Only true source is what is currently listed on the MLS, as it is a measure of what you can currently go out and buy.bcoach wrote:Not here to argue housing prices but I will tell you that Trulia is the most inaccurate source of real estate information in the country.
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So you are saying Race and Politics are different?ASUPATCH wrote:Avery and ASU have little to nothing in common outside of race. For a die hard conservative like yourself it would be heaven. For someone that votes for GOPS DEMS and LIBS its not so fun. Everyone thinks and act the same way, zero diversity. You are aware that diversity pertains to far more than just race correct?AppGrad1 wrote:ASUPATCH wrote:Avery county is overwhelmingly causation, Christian and conservative. Voted almost 80% for Mitt Romney, Watauga tends to be 50-50. If you don't think public school teachers interject their views when they teach you are sorely mistaken. For the record I am a registered Libertarian, so I likewise would send my kid to a school in a district that voted 80% Obama, I prefer equal shares of both.WataugaMan wrote:"My wife and I would prefer to send our kids to a school with more diversity. Avery is one of the most homogenous schools in this great state. Would prefer them to be subject to more than one viewpoint."
Vague statement, viewpoint on what? Examples?
In case you need a link.
http://www.politico.com/2012-election/r ... -carolina/
Doesn't sound much like a bad environment to grow up in???
ASU is 87.34% White (probably one of the least diverse schools)
2.84% Black
3.32 Hispanic
1.34 Asian
Is there anything wrong with ASU?
I've always been in the mindset that kids education is mostly a reflection on the parents education. I made sure my kid studied/did homework/extra curricular things to stay ahead or on course.
Obama took 93 % of the black vote.
Romney took 72% of the white vote.
You are pretty much saying that black/hispanic children is Avery are getting a slighted education.
Wanna bet the teachers/principals/board feels different.
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The problem is that they do not have a feed from MLS. They gather information from other sources, massage it and publish it. You very often find homes on their site that are not even for sale. Their Zestimate is a joke. You can't sit at a computer in some other state and give values of homes in North Carolina or Virginia or anywhere else. I am not guessing their information is grossly inaccurate.ASUPATCH wrote:Only true source is what is currently listed on the MLS, as it is a measure of what you can currently go out and buy.bcoach wrote:Not here to argue housing prices but I will tell you that Trulia is the most inaccurate source of real estate information in the country.
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"As a side not at least San Fran does have some ethnic diversity, which IMO is far superior to living in a white cocoon."
Sorry I got your panties in a wad, just trying to see where you're coming from. After your last post I was beginning to see where you were coming from. However, you had to go and say the above. White cocoon? Really, white cocoon? I'll be honest with you, comments like that are offensive.
I grew up in 1970s white cocoon Watauga County, and my education and upbringing in no way has made be nearly as biased as you. Through my "white cocoon" upbringing, I have learned to view things and issues from many perspectives. Thus, I really don't see where you're coming from with comments like this.
Sorry I got your panties in a wad, just trying to see where you're coming from. After your last post I was beginning to see where you were coming from. However, you had to go and say the above. White cocoon? Really, white cocoon? I'll be honest with you, comments like that are offensive.
I grew up in 1970s white cocoon Watauga County, and my education and upbringing in no way has made be nearly as biased as you. Through my "white cocoon" upbringing, I have learned to view things and issues from many perspectives. Thus, I really don't see where you're coming from with comments like this.
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Is that you're opinion, or do you have some fact to back it up?bcoach wrote:Not here to argue housing prices but I will tell you that Trulia is the most inaccurate source of real estate information in the country.
If you can show other figures that fine.

