I have a memory of a quote by Butch Davis (former Carolina football coach who took the fall for the scandal), I think, but could be wrong. But it was a Carolina football coach that complained that "in Chapel Hill they wanted to be Oklahoma on Saturday and Harvard Monday thru Friday."

Turns out they're neither.

What I find most frustrating about this is that if we replaced UNC with App in this whole scenario, is there anyone on this board that doesn't think we'd have the book thrown at us?

How do you figure? The NCAA didn't have jurisdiction over academics at Carolina so why would they over anyone else?

They will never be taken off the schedule and that is fine but I will not be there. I also will not be at that other place next year either. I know I will not be missed but I will feel better.

I'm saying they found some technicality to get Carolina off. They wouldn't even investigated App as long before punishing us and definitely wouldn't have been looking for some technicality to get us off.

AppSt94 wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:10 pm

How do you figure? The NCAA didn't have jurisdiction over academics at Carolina so why would they over anyone else?

Well if APP had $20 MILLION to hire law firms to find the loop hole - then maybe ---

I realize that this isn't the proper forum to propose an alternate point of view when it come to Carolina; but the fact of the matter is that the NCAA strung this out trying to find something that wasn't there. Yes the class was a farce, yes Carolina allowed it to happen, and yes they brought a black eye to the state's education system; however, none of that is in the purview of the NCAA and as hard as they tried to make it so, they were destined to lose.

If the NCAA had really wanted to punish Carolina it wouldn't have been hard for them to come out and say that fake classes mean ineligible players. That wouldn't have been as harsh a punishment as many think they deserve but at least pulling down banners and vacating wins would have been something.

CheckYosef94 wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:00 pm

What I find most frustrating about this is that if we replaced UNC with App in this whole scenario, is there anyone on this board that doesn't think we'd have the book thrown at us?

We don't have $18M to fight a case. Hate GS but Erk used to say we don't have enough money to cheat.

Saint3333 wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 16, 2017 6:44 pm

CheckYosef94 wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:00 pm

What I find most frustrating about this is that if we replaced UNC with App in this whole scenario, is there anyone on this board that doesn't think we'd have the book thrown at us?

We don't have $18M to fight a case. Hate GS but Erk used to say we don't have enough money to cheat.

The irony is that while it looks like $18 million well spent, it was actually $18 million spent unnecessarily. Once it was divulged that the class was taken by non athletes and was open to everyone, the NCAAs case went out the window.

It's not even the $20 million and loophole that bothers me most. It's the "We're Carolina, and we told you we didn't do anything wrong, so forget about it" narrative that they push and expect everyone else to buy. The frustrating thing is that many folks in our state have already moved on as if nothing ever happened and the vast majority will soon. What Penn State did was horrendous, and on a completely different level, but that fact doesn't lessen the significance of the academic fraud at our "flagship." I'd like to see ALL other state institutions issue a joint statement of condemnation. It won't remove banners or reduce scholarships, but it will sure sting.

#notmyflagship

GreatAppSt wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 13, 2017 12:49 pm

Dear Dr. Everts,

Please inform UNC of our need to cancel our upcoming H & H Football games with them. Simply state our need for disassociation as our reason.

Thank you.

GAS

Are we talking sport or a popularity contest? We're talking football people. The sport we pride ourself on. The thought of canceling the series seems a bit brash in my opinion. How about instead of cancelling, we get out there and show Carolina how the game of football is played. Open the eyes of another ACC school to our brand, our atmosphere. Wake Forest walked away impressed. Why not continue spreading the word? Why not also capitalize on another huge weekend for the Boone economy? What do we really buy from cancelling the series?

"Hello Adidas, pay normal students too."

Go to Hell Carolina....can't wait to play them.

It still mystifies me that some think these classes were open to ALL Students - are you telling me there were only a couple of hundred students a semester at UNC who would have signed up for a Sure A with no class time and no work - even a very conscientious student - which I was not - could have used a little GPA addition from time to time - if you believe these classes were known to an enrollment of 30,000 and only 100 signed up for a sure A - then, as they say, I have a bridge you might be interested in --- Come on guys !!! - my best friend's son was on one of these teams and he took Swahili and 3-4 AFAM courses, told his sister who was a regular student who told a couple of her sorority sisters who needed a GPA boost --- Total JOKE

And there it is, case busted wide open. A friend's son told his sister who told her sorority. Now that one person on a campus of 30,000 has spoke up to his Dad who told a friend, we all know what's going on. That's funny.

It was all a sham, it was a school wide sham and who knows how many students/people knew. Can't say whether only 100 people tried to sign up or not, I'm not in the registrar's office. The first time I saw a game where they advertised someone was majoring in AFAM I figured it was pretty much a joke. The accrediting bureau should strip them of their accreditation.

BUTCH1991 wrote: ↑

Tue Oct 17, 2017 6:38 am

And there it is, case busted wide open. A friend's son told his sister who told her sorority. Now that one person on a campus of 30,000 has spoke up to his Dad who told a friend, we all know what's going on. That's funny.

It was all a sham, it was a school wide sham and who knows how many students/people knew. Can't say whether only 100 people tried to sign up or not, I'm not in the registrar's office. The first time I saw a game where they advertised someone was majoring in AFAM I figured it was pretty much a joke. The accrediting bureau should strip them of their accreditation.

What point are you trying to make???