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"But what’s clear is that the proposal would remove a cap on classroom size and decrease funding for teachers. That would lead to fewer teachers for more students in classrooms.

The proposal also eliminates teacher assistants in second and third grades and phases out salary supplements for master’s degrees for teachers who didn’t already have them in 2013-14. Those supplements would end in 2014-15.

The Senate also doesn’t increase funds for textbooks or instructional supplies."


This will run off so many good teachers. I can't believe the people of North Carolina are allowing this to happen. These people in our state Gov are going beyond just ruining out education they are going to make it so bad that it takes decades to repair. It is a sad sign for NC when these cuts just continue to roll out one after the other and the masses don't do anything about it. The worst part is that the general population probably doesn't even know that it is going on because so many don't bother to enlighten themselves with what happens in their own state government.

If you know any app kids who are either in the master program or just got out of it or hell if they are even thinking about it then you should let them know about this.

its pretty bad for teachers all over the country, I have friends here in Florida who teach, and they complain about severe cut backs , pretty much forcing teachers to leave and try and find jobs in other states. Question, thoses cutbacks for NC teachers seem pretty severe, is there a reason why the teachers union couldnt stop this from happening?

They would be sending a horrible message by cutting supplements for masters degrees- Furthering your education is great- unless you are an educator; then it is of no value to you.
This will have terrible implications for our entire PK-16 system.
North Carolina's strategy, based on Gormanesque bogus quasi "research" is to hire teachers at a decent starting wage, use them for 3-4 years, then when it is time that should be paid as professionals, make their compensation so undesirable they will leave, and then bring in more suckers to replace them. Sort of like Teach for America- then get the hell out and make money. That way, they don't have to pay for salary step increases, longevity, etc...
Now, the patheticly weak NCAE will howl and protest and then bend over.

Tragic that this is even being considered.

after reading this article again, it seems that the state is "stabbing the teachers in the back", but the teachers handed them the knife. By actually sending money back in the form of revisons, they have given the state the excuse they needed to make cuts, basically saying the schools are not spending the money we are giving them, therefore we are justified making cuts. You guys are right about teachers who have masters, whats the point of even getting one, if you are going to be paid on the same payscale as a teacher with just a BS degree.

And this is the danger of voting straight ticket and allowing any single party full control.

appdaze wrote:http://www.carolinacoastonline.com/news ... f887a.html


"But what’s clear is that the proposal would remove a cap on classroom size and decrease funding for teachers. That would lead to fewer teachers for more students in classrooms.

The proposal also eliminates teacher assistants in second and third grades and phases out salary supplements for master’s degrees for teachers who didn’t already have them in 2013-14. Those supplements would end in 2014-15.

The Senate also doesn’t increase funds for textbooks or instructional supplies."


This will run off so many good teachers. I can't believe the people of North Carolina are allowing this to happen. These people in our state Gov are going beyond just ruining out education they are going to make it so bad that it takes decades to repair. It is a sad sign for NC when these cuts just continue to roll out one after the other and the masses don't do anything about it. The worst part is that the general population probably doesn't even know that it is going on because so many don't bother to enlighten themselves with what happens in their own state government.

If you know any app kids who are either in the master program or just got out of it or hell if they are even thinking about it then you should let them know about this.

The goal is to kill the public education system. They want to make it so bad that people will demand a voucher system so they can get out of public schools. This is part of a coordinated effort - kill the teachers union, get rid of tenure, cut benefits and retirement packages etc. At the end of the day the only people left in public schools will be those with special needs and those who can not afford to move. If you are a teacher our republican leadership should scare the hell out of you. I am not a teacher but I have kids in the UNC system and public schools both of which are targets for these people. They think they are helping by trying to pass a bill allowing concealed weapons on college campuses. That is our leadership. Vote them out if you want it to change.

Yea republicans should scare me? That's funny because for over 100 years dems had control and we were so strong at the bottom of the nation in education.

3rd wrote:Yea republicans should scare me? That's funny because for over 100 years dems had control and we were so strong at the bottom of the nation in education.

Keep voting guns gays and religion... take these issues off the table and a repub could not get elected in the south. They simply do not have working peoples best interests on their agenda.

You have no idea half of the things that are going on in Raleigh right now also when we stop federal money depending on graduation rates our schools will turn around. NCLB and Common Core are the same thing until we let people fail who can't keep up or don't want to our education system will suffer.im sorry but when a high school teen can cuss a teacher out once a week and miss over 30+ days in a school year and still graduate on time to make graduation rates "look good" you have a problem. So please before you go blaming people for trying to better it the best way they feel how learn about the system. As I said before for 100 years dems controlled and we are near bottom of the nation so I don't think they have the answer either

I'm sensitive to these issues and I know they're painful. My mother is a school principal. These cuts are the same cuts that the private sector has been dealing with for years, however. I don't want kids to suffer, but I also don't think what we're doing is working, especially when we're having our mandates sent down from DC.