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Yes I am saying they are different, ever been to Boone before?AppGrad1 wrote:So you are saying Race and Politics are different?ASUPATCH wrote:Avery and ASU have little to nothing in common outside of race. For a die hard conservative like yourself it would be heaven. For someone that votes for GOPS DEMS and LIBS its not so fun. Everyone thinks and act the same way, zero diversity. You are aware that diversity pertains to far more than just race correct?AppGrad1 wrote:ASUPATCH wrote:Avery county is overwhelmingly causation, Christian and conservative. Voted almost 80% for Mitt Romney, Watauga tends to be 50-50. If you don't think public school teachers interject their views when they teach you are sorely mistaken. For the record I am a registered Libertarian, so I likewise would send my kid to a school in a district that voted 80% Obama, I prefer equal shares of both.WataugaMan wrote:"My wife and I would prefer to send our kids to a school with more diversity. Avery is one of the most homogenous schools in this great state. Would prefer them to be subject to more than one viewpoint."
Vague statement, viewpoint on what? Examples?
In case you need a link.
http://www.politico.com/2012-election/r ... -carolina/
Doesn't sound much like a bad environment to grow up in???
ASU is 87.34% White (probably one of the least diverse schools)
2.84% Black
3.32 Hispanic
1.34 Asian
Is there anything wrong with ASU?
I've always been in the mindset that kids education is mostly a reflection on the parents education. I made sure my kid studied/did homework/extra curricular things to stay ahead or on course.
Obama took 93 % of the black vote.
Romney took 72% of the white vote.
You are pretty much saying that black/hispanic children is Avery are getting a slighted education.
Wanna bet the teachers/principals/board feels different.
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Avery county is overwhelmingly causation, Christian and conservative. Voted almost 80% for Mitt Romney, Watauga tends to be 50-50. If you don't think public school teachers interject their views when they teach you are sorely mistaken. For the record I am a registered Libertarian, so I likewise would send my kid to a school in a district that voted 80% Obama, I prefer equal shares of both.
In case you need a link.
http://www.politico.com/2012-election/r ... -carolina/[/quote]
Doesn't sound much like a bad environment to grow up in???
ASU is 87.34% White (probably one of the least diverse schools)
2.84% Black
3.32 Hispanic
1.34 Asian
Is there anything wrong with ASU?
I've always been in the mindset that kids education is mostly a reflection on the parents education. I made sure my kid studied/did homework/extra curricular things to stay ahead or on course.[/quote]
Avery and ASU have little to nothing in common outside of race. For a die hard conservative like yourself it would be heaven. For someone that votes for GOPS DEMS and LIBS its not so fun. Everyone thinks and act the same way, zero diversity. You are aware that diversity pertains to far more than just race correct?[/quote]
So you are saying Race and Politics are different?
Obama took 93 % of the black vote.
Romney took 72% of the white vote.
You are pretty much saying that black/hispanic children is Avery are getting a slighted education.
Wanna bet the teachers/principals/board feels different.[/quote]
Yes I am saying they are different, ever been to Boone before?[/quote]
Yes, I went to white cocoon Boone/ ASU as you call it.
In case you need a link.
http://www.politico.com/2012-election/r ... -carolina/[/quote]
Doesn't sound much like a bad environment to grow up in???
ASU is 87.34% White (probably one of the least diverse schools)
2.84% Black
3.32 Hispanic
1.34 Asian
Is there anything wrong with ASU?
I've always been in the mindset that kids education is mostly a reflection on the parents education. I made sure my kid studied/did homework/extra curricular things to stay ahead or on course.[/quote]
Avery and ASU have little to nothing in common outside of race. For a die hard conservative like yourself it would be heaven. For someone that votes for GOPS DEMS and LIBS its not so fun. Everyone thinks and act the same way, zero diversity. You are aware that diversity pertains to far more than just race correct?[/quote]
So you are saying Race and Politics are different?
Obama took 93 % of the black vote.
Romney took 72% of the white vote.
You are pretty much saying that black/hispanic children is Avery are getting a slighted education.
Wanna bet the teachers/principals/board feels different.[/quote]
Yes I am saying they are different, ever been to Boone before?[/quote]
Yes, I went to white cocoon Boone/ ASU as you call it.
