement and advertise that "Make more than a college professor. A job as a Dominos Delivery person could be the path towards becoming a corporate mogul". And it does not require you to get your Phd. Not a bad slogan.

Since you are most likely a genius as well, can I get paid if they steal my slogan?

[MrCraig]

Hot Take: I don't care about this argument anymore.
I'm a public school teacher. I know I don't get paid enough, I know other teachers don't get paid enough, I know college professors don't get paid enough. Educators have NEVER been appreciated and paid enough in America, and they never will. For me, this is just something to accept. If you want more money, go find another job that makes more money. It's a great job market right now if you are looking to make more money. I'm going to stick to teaching because I love it, I love having every holiday and summer break with my kids, and I don't think anything else would give me as much fulfillment.
If you're in education for the money, and it really bothers you that you don't make enough, get out.

[AtlAppMan]

Since some genius who started this thread kind of made a joke of it, maybe a Dominos marketing guru should steal that statement and advertise that "Make more than a college professor. A job as a Dominos Delivery person could be the path towards becoming a corporate mogul". And it does not require you to get your Phd. Not a bad slogan.

Since you are most likely a genius as well, can I get paid if they steal my slogan?

I will back you up if you want to get credit for it

[AtlAppMan]

Hot Take: I don't care about this argument anymore.
I'm a public school teacher. I know I don't get paid enough, I know other teachers don't get paid enough, I know college professors don't get paid enough. Educators have NEVER been appreciated and paid enough in America, and they never will. For me, this is just something to accept. If you want more money, go find another job that makes more money. It's a great job market right now if you are looking to make more money. I'm going to stick to teaching because I love it, I love having every holiday and summer break with my kids, and I don't think anything else would give me as much fulfillment.
If you're in education for the money, and it really bothers you that you don't make enough, get out.

MrCraig,
You are probably one of the teachers that I really liked when I was in school and whether you get paid enough, you likely don't (my mom was a teacher), I appreciate you and all the others that did mentor the good ones and put up with the bad ones all those years.

[bcoach]

This is coming from the Husband of a public school teacher of 36 years. Some of the professors at App and our other UNC universities don’t deserve to make as much as pizza delivery guy. My daughter had a few of said professors.

Guess maybe my kids got lucky but we should reevaluate the grandkids going to APP?

[NewApp]

Was a teacher while Jim Hunt and the legislature froze teacher pay. Sure….education governor. Pay was also frozen during Jim Martin’s administration. I hate it when people forget these things!

I rwember Martin freezing pay for 8 years but don't remember Hunt doing so: In 1997, Democratic Gov. Jim Hunt proposed a four-year plan to raise teacher pay in North Carolina.[8] He worked with the Republican-controlled state House and the Democratic-controlled state Senate, including then-Senate Majority Leader Cooper, to bring the state’s average teacher pay above the national median by the time he left office in 2001.[8][9]

[AppWyo]

If you need a PhD to get my pizza right then you need to get your PhD. All I want is "My pizza" right.

[AppfaninCAALand]

I had this professor for one class, then dropped it after the first day. All we were going to do was read Marx.

You show read Marx. I have, some at least. He is fascinating and one of the most important thinkers of the last 200 years. Of course, how his ignorant unreadable nonsense became so influential is even more fascinating.

[AppfaninCAALand]

I'd argue that anything more than 15 an hour, including tips, is overpaid for a delivery driver. I say that as someone who has done it in the last year for extra cash. That 23 an hour likely only exists from midnight to close on thur, fri, and sat. The rest of the time, it is closer to 8 an hour. If Boortz would rather have that job, I have no doubt the school can fill his position with someone who wants to be there.

I started driving doordash on free evenings to give me something to do and get out of the house back when working my day job from home.

I keep driving for doordash in my free time for the $25/hour I make in tips.

[AppfaninCAALand]

We can't find humble leaders that are there for the people not a power grab. It's like Rome.

And Rome fell. Wonder if that says something about America?
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Rome didn't fall. It evolved into wide range of successors states that still exist today in almost a direct line of unbroken history, and the Roman Catholic Church (and its offshoots).