Exodus of Faculty

[ASUMountaineer]

This is all fascinating talk. I'm not really concerned about where Patch wants to raise his children--he's a big boy and will make the best decision for his family. Has anyone heard anything about what's causing the faculty to exit? This sounds like it be a problem, but it also could be business-as-usual...

[AppGrad1]

Doesn't sound much like a bad environment to grow up in???

ASU is 87.34% White (probably one of the least diverse schools)
2.84% Black
3.32 Hispanic
1.34 Asian

Is there anything wrong with ASU?
I've always been in the mindset that kids education is mostly a reflection on the parents education. I made sure my kid studied/did homework/extra curricular things to stay ahead or on course.

Avery and ASU have little to nothing in common outside of race. For a die hard conservative like yourself it would be heaven. For someone that votes for GOPS DEMS and LIBS its not so fun. Everyone thinks and act the same way, zero diversity. You are aware that diversity pertains to far more than just race correct?

So you are saying Race and Politics are different?
Obama took 93 % of the black vote.
Romney took 72% of the white vote.

You are pretty much saying that black/hispanic children is Avery are getting a slighted education.
Wanna bet the teachers/principals/board feels different.

Yes I am saying they are different, ever been to Boone before?

Yes, I went to white cocoon Boone/ ASU as you call it.[/quote]


Race and religion and politics are complete separate entities, I'm sorry you weren't aware of that.[/quote]




So you are saying obama got 93% of the black votes because of where he stood on global warming and his foreign policy right?
Ok... [/quote]


If living in a super liberal or super conservative area is what you love, more power to you. I prefer areas that are more diverse in political, racial and religious ideals.[/quote]


Mask it all you want but you do not want your kids around any, as you call it, "white Christian conservative".
To each his own...[/quote]

That's not what he said at all. He said he didn't want his kids around ONLY white, Christian, conservatives nor did he want them around ONLY kids of any other bent. All he's said is that he wants his kids in a diverse environment and people have tried to read all kinds of other intent into it.[/quote]

He also said race and politics were separate entities of which I proved is not the case and yet you didn't jump to my defense.
I then pointed out that asu is one of the least diverse colleges and pretty much mirrors Avery county in race.
Most people know that colleges are more liberal these days and patch knows this too. So this had to be a "white Christian conservative" kinda dig.
This of course is just my opinion.

[ASUPATCH]

This is all fascinating talk. I'm not really concerned about where Patch wants to raise his children--he's a big boy and will make the best decision for his family. Has anyone heard anything about what's causing the faculty to exit? This sounds like it be a problem, but it also could be business-as-usual...

Easy on that big boy stuff, im out of the 300's now.

[TheMoody1]

It was because he was a Democrat. His percentage of the black vote wasn't much different than any other Democratic candidate for president.

The black voter turn out was much higher than average. Blacks voted at a higher rate than other minority groups in 2012 and surpassed the white turnout percentage for the first time.

For sure the gay marriage flip flop.

[ASUPATCH]

Doesn't sound much like a bad environment to grow up in???

ASU is 87.34% White (probably one of the least diverse schools)
2.84% Black
3.32 Hispanic
1.34 Asian

Is there anything wrong with ASU?
I've always been in the mindset that kids education is mostly a reflection on the parents education. I made sure my kid studied/did homework/extra curricular things to stay ahead or on course.

Avery and ASU have little to nothing in common outside of race. For a die hard conservative like yourself it would be heaven. For someone that votes for GOPS DEMS and LIBS its not so fun. Everyone thinks and act the same way, zero diversity. You are aware that diversity pertains to far more than just race correct?

So you are saying Race and Politics are different?
Obama took 93 % of the black vote.
Romney took 72% of the white vote.

You are pretty much saying that black/hispanic children is Avery are getting a slighted education.
Wanna bet the teachers/principals/board feels different.

Yes I am saying they are different, ever been to Boone before?

Yes, I went to white cocoon Boone/ ASU as you call it.