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I feel it more beneficial to a child's upbringing to mingle with and befriend people of other cultures as to broaden their views. I worked while at Beech Mt. as a ski lift operator. I had many kids from Roan Mt. Tennessee working for me. Having never grown up around anything but other white kids it was atrocious the racial comments and jokes they made and how unaware they were of other cultures. So they grew up in what I said was a white cocoon, its all they know. They same can be said for kids born and raised in Harlem, its a form a black cocoon where everything is so homogeneous you just assimilate. I'm sorry if your offended.WataugaMan wrote:"As a side not at least San Fran does have some ethnic diversity, which IMO is far superior to living in a white cocoon."
Sorry I got your panties in a wad, just trying to see where you're coming from. After your last post I was beginning to see where you were coming from. However, you had to go and say the above. White cocoon? Really, white cocoon? I'll be honest with you, comments like that are offensive.
I grew up in 1970s white cocoon Watauga County, and my education and upbringing in no way has made be nearly as biased as you. Through my "white cocoon" upbringing, I have learned to view things and issues from many perspectives. Thus, I really don't see where you're coming from with comments like this.
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AppGrad1 wrote:Avery county is overwhelmingly causation, Christian and conservative. Voted almost 80% for Mitt Romney, Watauga tends to be 50-50. If you don't think public school teachers interject their views when they teach you are sorely mistaken. For the record I am a registered Libertarian, so I likewise would send my kid to a school in a district that voted 80% Obama, I prefer equal shares of both.
In case you need a link.
http://www.politico.com/2012-election/r ... -carolina/
Doesn't sound much like a bad environment to grow up in???
ASU is 87.34% White (probably one of the least diverse schools)
2.84% Black
3.32 Hispanic
1.34 Asian
Is there anything wrong with ASU?
I've always been in the mindset that kids education is mostly a reflection on the parents education. I made sure my kid studied/did homework/extra curricular things to stay ahead or on course.[/quote]
Avery and ASU have little to nothing in common outside of race. For a die hard conservative like yourself it would be heaven. For someone that votes for GOPS DEMS and LIBS its not so fun. Everyone thinks and act the same way, zero diversity. You are aware that diversity pertains to far more than just race correct?[/quote]
So you are saying Race and Politics are different?
Obama took 93 % of the black vote.
Romney took 72% of the white vote.
You are pretty much saying that black/hispanic children is Avery are getting a slighted education.
Wanna bet the teachers/principals/board feels different.[/quote]
Yes I am saying they are different, ever been to Boone before?[/quote]
Yes, I went to white cocoon Boone/ ASU as you call it.[/quote]
Race and religion and politics are complete separate entities, I'm sorry you weren't aware of that.
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It is not at all an opinion. It is proven every single day all across the country. People call their realtor about a house and the realtor finds that the home is not for sale and has not been for maybe two years. How do I know? I get some of those calls. The only accurate information is the national Association of Realtors who does not break down by individual markets, or the local MLS who does.Maddog1956 wrote:Is that you're opinion, or do you have some fact to back it up?bcoach wrote:Not here to argue housing prices but I will tell you that Trulia is the most inaccurate source of real estate information in the country.
If you can show other figures that fine.
Please don't think I was challenging you. The vast majority of the public has no idea that they are not seeing accurate information. I was just putting out some information that will benefit people. If you want accurate information go to sites owned by realtors or real estate companies. They have the real time MLS feeds that will give you the information you will find helpful.
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bcoach wrote:It is not at all an opinion. It is proven every single day all across the country. People call their realtor about a house and the realtor finds that the home is not for sale and has not been for maybe two years. How do I know? I get some of those calls. The only accurate information is the national Association of Realtors who does not break down by individual markets, or the local MLS who does.Maddog1956 wrote:Is that you're opinion, or do you have some fact to back it up?bcoach wrote:Not here to argue housing prices but I will tell you that Trulia is the most inaccurate source of real estate information in the country.
If you can show other figures that fine.
Please don't think I was challenging you. The vast majority of the public has no idea that they are not seeing accurate information. I was just putting out some information that will benefit people. If you want accurate information go to sites owned by realtors or real estate companies. They have the real time MLS feeds that will give you the information you will find helpful.
