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Or another 1940 flood. Seriously.
Not even a 1940 flood. I’ve seen Duncan and rankin flood, knee deep running water in the Peacock parking lot and just the top of the gazebo sticking out of the water in Durham park. That was all this decade. There is a reason they have sandbags in front of Duncan hall facing rivers street
I love tailgating, but agree that 5-6 days a year shouldn't take precedence over the rest of the year. Plus, there are plenty of ways to pregame without a physical tailgate, and I think we can figure it out as a fanbase.
The flood plain will be the flood plain based on the amount of water needed to find a place to go. Daylighting the creek will help with water quality, and make this area orders of magnitude more beautiful in my estimation. It could hurt tailgating but there are many more positives that are important 358 other days each year.The Rock wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 10:29 amLots of things can be done to mitigate flooding. Permeable asphalt, pavers, stormwater detention systems can all be installed to reduce runoff and slow down flooding. App does none of those things. This is not App being green, they have had plenty of opportunities to do that and have not; this is the Town of Boone pushing to put a parking deck up. Since the one at the site of the proposed hotel (formerly student housing with parking deck; corner of King and Waters St) fell through, they are scrambling to find some place to put one. Town tax payers are going to foot a large part of the bill for a "public" parking deck that will consist of mostly ASU students, just like the spots on King st are. It cannot be avoided, there is no way to verify legitimate ASU student shopping on King St or going to class, and this will be no different.
The day-lighting of the stream is a way to sell this to the community. It may have a small benefit to some buildings on campus in the immediate area, but the majority of water and associated flooding comes downstream of this project and the benefits to the large majority of campus and Boone as a whole will be very slim.
I know parking lots are unattractive, and you can say games only impact 6 days a year; but I really think we are underestimating the impact App State football has on this university and the whole community, and the game day atmosphere is a HUGE part of that. Continuing to replace 1000 spot parking lots with parking decks where only 200 spots are in the sunshine will have an adverse impact on tailgating and could hurt ticket sales, which is the lifeblood of the program.
It also seems like a bad idea to expand the floodplain in an area that is a main connector for the east and west side of campus, a walkway for many students going from Walker to Raley, and the main hub for Appalcarts.
If the Town and ASU where really wanting to be proactive and help flooding in the whole town, they would have developed a fund to either increase pipe diameters or day -light the stream along that whole area to alleviate flooding. This is a drop in the bucket (no pun intended) to the flooding issues just on this one stream.
Incorrect. Daylighting, unless they are creating a very deep channel, will have to expand the width of the floodplain. That is the point of creating the green space; that will be a storage area for flood waters much like Durham park is.McLeansvilleAppFan wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:35 amThe flood plain will be the flood plain based on the amount of water needed to find a place to go. Daylighting the creek will help with water quality, and make this area orders of magnitude more beautiful in my estimation. It could hurt tailgating but there are many more positives that are important 358 other days each year.The Rock wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 10:29 amLots of things can be done to mitigate flooding. Permeable asphalt, pavers, stormwater detention systems can all be installed to reduce runoff and slow down flooding. App does none of those things. This is not App being green, they have had plenty of opportunities to do that and have not; this is the Town of Boone pushing to put a parking deck up. Since the one at the site of the proposed hotel (formerly student housing with parking deck; corner of King and Waters St) fell through, they are scrambling to find some place to put one. Town tax payers are going to foot a large part of the bill for a "public" parking deck that will consist of mostly ASU students, just like the spots on King st are. It cannot be avoided, there is no way to verify legitimate ASU student shopping on King St or going to class, and this will be no different.
The day-lighting of the stream is a way to sell this to the community. It may have a small benefit to some buildings on campus in the immediate area, but the majority of water and associated flooding comes downstream of this project and the benefits to the large majority of campus and Boone as a whole will be very slim.
I know parking lots are unattractive, and you can say games only impact 6 days a year; but I really think we are underestimating the impact App State football has on this university and the whole community, and the game day atmosphere is a HUGE part of that. Continuing to replace 1000 spot parking lots with parking decks where only 200 spots are in the sunshine will have an adverse impact on tailgating and could hurt ticket sales, which is the lifeblood of the program.
It also seems like a bad idea to expand the floodplain in an area that is a main connector for the east and west side of campus, a walkway for many students going from Walker to Raley, and the main hub for Appalcarts.
If the Town and ASU where really wanting to be proactive and help flooding in the whole town, they would have developed a fund to either increase pipe diameters or day -light the stream along that whole area to alleviate flooding. This is a drop in the bucket (no pun intended) to the flooding issues just on this one stream.