Race and religion and politics are complete separate entities, I'm sorry you weren't aware of that.[/quote]




So you are saying obama got 93% of the black votes because of where he stood on global warming and his foreign policy right?
Ok... [/quote]


If living in a super liberal or super conservative area is what you love, more power to you. I prefer areas that are more diverse in political, racial and religious ideals.[/quote]


Mask it all you want but you do not want your kids around any, as you call it, "white Christian conservative".
To each his own...[/quote]

That's not what he said at all. He said he didn't want his kids around ONLY white, Christian, conservatives nor did he want them around ONLY kids of any other bent. All he's said is that he wants his kids in a diverse environment and people have tried to read all kinds of other intent into it.[/quote]

He also said race and politics were separate entities of which I proved is not the case and yet you didn't jump to my defense.
I then pointed out that asu is one of the least diverse colleges and pretty much mirrors Avery county in race.
Most people know that colleges are more liberal these days and patch knows this too. So this had to be a "white Christian conservative" kinda dig.
This of course is just my opinion.[/quote]

That would hold water....well except that Romney won Watauga so it is technically a red county but its true color is purple. I prefer purple places. I just currently happen to live in a super red area. If I was in Durham County I would be complaining just as much about trying to get more purple as well. It just so happens I don't currently live in Durham. What part about me not wanting to be surrounded by ONLY PETA vegetarians either did you not get?

[MAD Doctor]

In fact, blacks have shown a much high proclivity for voting for white candidates than whites do for black candidates.

Source, please.

[appst89]

Doesn't sound much like a bad environment to grow up in???

ASU is 87.34% White (probably one of the least diverse schools)
2.84% Black
3.32 Hispanic
1.34 Asian

Is there anything wrong with ASU?
I've always been in the mindset that kids education is mostly a reflection on the parents education. I made sure my kid studied/did homework/extra curricular things to stay ahead or on course.

Avery and ASU have little to nothing in common outside of race. For a die hard conservative like yourself it would be heaven. For someone that votes for GOPS DEMS and LIBS its not so fun. Everyone thinks and act the same way, zero diversity. You are aware that diversity pertains to far more than just race correct?

So you are saying Race and Politics are different?
Obama took 93 % of the black vote.
Romney took 72% of the white vote.

You are pretty much saying that black/hispanic children is Avery are getting a slighted education.
Wanna bet the teachers/principals/board feels different.

Yes I am saying they are different, ever been to Boone before?

Yes, I went to white cocoon Boone/ ASU as you call it.

Race and religion and politics are complete separate entities, I'm sorry you weren't aware of that.[/quote]




So you are saying obama got 93% of the black votes because of where he stood on global warming and his foreign policy right?
Ok... [/quote]


If living in a super liberal or super conservative area is what you love, more power to you. I prefer areas that are more diverse in political, racial and religious ideals.[/quote]


Mask it all you want but you do not want your kids around any, as you call it, "white Christian conservative".
To each his own...[/quote]

That's not what he said at all. He said he didn't want his kids around ONLY white, Christian, conservatives nor did he want them around ONLY kids of any other bent. All he's said is that he wants his kids in a diverse environment and people have tried to read all kinds of other intent into it.[/quote]

He also said race and politics were separate entities of which I proved is not the case and yet you didn't jump to my defense.
I then pointed out that asu is one of the least diverse colleges and pretty much mirrors Avery county in race.
Most people know that colleges are more liberal these days and patch knows this too. So this had to be a "white Christian conservative" kinda dig.
This of course is just my opinion.[/quote]
And I stated mine.

[bcoach]

he two party system has turned out to be the worse thing that has ever happened to this country. If you take the strict platforms of both they are just plain wrong. We have come to a place though where there is no compromise. The leaders of both parties disgust me. So much of what people say is wrong and they know it but they are so entrenched in their "team" they will never admit it. We are taking this country in the wrong direction because of BOTH parties. let's be bigger than our leaders and try to get along.