Had the same issues when I sold real estate with Zillow. People would call and said they want to list their home. Then when we got to price they had some outrageous number. They would then say but Zillow says its worth 600k when all comps on the market were far less. I would inform them they are welcome to list it at whatever they want, but it wont sell until your are closer to what the active market dictates.
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Doesn't sound much like a bad environment to grow up in???
ASU is 87.34% White (probably one of the least diverse schools)
2.84% Black
3.32 Hispanic
1.34 Asian
Is there anything wrong with ASU?
I've always been in the mindset that kids education is mostly a reflection on the parents education. I made sure my kid studied/did homework/extra curricular things to stay ahead or on course.[/quote]
Avery and ASU have little to nothing in common outside of race. For a die hard conservative like yourself it would be heaven. For someone that votes for GOPS DEMS and LIBS its not so fun. Everyone thinks and act the same way, zero diversity. You are aware that diversity pertains to far more than just race correct?[/quote]
So you are saying Race and Politics are different?
Obama took 93 % of the black vote.
Romney took 72% of the white vote.
You are pretty much saying that black/hispanic children is Avery are getting a slighted education.
Wanna bet the teachers/principals/board feels different.[/quote]
Yes I am saying they are different, ever been to Boone before?[/quote]
Yes, I went to white cocoon Boone/ ASU as you call it.[/quote]
Race and religion and politics are complete separate entities, I'm sorry you weren't aware of that.[/quote]
So you are saying obama got 93% of the black votes because of where he stood on global warming and his foreign policy right?
Ok...
ASU is 87.34% White (probably one of the least diverse schools)
2.84% Black
3.32 Hispanic
1.34 Asian
Is there anything wrong with ASU?
I've always been in the mindset that kids education is mostly a reflection on the parents education. I made sure my kid studied/did homework/extra curricular things to stay ahead or on course.[/quote]
Avery and ASU have little to nothing in common outside of race. For a die hard conservative like yourself it would be heaven. For someone that votes for GOPS DEMS and LIBS its not so fun. Everyone thinks and act the same way, zero diversity. You are aware that diversity pertains to far more than just race correct?[/quote]
So you are saying Race and Politics are different?
Obama took 93 % of the black vote.
Romney took 72% of the white vote.
You are pretty much saying that black/hispanic children is Avery are getting a slighted education.
Wanna bet the teachers/principals/board feels different.[/quote]
Yes I am saying they are different, ever been to Boone before?[/quote]
Yes, I went to white cocoon Boone/ ASU as you call it.[/quote]
Race and religion and politics are complete separate entities, I'm sorry you weren't aware of that.[/quote]
So you are saying obama got 93% of the black votes because of where he stood on global warming and his foreign policy right?
Ok...

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Avery and ASU have little to nothing in common outside of race. For a die hard conservative like yourself it would be heaven. For someone that votes for GOPS DEMS and LIBS its not so fun. Everyone thinks and act the same way, zero diversity. You are aware that diversity pertains to far more than just race correct?[/quote]AppGrad1 wrote:Doesn't sound much like a bad environment to grow up in???
ASU is 87.34% White (probably one of the least diverse schools)
2.84% Black
3.32 Hispanic
1.34 Asian
Is there anything wrong with ASU?
I've always been in the mindset that kids education is mostly a reflection on the parents education. I made sure my kid studied/did homework/extra curricular things to stay ahead or on course.
So you are saying Race and Politics are different?
Obama took 93 % of the black vote.
Romney took 72% of the white vote.
You are pretty much saying that black/hispanic children is Avery are getting a slighted education.
Wanna bet the teachers/principals/board feels different.[/quote]
Yes I am saying they are different, ever been to Boone before?[/quote]
Yes, I went to white cocoon Boone/ ASU as you call it.[/quote]
Race and religion and politics are complete separate entities, I'm sorry you weren't aware of that.[/quote]
So you are saying obama got 93% of the black votes because of where he stood on global warming and his foreign policy right?
Ok...

If living in a super liberal or super conservative area is what you love, more power to you. I prefer areas that are more diverse in political, racial and religious ideals.
