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Re: Dear Dr. Everts
Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 7:51 am
by AppSt94
WVAPPeer wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2017 2:30 am
It still mystifies me that some think these classes were open to ALL Students - are you telling me there were only a couple of hundred students a semester at UNC who would have signed up for a Sure A with no class time and no work - even a very conscientious student - which I was not - could have used a little GPA addition from time to time - if you believe these classes were known to an enrollment of 30,000 and only 100 signed up for a sure A - then, as they say, I have a bridge you might be interested in --- Come on guys !!! - my best friend's son was on one of these teams and he took Swahili and 3-4 AFAM courses, told his sister who was a regular student who told a couple of her sorority sisters who needed a GPA boost --- Total JOKE
So you have provided hearsay on how the General population heard about the classes. Can you provide proof that anyone was denied access to the class? I am sure that all of these questions and more were asked by not only the NCAA but also the accedidation team. While you fail to understand how people can believe that these classes weren't really open to everyone, I find it hard to understand those who think that the facts were simply dismissed because they are Carolina. Hat is insulting to those governing bodies and their ability to remain impartial. Come on man. Their are more people in this world that don't care about Carolina sports than do.
Re: Dear Dr. Everts
Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 8:36 am
by NattyBumppo'sRevenge
Problem isn't whether they were cheating or not, they definitely were and probably still are. NCAA is powerless to obtain evidence to support their case. If the FBI had this information and subpoenaed those involved, the endgame would be much different and the offenses not just regulated to the AFAM piece of UNC's broad cheating schemes. I wonder with the FBI's current investigation, NCAA just said, "eff it, give the FBI what we have on UNC, wait til the FBI gets confessions, then burn the place down". It saves the NCAA time and money and gets them off the hook.
Re: Dear Dr. Everts
Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 8:50 am
by WVAPPeer
94 and 91 I could give a shit about unc and what did or didnt happen to them. My information came directly from a basketball player who was on the early 2000 teams. I have known him since the day he was born so there was no reason to doubt the things he told me. You guys can justify this any way you choose. The Carolina Way has been shown to be a fraud to anyone with a brain
Re: Dear Dr. Everts
Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 9:02 am
by Longrifle28
AppSt94 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2017 7:51 am
WVAPPeer wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2017 2:30 am
It still mystifies me that some think these classes were open to ALL Students - are you telling me there were only a couple of hundred students a semester at UNC who would have signed up for a Sure A with no class time and no work - even a very conscientious student - which I was not - could have used a little GPA addition from time to time - if you believe these classes were known to an enrollment of 30,000 and only 100 signed up for a sure A - then, as they say, I have a bridge you might be interested in --- Come on guys !!! - my best friend's son was on one of these teams and he took Swahili and 3-4 AFAM courses, told his sister who was a regular student who told a couple of her sorority sisters who needed a GPA boost --- Total JOKE
So you have provided hearsay on how the General population heard about the classes. Can you provide proof that anyone was denied access to the class? I am sure that all of these questions and more were asked by not only the NCAA but also the accedidation team. While you fail to understand how people can believe that these classes weren't really open to everyone, I find it hard to understand those who think that the facts were simply dismissed because they are Carolina. Hat is insulting to those governing bodies and their ability to remain impartial. Come on man. Their are more people in this world that don't care about Carolina sports than do.
https://alumni.unc.edu/news/wainstein-c ... ss-scheme/
Not sure about the general population, but here is an article published by UNC that explains how the athletes were steered into the classes. I have read emails that basically stated, due to too many regular students enrolling in these classes they needed to get them reigned in.
Re: Dear Dr. Everts
Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 9:10 am
by Longrifle28
AppSt94 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2017 7:51 am
WVAPPeer wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2017 2:30 am
It still mystifies me that some think these classes were open to ALL Students - are you telling me there were only a couple of hundred students a semester at UNC who would have signed up for a Sure A with no class time and no work - even a very conscientious student - which I was not - could have used a little GPA addition from time to time - if you believe these classes were known to an enrollment of 30,000 and only 100 signed up for a sure A - then, as they say, I have a bridge you might be interested in --- Come on guys !!! - my best friend's son was on one of these teams and he took Swahili and 3-4 AFAM courses, told his sister who was a regular student who told a couple of her sorority sisters who needed a GPA boost --- Total JOKE
So you have provided hearsay on how the General population heard about the classes. Can you provide proof that anyone was denied access to the class? I am sure that all of these questions and more were asked by not only the NCAA but also the accedidation team. While you fail to understand how people can believe that these classes weren't really open to everyone, I find it hard to understand those who think that the facts were simply dismissed because they are Carolina. Hat is insulting to those governing bodies and their ability to remain impartial. Come on man. Their are more people in this world that don't care about Carolina sports than do.
http://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/ ... 73428.html
Here is an article that explains how they kept regular students out.