[ASUPATCH]

he two party system has turned out to be the worse thing that has ever happened to this country. If you take the strict platforms of both they are just plain wrong. We have come to a place though where there is no compromise. The leaders of both parties disgust me. So much of what people say is wrong and they know it but they are so entrenched in their "team" they will never admit it. We are taking this country in the wrong direction because of BOTH parties. let's be bigger than our leaders and try to get along.

BOOM.....that just happened. YC quote of the year IMO.

[AppinVA]

he two party system has turned out to be the worse thing that has ever happened to this country. If you take the strict platforms of both they are just plain wrong. We have come to a place though where there is no compromise. The leaders of both parties disgust me. So much of what people say is wrong and they know it but they are so entrenched in their "team" they will never admit it. We are taking this country in the wrong direction because of BOTH parties. let's be bigger than our leaders and try to get along.

Hear, hear!

[Maddog1956]

It was because he was a Democrat. His percentage of the black vote wasn't much different than any other Democratic candidate for president.

The black voter turn out was much higher than average. Blacks voted at a higher rate than other minority groups in 2012 and surpassed the white turnout percentage for the first time.

For sure the gay marriage flip flop.

I'm sure it was because even white people didn't like Mitt! Why would any Repub vote for a white, republican, liberal, Non-christian*, governor from the north, millionaire, that created the basis for ACA? That was just a bad pick from the beginning. It's was a GOP, oops what was I thinking moment. Well I guess considering their choices,

* I don't care what religion anyone is, but Bill Graham web site had listed Mormonism as a non-christian cult until Franklin got him to change it after Mitt was picked.

[Maddog1956]

Not here to argue housing prices but I will tell you that Trulia is the most inaccurate source of real estate information in the country.

Only true source is what is currently listed on the MLS, as it is a measure of what you can currently go out and buy.

The problem is that they do not have a feed from MLS. They gather information from other sources, massage it and publish it. You very often find homes on their site that are not even for sale. Their Zestimate is a joke. You can't sit at a computer in some other state and give values of homes in North Carolina or Virginia or anywhere else. I am not guessing their information is grossly inaccurate.

Are we even talking about the same site? Isn't Zestimate from Zillow?

I've been looking for a house for two years (have purchased/sold a few in my life) and have worked on the computer side of things with Tax Assessors, Realtors, etc for many years so I know a little about how things work.

No matter what they have you believe their numbers come mostly from the same place. MLS may get some first but in the end all the sites get the same numbers. They come from US Census, Tax and Register of Deeds offices and Sales Analysis/ratio reports, etc.

While nothing is perfect (even someone with local knowledge coming in your home), online sites do fairly well in general. Where they do miss it the most is coastal areas, lake areas and mountain areas, etc where being oceanfront, view or mountain views is priced totally different than one without these features. However even so, comparing homes in different areas take these differences in consideration because in the end it comes down to listing price vs sales.

I think Trulia numbers will hold up to get the point across that Boone isn't as high as some may think, plus we all know that there a other things to consider.

[ASUPATCH]

Another thing trulia doesn't take into account it the wear and tear a mountain home takes weather wise compared to non mountain homes. Burst pipes and the like take a toll on homes up here. Its good for ballpark but there is so much that goes into the equation, age of home, view, proximity to town, school district.

[bcoach]

Not here to argue housing prices but I will tell you that Trulia is the most inaccurate source of real estate information in the country.

Only true source is what is currently listed on the MLS, as it is a measure of what you can currently go out and buy.

The problem is that they do not have a feed from MLS. They gather information from other sources, massage it and publish it. You very often find homes on their site that are not even for sale. Their Zestimate is a joke. You can't sit at a computer in some other state and give values of homes in North Carolina or Virginia or anywhere else. I am not guessing their information is grossly inaccurate.

Are we even talking about the same site? Isn't Zestimate from Zillow?

I've been looking for a house for two years (have purchased/sold a few in my life) and have worked on the computer side of things with Tax Assessors, Realtors, etc for many years so I know a little about how things work.

No matter what they have you believe their numbers come mostly from the same place. MLS may get some first but in the end all the sites get the same numbers. They come from US Census, Tax and Register of Deeds offices and Sales Analysis/ratio reports, etc.