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AppGrad1 wrote:So you are saying obama got 93% of the black votes because of where he stood on global warming and his foreign policy right?
Ok...
Everone knows it was his flip flop on Gay marriage.

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Wouldn't it have been nice if we could have just left this as I don't like Avery as much as Watauga cause they have lower test scores and have less diversity. Diversity pertains to more than just race. On these grounds both are factual, not sure we need to turn this into a political thread. Maybe its the D word, you cant say the word diversity without pissing someone off.
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So you are saying Race and Politics are different?ASUPATCH wrote:Avery and ASU have little to nothing in common outside of race. For a die hard conservative like yourself it would be heaven. For someone that votes for GOPS DEMS and LIBS its not so fun. Everyone thinks and act the same way, zero diversity. You are aware that diversity pertains to far more than just race correct?AppGrad1 wrote:Doesn't sound much like a bad environment to grow up in???
ASU is 87.34% White (probably one of the least diverse schools)
2.84% Black
3.32 Hispanic
1.34 Asian
Is there anything wrong with ASU?
I've always been in the mindset that kids education is mostly a reflection on the parents education. I made sure my kid studied/did homework/extra curricular things to stay ahead or on course.
Obama took 93 % of the black vote.
Romney took 72% of the white vote.
You are pretty much saying that black/hispanic children is Avery are getting a slighted education.
Wanna bet the teachers/principals/board feels different.[/quote]
Yes I am saying they are different, ever been to Boone before?[/quote]
Yes, I went to white cocoon Boone/ ASU as you call it.[/quote]
Race and religion and politics are complete separate entities, I'm sorry you weren't aware of that.[/quote]
So you are saying obama got 93% of the black votes because of where he stood on global warming and his foreign policy right?
Ok...

If living in a super liberal or super conservative area is what you love, more power to you. I prefer areas that are more diverse in political, racial and religious ideals.[/quote]
Mask it all you want but you do not want your kids around any, as you call it, "white Christian conservative".
To each his own...
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Yes I am saying they are different, ever been to Boone before?[/quote]AppGrad1 wrote:So you are saying Race and Politics are different?ASUPATCH wrote:Avery and ASU have little to nothing in common outside of race. For a die hard conservative like yourself it would be heaven. For someone that votes for GOPS DEMS and LIBS its not so fun. Everyone thinks and act the same way, zero diversity. You are aware that diversity pertains to far more than just race correct?AppGrad1 wrote:Doesn't sound much like a bad environment to grow up in???
ASU is 87.34% White (probably one of the least diverse schools)
2.84% Black
3.32 Hispanic
1.34 Asian
Is there anything wrong with ASU?
I've always been in the mindset that kids education is mostly a reflection on the parents education. I made sure my kid studied/did homework/extra curricular things to stay ahead or on course.
Obama took 93 % of the black vote.
Romney took 72% of the white vote.
You are pretty much saying that black/hispanic children is Avery are getting a slighted education.
Wanna bet the teachers/principals/board feels different.
Yes, I went to white cocoon Boone/ ASU as you call it.[/quote]
Race and religion and politics are complete separate entities, I'm sorry you weren't aware of that.[/quote]
So you are saying obama got 93% of the black votes because of where he stood on global warming and his foreign policy right?
Ok...

If living in a super liberal or super conservative area is what you love, more power to you. I prefer areas that are more diverse in political, racial and religious ideals.[/quote]
Mask it all you want but you do not want your kids around any, as you call it, "white Christian conservative".
To each his own...[/quote]
You are 100% right, I also don't want them around anti fur wearing PETA super liberals either. I prefer them to get a small dose of each and allow them to make up their own mind. I eat meat, I own a handgun, rifle and shotgun, have been and avid NASCAR fan since 1989(Rusty Wallace 1 championship) I also drive a prius and like to eat organic. Best of both worlds. People get so locked in to their respective parties platform that they cant enjoy anything that the other enjoy for fear of themselves looking like a party turncoat. Sad really.
