App on a BI list

[appst89]

This article deals only with on-campus arrests, I believe. I had a long conversation with a person in administration not too long ago and they said the reason App looks bad in those rankings is because we report all of the incidents which happen and most other schools do not. Said the school believed it was important to report honestly so that they would know what level of problem, if any, they needed to deal with.

I don't know if that flies or not, but it was an interesting conversation.

[appst89]

For debate purposes.. (I can't believe I'm doing this but here goes...)
Being known (UNC) for cheating classes/grades
or
Being known as the 11th ranked college for drug arrests?
And why?

The only way this is an accurate comparison is if we had spent the last 50 years telling everyone in the US that no one at App ever drank or did drugs.

[Maddog1956]

For debate purposes.. (I can't believe I'm doing this but here goes...)
Being known (UNC) for cheating classes/grades
or
Being known as the 11th ranked college for drug arrests?
And why?

I'll bite, the first one (cheating) is worst, because it's a practice of the school. The admin has to be in on it.

The second is a reflecting on the student not the admin and better enforcement (good or bad) could play a factor.

[AppGrad1]

I totally agree with both of the above posts... Totally.
Just wanting some civil debate...

[TheMoody1]

For debate purposes.. (I can't believe I'm doing this but here goes...)
Being known (UNC) for cheating classes/grades
or
Being known as the 11th ranked college for drug arrests?
And why?

Being known as the 11th ranked for drug arrests would be worse if those arrested were on the administration and faculty.

The cheating at UNC was perpetrated by their administration, faculty, and their students. This makes their offense exponentially worse.

[AppGrad1]

Wonder if ASU will/can do anything to curb the drugs at ASU?
Is that possible?

[skjellyfetti]

Wonder if ASU will/can do anything to curb the drugs at ASU?
Is that possible?

"Just Say No" - that works, right?

[DoubleA]

Wonder if ASU will/can do anything to curb the drugs at ASU?
Is that possible?

Unfortunately, this is a reflection of our state, and American society. Noticed that NC ranked higher in drug arrests than other southern states, and higher than most states in general. There's a huge problem out there, which goes way beyond the college age population, and includes rampant abuse of prescription pain killers.

[bcoach]

The laws should be enforced vigorously. If it is the law then it can not be enforced too vigorously. It is either a violation or it is not. Now if enforcing that law is too stringent then change the law. As long as the law is on the books it should be enforced to the fullest extent.

[CVAPP]

The laws should be enforced vigorously. If it is the law then it can not be enforced too vigorously. It is either a violation or it is not. Now if enforcing that law is too stringent then change the law. As long as the law is on the books it should be enforced to the fullest extent.

I suspect you don't really want this. Not because you condone criminal activity, but because not every law is worth enforcing at your expense.

Or, we could pay bunch of law enforcement officials to go undercover and stakeout these fireworks shacks precipitously close to our sovereign borders. I can hear hear it now, gentlemen, let's go get these fireworks smugglers...and be careful out there!

[JCline0429]

FWIW, fireworks are sold in grocery stores and Wal-Mart in NC now, including the rockets and roman candles.

[CVAPP]

FWIW, fireworks are sold in grocery stores and Wal-Mart in NC now, including the rockets and roman candles.

This is an adult conversation. You need to keep working on understanding the concept of a courtesy flush. Try Google.

[bcoach]

The laws should be enforced vigorously. If it is the law then it can not be enforced too vigorously. It is either a violation or it is not. Now if enforcing that law is too stringent then change the law. As long as the law is on the books it should be enforced to the fullest extent.

I suspect you don't really want this. Not because you condone criminal activity, but because not every law is worth enforcing at your expense.

Or, we could pay bunch of law enforcement officials to go undercover and stakeout these fireworks shacks precipitously close to our sovereign borders. I can hear hear it now, gentlemen, let's go get these fireworks smugglers...and be careful out there!

Well I was being serious. Yes every law is worth enforcing. If the law is not worth enforcing then change it. In your example no I would not put together a stakeout. If folks were found with illegal fireworks in the process of some other situation I would give them the appropriate ticket or whatever. My whole point is that we should not be ignoring laws that we don't like. We should be repealing or changing laws that don't fit. Who is it that should decide what laws we enforce and which ones we ignore?

[appst89]

How does one enforce these?

http://www.dumblaws.com/laws/united-sta ... h-carolina

[bcoach]

How does one enforce these?

http://www.dumblaws.com/laws/united-sta ... h-carolina

You repeal them, smart guy

[CVAPP]

Well I was being serious. Yes every law is worth enforcing. If the law is not worth enforcing then change it. In your example no I would not put together a stakeout. If folks were found with illegal fireworks in the process of some other situation I would give them the appropriate ticket or whatever. My whole point is that we should not be ignoring laws that we don't like. We should be repealing or changing laws that don't fit. Who is it that should decide what laws we enforce and which ones we ignore?

I would be willing participate on that committee

[bcoach]

Well I was being serious. Yes every law is worth enforcing. If the law is not worth enforcing then change it. In your example no I would not put together a stakeout. If folks were found with illegal fireworks in the process of some other situation I would give them the appropriate ticket or whatever. My whole point is that we should not be ignoring laws that we don't like. We should be repealing or changing laws that don't fit. Who is it that should decide what laws we enforce and which ones we ignore?

I would be willing participate on that committee

I'll bet you would

[Gonzo]

For those who think heavy enforcement has nothing to do with the statistics:

http://www.theappalachianonline.com/201 ... high-list/

“‘A lot of drug- or alcohol-related arrests on campus’ would not be the correct wording, but they are frequent,” said ASU Police Capt. Todd Corley. “When you look at our numbers compared to other UNC schools, they tend to be a little high, but that has to do with our aggressive enforcement on campus.”

Of all the ways my point could have been proven, I never thought it would come from the horse's mouth. The ASU police captain has confirmed my suspicions almost verbatim.

[Gonzo]

Now the question becomes, "why do you break the norm and throw the book at all your students?" Clearly the behavior isn't being deterred. Now you've created bad press for the institution and blemished the records of hundreds of otherwise law-abiding students.

Maybe a new, more reasonable policy will come with the new chancellor.

[goapps93]

For those who think heavy enforcement has nothing to do with the statistics:

http://www.theappalachianonline.com/201 ... high-list/

“‘A lot of drug- or alcohol-related arrests on campus’ would not be the correct wording, but they are frequent,” said ASU Police Capt. Todd Corley. “When you look at our numbers compared to other UNC schools, they tend to be a little high, but that has to do with our aggressive enforcement on campus.”

Of all the ways my point could have been proven, I never thought it would come from the horse's mouth. The ASU police captain has confirmed my suspicions almost verbatim.

Not sure if I implied enforcement doesn't affect the statistics, didn't mean to. I've said many times that law enforcement is one of the toughest jobs because officers are criticized when they don't do their job and also when they do their job. What the ASU Police Captain has confirmed is that the ASU Police Department does its job, aggressively. I still can't figure out why that's so wrong. I don't know what you do for a living Gonzo but I bet if it's done aggressively you get praised.