3rd wrote:You have no idea half of the things that are going on in Raleigh right now also when we stop federal money depending on graduation rates our schools will turn around. NCLB and Common Core are the same thing until we let people fail who can't keep up or don't want to our education system will suffer.im sorry but when a high school teen can cuss a teacher out once a week and miss over 30+ days in a school year and still graduate on time to make graduation rates "look good" you have a problem. So please before you go blaming people for trying to better it the best way they feel how learn about the system. As I said before for 100 years dems controlled and we are near bottom of the nation so I don't think they have the answer either

I am closer to it than you I can bet you that much. Also if I recall no child left behind was a little bush idea. It was stupid then and it is still stupid; that much we can agree on.

How about we allow parents a little choice? I don't think the problem(s) we have with education in this country is about good intentions, good/bad teachers, money, etc. I think it's the fact that we try to educate millions of children based on the same set of standards and methods, to a certain degree. One of the greatest assets we have in the US is that we're all different. We all bring different talents and perspectives and when we try to bottle them into one education style, we limit their potential.

Just my two cents.

appbio91 wrote:

3rd wrote:You have no idea half of the things that are going on in Raleigh right now also when we stop federal money depending on graduation rates our schools will turn around. NCLB and Common Core are the same thing until we let people fail who can't keep up or don't want to our education system will suffer.im sorry but when a high school teen can cuss a teacher out once a week and miss over 30+ days in a school year and still graduate on time to make graduation rates "look good" you have a problem. So please before you go blaming people for trying to better it the best way they feel how learn about the system. As I said before for 100 years dems controlled and we are near bottom of the nation so I don't think they have the answer either

I am closer to it than you I can bet you that much. Also if I recall no child left behind was a little bush idea. It was stupid then and it is still stupid; that much we can agree on.

While NCLB was a bush signing it was a liberal bill just like Clinton's Medicaid reform. Obamas common core is NCLB with a new name with slight changes

Before we had children, the idea of living in NC someday was appealing. Now it still may be, but only after all of our kids are out of school. I'm not going to voluntarily subject them to a state school system that is so incompetent at it's highest levels.

As for the earlier comment about cuts being made after proof was given that the full budget was not spent, that is Government Funding 101. Anyone who is surprised by that needs to learn how the system works.

appbio91 wrote:

3rd wrote:You have no idea half of the things that are going on in Raleigh right now also when we stop federal money depending on graduation rates our schools will turn around. NCLB and Common Core are the same thing until we let people fail who can't keep up or don't want to our education system will suffer.im sorry but when a high school teen can cuss a teacher out once a week and miss over 30+ days in a school year and still graduate on time to make graduation rates "look good" you have a problem. So please before you go blaming people for trying to better it the best way they feel how learn about the system. As I said before for 100 years dems controlled and we are near bottom of the nation so I don't think they have the answer either

I am closer to it than you I can bet you that much. Also if I recall no child left behind was a little bush idea. It was stupid then and it is still stupid; that much we can agree on.

While NCLB was a bush signing it was a liberal bill just like Clinton's Medicaid reform was a bone thrown to republicans. Obamas common core is NCLB with a new name with slight changes

The school systems can not budget to save money this year without losing funding for the next year. This is main problem

Okay let me try again. Free access to public education is an American ideal. However we are not all equipped or inclined to take advantage of this wonderful opportunity on equal footing. Figuring out how to serve all while allowing the best to excel is a tough nut that neither party has been able to crack. How about that?

The school systems can not budget to save money this year without losing funding for the next year. This is main problem. And your exactly right I went to prom back in the day with a German girl. In 8th grade they had to take a test and depending on how they did decided if they went 1.into work force 2.went to high school 3. Went to high school then college. This is how many countries do it we educate everyone very tough task to educate everyone and yet still let the best excel. And also at some point the individual counties have some blame here

appbio91 wrote:Okay let me try again. Free access to public education is an American ideal. However we are not all equipped or inclined to take advantage of this wonderful opportunity on equal footing. Figuring out how to serve all while allowing the best to excel is a tough nut that neither party has been able to crack. How about that?

I would agree with you that it's an American Ideal, but public education is not free. I think what you'll find outside of the public sector is that most Americans don't have tenure, and many wonder why anyone should be guaranteed their job. Most guaranteed pensions are certainly becoming extinct, and did a long time ago for us.

HeffnerIV wrote:

appbio91 wrote:Okay let me try again. Free access to public education is an American ideal. However we are not all equipped or inclined to take advantage of this wonderful opportunity on equal footing. Figuring out how to serve all while allowing the best to excel is a tough nut that neither party has been able to crack. How about that?

I would agree with you that it's an American Ideal, but public education is not free. I think what you'll find outside of the public sector is that most Americans don't have tenure, and many wonder why anyone should be guaranteed their job. Most guaranteed pensions are certainly becoming extinct, and did a long time ago for us.

I have one and I am in the private sector. We should not be worried about why these public servants who make below competitive wages have good benefits but instead we should be outraged that most of us no longer have them. Why can Apple make 100's of billions of dollars and only pay taxes on a very small portion. They whine about being competitive all the while using slave labor in China to make their products. These greedy pigs could have kept these jobs in Amedica and still made shit loads of money. But they would have to pay a competitive wage and pay taxes. Oh woe is me I might only make 75 billion instead of a hundred. That is what we sbould be outraged about not that my mother who worked in public education for 35 years has a good retirement. Give me a break.