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Yes I am saying they are different, ever been to Boone before?[/quote]AppGrad1 wrote:So you are saying Race and Politics are different?ASUPATCH wrote:Avery and ASU have little to nothing in common outside of race. For a die hard conservative like yourself it would be heaven. For someone that votes for GOPS DEMS and LIBS its not so fun. Everyone thinks and act the same way, zero diversity. You are aware that diversity pertains to far more than just race correct?AppGrad1 wrote:Doesn't sound much like a bad environment to grow up in???
ASU is 87.34% White (probably one of the least diverse schools)
2.84% Black
3.32 Hispanic
1.34 Asian
Is there anything wrong with ASU?
I've always been in the mindset that kids education is mostly a reflection on the parents education. I made sure my kid studied/did homework/extra curricular things to stay ahead or on course.
Obama took 93 % of the black vote.
Romney took 72% of the white vote.
You are pretty much saying that black/hispanic children is Avery are getting a slighted education.
Wanna bet the teachers/principals/board feels different.
Yes, I went to white cocoon Boone/ ASU as you call it.[/quote]
Race and religion and politics are complete separate entities, I'm sorry you weren't aware of that.[/quote]
So you are saying obama got 93% of the black votes because of where he stood on global warming and his foreign policy right?
Ok...

If living in a super liberal or super conservative area is what you love, more power to you. I prefer areas that are more diverse in political, racial and religious ideals.[/quote]
Mask it all you want but you do not want your kids around any, as you call it, "white Christian conservative".
To each his own...[/quote]
That's not what he said at all. He said he didn't want his kids around ONLY white, Christian, conservatives nor did he want them around ONLY kids of any other bent. All he's said is that he wants his kids in a diverse environment and people have tried to read all kinds of other intent into it.
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Yes, I went to white cocoon Boone/ ASU as you call it.[/quote]appst89 wrote:Yes I am saying they are different, ever been to Boone before?AppGrad1 wrote:So you are saying Race and Politics are different?ASUPATCH wrote:Avery and ASU have little to nothing in common outside of race. For a die hard conservative like yourself it would be heaven. For someone that votes for GOPS DEMS and LIBS its not so fun. Everyone thinks and act the same way, zero diversity. You are aware that diversity pertains to far more than just race correct?AppGrad1 wrote:Doesn't sound much like a bad environment to grow up in???
ASU is 87.34% White (probably one of the least diverse schools)
2.84% Black
3.32 Hispanic
1.34 Asian
Is there anything wrong with ASU?
I've always been in the mindset that kids education is mostly a reflection on the parents education. I made sure my kid studied/did homework/extra curricular things to stay ahead or on course.
Obama took 93 % of the black vote.
Romney took 72% of the white vote.
You are pretty much saying that black/hispanic children is Avery are getting a slighted education.
Wanna bet the teachers/principals/board feels different.
Race and religion and politics are complete separate entities, I'm sorry you weren't aware of that.[/quote]
So you are saying obama got 93% of the black votes because of where he stood on global warming and his foreign policy right?
Ok...

If living in a super liberal or super conservative area is what you love, more power to you. I prefer areas that are more diverse in political, racial and religious ideals.[/quote]
Mask it all you want but you do not want your kids around any, as you call it, "white Christian conservative".
To each his own...[/quote]
That's not what he said at all. He said he didn't want his kids around ONLY white, Christian, conservatives nor did he want them around ONLY kids of any other bent. All he's said is that he wants his kids in a diverse environment and people have tried to read all kinds of other intent into it.[/quote]
Correct and thank you....rep point.
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Re: Exodus of Faculty
It was because he was a Democrat. His percentage of the black vote wasn't much different than any other Democratic candidate for president. In fact, blacks have shown a much high proclivity for voting for white candidates than whites do for black candidates.TheMoody1 wrote:AppGrad1 wrote:So you are saying obama got 93% of the black votes because of where he stood on global warming and his foreign policy right?
Ok...
Everone knows it was his flip flop on Gay marriage.