While nothing is perfect (even someone with local knowledge coming in your home), online sites do fairly well in general. Where they do miss it the most is coastal areas, lake areas and mountain areas, etc where being oceanfront, view or mountain views is priced totally different than one without these features. However even so, comparing homes in different areas take these differences in consideration because in the end it comes down to listing price vs sales.

I think Trulia numbers will hold up to get the point across that Boone isn't as high as some may think, plus we all know that there a other things to consider.

Not the same site but the same results. No the information absolutely does not come from the same place. As an example Trulia and Zillow get their information from county records. Realtor sites do not as they have the MLS data to use. I can not speak for the whole country at they try to do, but I will speak for Virginia. In Virginia they are not required to record an accurate sales price on the county GIS or real estate web site. They are allowed to record the sales price or the last assessment price. That can be a very big difference. This is just one example.
Trulia or Zillow or so many of the other sites may be fine to try and make a point on this site I suppose. I really was not trying to challenge your point about Boone as I don't have a stake in the argument. I was only tossing out some information. If you are looking for accurate information like maybe for your own use to sell or purchase a home go to a realtor or real estate company site. I promise you I know what I am talking about. I am not on the outside of this topic looking in. I am entrenched in the middle of it. We field many complaints on this issue. We work in this environment every day.

[Watauga72]

In fact, blacks have shown a much high proclivity for voting for white candidates than whites do for black candidates.

Source, please.

It's pretty much an historical fact that until President Obama was elected almost every black voter voted for a white male candidate for president. Amazing!

Not a surprise at all that black voters overwhelmingly voted for Obama, nor is it a surprise that the solid south voted republican, some states at historically high levels. For example, not a single precinct in Oklahoma voted for Obama. Must be because he's a closet muslim/socialist/non-native American, and wants to confiscate all guns from everyone so the federal government can take over the world, along with the United Nations.

[Maddog1956]

Another thing trulia doesn't take into account it the wear and tear a mountain home takes weather wise compared to non mountain homes. Burst pipes and the like take a toll on homes up here. Its good for ballpark but there is so much that goes into the equation, age of home, view, proximity to town, school district.

That has nothing to do with the conversation, denver has water pipes burst also and wear and tear. As a matter of fact I'm sure they have more than what takes place here due to wildfires and snowpack. Also there is taxes, distance for work, cost of living etc.

My point still is that you're not going to find comparable housing in Denver that much cheaper than in Boone and in all likelihood it would be more expensive.

Moral of the store is that it's wise to do some checking before assuming that the High Country is one of the highest places on earth to live.

All of which leads to ....

It maybe a factor, but I would say like others, it's more the lack of NC pay raises for professors and things like lack of spousal jobs that are more of a factor. Combine that with everyone doesn't care to live miles from a large city. Not everyone wants to live 85 miles from cities of 100k-200k. It's great for people that love it but not everyone does.

Going back to exit surveys it's important to know these things not only because it affect Faculty but it could affect players and I'm sure it affects students as well. Not all of these things we can do anything about, but we might be able to help in other ways. LIke I said before the Appalcart, is certainly a plus.

[hapapp]

In fact, blacks have shown a much high proclivity for voting for white candidates than whites do for black candidates.

Source, please.

It's pretty much an historical fact that until President Obama was elected almost every black voter voted for a white male candidate for president. Amazing!

Not a surprise at all that black voters overwhelmingly voted for Obama, nor is it a surprise that the solid south voted republican, some states at historically high levels. For example, not a single precinct in Oklahoma voted for Obama. Must be because he's a closet muslim/socialist/non-native American, and wants to confiscate all guns from everyone so the federal government can take over the world, along with the United Nations.

Exactly! Blacks have been voting for white candidates since they gained the right to vote. No doubt the presence of a black candidate on the ballot was going to attract more black voters but as a percentage of black votes, Obama didn't receive a significantly higher percentage than many previous white Democratic candidates. For example, Al Gore garnered 90% of the black vote in 2000 and John Kerry received 88%. Obama eclipsed both of those but again in 2000 and 2004 roughly 90% of black voters voted for a white Democrat.