Re: Dear Dr. Everts
Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 11:45 am
by AppSt94
WVAPPeer wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2017 8:50 am
94 and 91 I could give a shit about unc and what did or didnt happen to them. My information came directly from a basketball player who was on the early 2000 teams. I have known him since the day he was born so there was no reason to doubt the things he told me. You guys can justify this any way you choose. The Carolina Way has been shown to be a fraud to anyone with a brain
So are you saying that anyone that doesn't see the situation the same way that you do doesn't have a brain? Come on Ned. We can disagree on things and be civil.
Re: Dear Dr. Everts
Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:02 pm
by WVAPPeer
No - that's not what I am saying - After hearing a couple of attorneys/sports people like Jay Bilas explain how this was out of the realm of the NCAA I expected minimal penalties (although I did think they would slap them on the wrist) - What rubs me the wrong way are those who claim UNC did nothing wrong - My daughter (APP grad) is a Director of Development for one of the UNC Medical School Divisions where she has to attend a number of UNC functions and she relays to me some of the outrageous comments she hears ---
Re: Dear Dr. Everts
Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:27 am
by NewApp
I was at a Boy Scout tailgate for the Asheboro High School football game last Friday night and one of the UNC fans said something like, "It's a shame 'we' had to spend $15 million in lawyer fees to show Carolina was doing it the right way." I just about croaked.
Re: Dear Dr. Everts
Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 11:03 am
by Longrifle28
NewApp wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:27 am
I was at a Boy Scout tailgate for the Asheboro High School football game last Friday night and one of the UNC fans said something like, "It's a shame 'we' had to spend $15 million in lawyer fees to show Carolina was doing it the right way." I just about croaked.
It was more like 18 million and since they got to get away with it, they would probably consider it money well spent.
I had one the other day say that it was because the NCAA had no jurisdiction over academics. I asked him if he felt good that UNC was able to cheat the system by creating an illegitimate curriculum and by not self reporting kept it out of the NCAA's jurisdiction. He said what do you mean by illegitimate and I pointed out that they were the only major research university ever put on probation by SACSCOC specifically for this. And after the articles that I referenced earlier, anyone that says it wasn't created for athletics is full of crap.
Re: Dear Dr. Everts
Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 2:29 pm
by bcoach
Just as a side note that is a public university to that was OUR money they spent not theirs.
Re: Dear Dr. Everts
Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 2:49 pm
by Yosef84
bcoach wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 2:29 pm
Just as a side note that is a public university to that was OUR money they spent not theirs.
I would wager that public funds were not used to defend this case. UNC has plenty of private funds available. I'm sure that's how they keep the legislature from getting involved with this.
Re: Dear Dr. Everts
Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 2:51 pm
by GreatAppSt
bcoach wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 2:29 pm
that was OUR money they spent not theirs.
^^^^
This!
Re: Dear Dr. Everts
Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 2:54 pm
by bcoach
Yosef84 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 2:49 pm
bcoach wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 2:29 pm
Just as a side note that is a public university to that was OUR money they spent not theirs.
I would wager that public funds were not used to defend this case. UNC has plenty of private funds available. I'm sure that's how they keep the legislature from getting involved with this.
Don't want it or need it, but I would have to see proof to be able to believe it.
Re: Dear Dr. Everts
Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 4:37 pm
by appbio91
Athletes were directed to the classes to stay eligible, the general population stumbled upon them.
Re: Dear Dr. Everts
Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 8:28 pm
by Cro-Magnon App
What they did lose was credibility. All over the country. And all you need to do to offend their grads or put them on edge is to mention it. Be a long time, maybe a couple of generations, before people will forget. They have to live with it and no matter what they say it has to eat at them.