Nature determines the floodplain. Engineers can try to estimate the extent of excess water flow based on historical weather data, existing and proposed upstream development, existing and proposed detention AND retention ponds and the conditions within the floodplain that either promote or inhibit water flow. Any “reasonably” sized pipe would quickly be overwhelmed by a 500 year flood.The Rock wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:57 amIncorrect. Daylighting, unless they are creating a very deep channel, will have to expand the width of the floodplain. That is the point of creating the green space; that will be a storage area for flood waters much like Durham park is.McLeansvilleAppFan wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:35 amThe flood plain will be the flood plain based on the amount of water needed to find a place to go. Daylighting the creek will help with water quality, and make this area orders of magnitude more beautiful in my estimation. It could hurt tailgating but there are many more positives that are important 358 other days each year.The Rock wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 10:29 amLots of things can be done to mitigate flooding. Permeable asphalt, pavers, stormwater detention systems can all be installed to reduce runoff and slow down flooding. App does none of those things. This is not App being green, they have had plenty of opportunities to do that and have not; this is the Town of Boone pushing to put a parking deck up. Since the one at the site of the proposed hotel (formerly student housing with parking deck; corner of King and Waters St) fell through, they are scrambling to find some place to put one. Town tax payers are going to foot a large part of the bill for a "public" parking deck that will consist of mostly ASU students, just like the spots on King st are. It cannot be avoided, there is no way to verify legitimate ASU student shopping on King St or going to class, and this will be no different.
The day-lighting of the stream is a way to sell this to the community. It may have a small benefit to some buildings on campus in the immediate area, but the majority of water and associated flooding comes downstream of this project and the benefits to the large majority of campus and Boone as a whole will be very slim.
I know parking lots are unattractive, and you can say games only impact 6 days a year; but I really think we are underestimating the impact App State football has on this university and the whole community, and the game day atmosphere is a HUGE part of that. Continuing to replace 1000 spot parking lots with parking decks where only 200 spots are in the sunshine will have an adverse impact on tailgating and could hurt ticket sales, which is the lifeblood of the program.
It also seems like a bad idea to expand the floodplain in an area that is a main connector for the east and west side of campus, a walkway for many students going from Walker to Raley, and the main hub for Appalcarts.
If the Town and ASU where really wanting to be proactive and help flooding in the whole town, they would have developed a fund to either increase pipe diameters or day -light the stream along that whole area to alleviate flooding. This is a drop in the bucket (no pun intended) to the flooding issues just on this one stream.
Otherwise, this project wouldn’t alleviate flooding at all.
John-N-Houston wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 10:43 amNature determines the floodplain. Engineers can try to estimate the extent of excess water flow based on historical weather data, existing and proposed upstream development, existing and proposed detention AND retention ponds and the conditions within the floodplain that either promote or inhibit water flow. Any “reasonably” sized pipe would quickly be overwhelmed by a 500 year flood.The Rock wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:57 amIncorrect. Daylighting, unless they are creating a very deep channel, will have to expand the width of the floodplain. That is the point of creating the green space; that will be a storage area for flood waters much like Durham park is.McLeansvilleAppFan wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:35 amThe flood plain will be the flood plain based on the amount of water needed to find a place to go. Daylighting the creek will help with water quality, and make this area orders of magnitude more beautiful in my estimation. It could hurt tailgating but there are many more positives that are important 358 other days each year.The Rock wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 10:29 amLots of things can be done to mitigate flooding. Permeable asphalt, pavers, stormwater detention systems can all be installed to reduce runoff and slow down flooding. App does none of those things. This is not App being green, they have had plenty of opportunities to do that and have not; this is the Town of Boone pushing to put a parking deck up. Since the one at the site of the proposed hotel (formerly student housing with parking deck; corner of King and Waters St) fell through, they are scrambling to find some place to put one. Town tax payers are going to foot a large part of the bill for a "public" parking deck that will consist of mostly ASU students, just like the spots on King st are. It cannot be avoided, there is no way to verify legitimate ASU student shopping on King St or going to class, and this will be no different.
The day-lighting of the stream is a way to sell this to the community. It may have a small benefit to some buildings on campus in the immediate area, but the majority of water and associated flooding comes downstream of this project and the benefits to the large majority of campus and Boone as a whole will be very slim.
I know parking lots are unattractive, and you can say games only impact 6 days a year; but I really think we are underestimating the impact App State football has on this university and the whole community, and the game day atmosphere is a HUGE part of that. Continuing to replace 1000 spot parking lots with parking decks where only 200 spots are in the sunshine will have an adverse impact on tailgating and could hurt ticket sales, which is the lifeblood of the program.
It also seems like a bad idea to expand the floodplain in an area that is a main connector for the east and west side of campus, a walkway for many students going from Walker to Raley, and the main hub for Appalcarts.
If the Town and ASU where really wanting to be proactive and help flooding in the whole town, they would have developed a fund to either increase pipe diameters or day -light the stream along that whole area to alleviate flooding. This is a drop in the bucket (no pun intended) to the flooding issues just on this one stream.
Otherwise, this project wouldn’t alleviate flooding at all.
Two years ago I evacuated my home in what some people called a 10,000 year flood. I have my doubts that that was a correct assessment, but I have no doubt that major floods are occurring at an alarmingly increasing rate. Do not take these proposals lightly. A cavalier attitude now could prove dangerous in the near future.