[Maddog1956]

In fact, blacks have shown a much high proclivity for voting for white candidates than whites do for black candidates.

Source, please.

It's pretty much an historical fact that until President Obama was elected almost every black voter voted for a white male candidate for president. Amazing!

Not a surprise at all that black voters overwhelmingly voted for Obama, nor is it a surprise that the solid south voted republican, some states at historically high levels. For example, not a single precinct in Oklahoma voted for Obama. Must be because he's a closet muslim/socialist/non-native American, and wants to confiscate all guns from everyone so the federal government can take over the world, along with the United Nations.

And just think, we didn't need voter ID laws then. Somehow all the voter laws that worked fine for 100's of years all of sudden needed to be changed. Imagine that

[ASUPATCH]

Another thing trulia doesn't take into account it the wear and tear a mountain home takes weather wise compared to non mountain homes. Burst pipes and the like take a toll on homes up here. Its good for ballpark but there is so much that goes into the equation, age of home, view, proximity to town, school district.

That has nothing to do with the conversation, denver has water pipes burst also and wear and tear. As a matter of fact I'm sure they have more than what takes place here due to wildfires and snowpack. Also there is taxes, distance for work, cost of living etc.

My point still is that you're not going to find comparable housing in Denver that much cheaper than in Boone and in all likelihood it would be more expensive.

Moral of the store is that it's wise to do some checking before assuming that the High Country is one of the highest places on earth to live.

All of which leads to ....

It maybe a factor, but I would say like others, it's more the lack of NC pay raises for professors and things like lack of spousal jobs that are more of a factor. Combine that with everyone doesn't care to live miles from a large city. Not everyone wants to live 85 miles from cities of 100k-200k. It's great for people that love it but not everyone does.

Going back to exit surveys it's important to know these things not only because it affect Faculty but it could affect players and I'm sure it affects students as well. Not all of these things we can do anything about, but we might be able to help in other ways. LIke I said before the Appalcart, is certainly a plus.

Not necessarily much cheaper but salaries are much higher so the actual cost of living is much better. I guess I meant cost of living vs local salaries . As an example I live in Avery county. I have a bachelors degree in CJ. I would start out as a Deputy Sheriff making 27k with no step plan for pay raises. Only way to make more money would be to promote. Denver and the greater metro area start their Deputies around 48k with a step plan to make 68 after 7 years. So within seven years in Avery 27k Denver 68k, more than double for the same amount of work with comparable real estate costs. Most places with housing as high as Boone also have higher paying jobs. The jobs are not commensurate with the market.

[bcoach]

Another thing trulia doesn't take into account it the wear and tear a mountain home takes weather wise compared to non mountain homes. Burst pipes and the like take a toll on homes up here. Its good for ballpark but there is so much that goes into the equation, age of home, view, proximity to town, school district.

That has nothing to do with the conversation, denver has water pipes burst also and wear and tear. As a matter of fact I'm sure they have more than what takes place here due to wildfires and snowpack. Also there is taxes, distance for work, cost of living etc.

My point still is that you're not going to find comparable housing in Denver that much cheaper than in Boone and in all likelihood it would be more expensive.

Moral of the store is that it's wise to do some checking before assuming that the High Country is one of the highest places on earth to live.

All of which leads to ....

It maybe a factor, but I would say like others, it's more the lack of NC pay raises for professors and things like lack of spousal jobs that are more of a factor. Combine that with everyone doesn't care to live miles from a large city. Not everyone wants to live 85 miles from cities of 100k-200k. It's great for people that love it but not everyone does.

Going back to exit surveys it's important to know these things not only because it affect Faculty but it could affect players and I'm sure it affects students as well. Not all of these things we can do anything about, but we might be able to help in other ways. LIke I said before the Appalcart, is certainly a plus.

I think you have hit the nail on the head about pay, spousal jobs, distance from a major city, and weather. I'll just pick one. Weather. I love Boone and in fact used to own a condo on King street across the street from Macados. I could not live there anymore in the winter.