Re: Dear Dr. Everts
Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 8:28 am
by WVAPPeer
appbio91 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 4:37 pm
Athletes were directed to the classes to stay eligible, the general population stumbled upon them.
Most of the general population didn't stumble upon them - the players told close friends and relatives to sign up - I know this for a fact because a former player told me he told his sister how to sign up as well as a couple of her sorority sisters
But honestly I am tired of all of this - all it does is point out if you (person,organization,university,president) have enough money and are willing to pay whatever it might take, you can walk away without even a slap on the wrist ---
Re: Dear Dr. Everts
Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 9:03 am
by bcoach
WVAPPeer wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2017 8:28 am
appbio91 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 4:37 pm
Athletes were directed to the classes to stay eligible, the general population stumbled upon them.
Most of the general population didn't stumble upon them - the players told close friends and relatives to sign up - I know this for a fact because a former player told me he told his sister how to sign up as well as a couple of her sorority sisters
But honestly I am tired of all of this - all it does is point out if you (person,organization,university,president) have enough money and are willing to pay whatever it might take, you can walk away without even a slap on the wrist ---
That is exactly correct. It is the monster we have created.
Re: Dear Dr. Everts
Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:24 pm
by Yosef10
appbio91 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 4:37 pm
Athletes were directed to the classes to stay eligible, the general population stumbled upon them.
Was more of the Greek students than the general population. Athletes and fraternity/sorority kids were who comprised the classes basically in totality.
Re: Dear Dr. Everts
Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:57 am
by NewApp
AppSt94 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2017 7:51 am
WVAPPeer wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2017 2:30 am
It still mystifies me that some think these classes were open to ALL Students - are you telling me there were only a couple of hundred students a semester at UNC who would have signed up for a Sure A with no class time and no work - even a very conscientious student - which I was not - could have used a little GPA addition from time to time - if you believe these classes were known to an enrollment of 30,000 and only 100 signed up for a sure A - then, as they say, I have a bridge you might be interested in --- Come on guys !!! - my best friend's son was on one of these teams and he took Swahili and 3-4 AFAM courses, told his sister who was a regular student who told a couple of her sorority sisters who needed a GPA boost --- Total JOKE
So you have provided hearsay on how the General population heard about the classes. Can you provide proof that anyone was denied access to the class? I am sure that all of these questions and more were asked by not only the NCAA but also the accedidation team. While you fail to understand how people can believe that these classes weren't really open to everyone, I find it hard to understand those who think that the facts were simply dismissed because they are Carolina. Hat is insulting to those governing bodies and their ability to remain impartial. Come on man.
Their are more people in this world that don't care about Carolina sports than do.
Unfortunately, not by much of a margin in North Carolina. Heck there was just about as much Carolina blue at our basketball game in Holmes the other year as black and gold.
Re: Dear Dr. Everts
Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:14 am
by NoLongerLurking
NewApp wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:57 am
AppSt94 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2017 7:51 am
WVAPPeer wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2017 2:30 am
It still mystifies me that some think these classes were open to ALL Students - are you telling me there were only a couple of hundred students a semester at UNC who would have signed up for a Sure A with no class time and no work - even a very conscientious student - which I was not - could have used a little GPA addition from time to time - if you believe these classes were known to an enrollment of 30,000 and only 100 signed up for a sure A - then, as they say, I have a bridge you might be interested in --- Come on guys !!! - my best friend's son was on one of these teams and he took Swahili and 3-4 AFAM courses, told his sister who was a regular student who told a couple of her sorority sisters who needed a GPA boost --- Total JOKE
So you have provided hearsay on how the General population heard about the classes. Can you provide proof that anyone was denied access to the class? I am sure that all of these questions and more were asked by not only the NCAA but also the accedidation team. While you fail to understand how people can believe that these classes weren't really open to everyone, I find it hard to understand those who think that the facts were simply dismissed because they are Carolina. Hat is insulting to those governing bodies and their ability to remain impartial. Come on man.
Their are more people in this world that don't care about Carolina sports than do.
Unfortunately, not by much of a margin in North Carolina. Heck there was just about as much Carolina blue at our basketball game in Holmes the other year as black and gold.
The other year.... was 17 years ago.