Tim Burwell, vice provost for resource management in the Office of Academic Affairs, told the Senate on April 28 that 21 faculty members have left or have indicated they are leaving for non-retirement reasons since the 2012-13 academic year. Of those, he said, 15 faculty members expressed no desire for a counter-offer from ASU.

But figures from Anthony Calamai, dean of the university's largest college, the College of Arts and Sciences, are even higher. Calamai said that 22 faculty have said they are leaving the college this year alone. That's up from five last year, four in 2011-12, four in 2010-11 and four in 2009-10 -- "from the best we can tell," he said. "As you go further back, we could be missing one or two."

Rekdiver wrote:What is average turnover? This has everything to do with state budget cuts. Proportionate departures are happening in public schools...and for non retirement reasons.

sonsofyosef wrote:Anyone know what's behind the Dean of the College of Education stepping down after only 9 months on the job??

ASUPATCH wrote:Real Estate in Boone is so expensive. The difference between what 200,000 buy you in Boone compared to Charlotte, Greensboro, Winston, Asheville Chapel Hill is astounding. Professors at other Universities are living high on the hog while in Boone they are just doing well. I'm sure they visit and see the homes of their former Doctorate pals and get very envious.

Maddog1956 wrote:

ASUPATCH wrote:Real Estate in Boone is so expensive. The difference between what 200,000 buy you in Boone compared to Charlotte, Greensboro, Winston, Asheville Chapel Hill is astounding. Professors at other Universities are living high on the hog while in Boone they are just doing well. I'm sure they visit and see the homes of their former Doctorate pals and get very envious.

They must not be Business Professors then, I would want to buy in a place that I could sell for $$$ more than I paid years ago. According to Turlia "Compared to the same period one year ago, the median home sales price increased 18.9%, or $35,500". There is an upside to being in a strong housing market.

Unless they are selling while the market is up in boone and down in other places.

WataugaMan wrote:Speaking of High Country Real Estate, my brother bought a house in the Vilas area last year (a foreclosure) for $219K. He had some work done, did a lot of it himself, and recently the house was appraised at $450K. There are deals out there, just have to do some digging.

clayton wrote:I doubt this has a lot to do with the cost of living in Boone.

Sure, it's higher than a lot of places in North Carolina. But, if a professor comes from a big city outside of the state, they won't blink at the cost of living in Boone and there's a good chance it'll be a lot lower than what they've seen.

Besides, the cost of living in Boone did not explode over the past 12 months.

ASUPATCH wrote:

clayton wrote:I doubt this has a lot to do with the cost of living in Boone.

Sure, it's higher than a lot of places in North Carolina. But, if a professor comes from a big city outside of the state, they won't blink at the cost of living in Boone and there's a good chance it'll be a lot lower than what they've seen.

Besides, the cost of living in Boone did not explode over the past 12 months.

My family is considering a move to Denver Colorado due to our housing market. Also offering me a 50% over my current position. Yes you can get a lot more house in Denver or its suburbs than you can Boone with a similar lifestyle(mountains etc). Atlanta, Miami, Orlando, Nashville, Dallas, Houston, Tampa, Las Vegas, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Minneapolis, OKC and many others are much cheaper. Outside of the usual suspects, Mass, NYC, DC and California, the high country is one of the more expensive places in the nation to call home.

Maddog1956 wrote:

ASUPATCH wrote:

clayton wrote:I doubt this has a lot to do with the cost of living in Boone.

Sure, it's higher than a lot of places in North Carolina. But, if a professor comes from a big city outside of the state, they won't blink at the cost of living in Boone and there's a good chance it'll be a lot lower than what they've seen.

Besides, the cost of living in Boone did not explode over the past 12 months.

My family is considering a move to Denver Colorado due to our housing market. Also offering me a 50% over my current position. Yes you can get a lot more house in Denver or its suburbs than you can Boone with a similar lifestyle(mountains etc). Atlanta, Miami, Orlando, Nashville, Dallas, Houston, Tampa, Las Vegas, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Minneapolis, OKC and many others are much cheaper. Outside of the usual suspects, Mass, NYC, DC and California, the high country is one of the more expensive places in the nation to call home.

You might be right, I know averages don't tell the whole story, but housing for professors usually are more in more demanded areas and according to Trulia here are some averages.

The median sales price for homes in Denver CO for Jan 14 to Apr 14 was $255,500
The median sales price for homes in Boone NC for Jan 14 to Apr 14 was $223,000

Average Price Per Sqft. for Homes in Denver = $248
Average Price Per Sqft. for Homes in Denver = $170

The average listing price for Denver homes for sale on Trulia was $500,731
The average listing price for Boone homes for sale on Trulia was $358,340

ASUPATCH wrote:
Let me restate, the greater Denver Metro Area which I consider Denver is much cheaper. Denver proper is very small size wise. Yes if I want a high rise condo downtown it will be pricey. I have two kids and a dog, I will be in the suburbs where 250-300 buys far more house than it does in Boone.

Maddog1956 wrote:

ASUPATCH wrote:
Let me restate, the greater Denver Metro Area which I consider Denver is much cheaper. Denver proper is very small size wise. Yes if I want a high rise condo downtown it will be pricey. I have two kids and a dog, I will be in the suburbs where 250-300 buys far more house than it does in Boone.

Like I said, you could be right I don't have first hand experience.

Maddog1956 wrote:

WataugaMan wrote:Speaking of High Country Real Estate, my brother bought a house in the Vilas area last year (a foreclosure) for $219K. He had some work done, did a lot of it himself, and recently the house was appraised at $450K. There are deals out there, just have to do some digging.

There you go!

In all fairness however, I did read a post by one of the professors that said he was leaving and he did say the housing market was part of it. He said he came with a Phd and started at $50 and six years later is making $52, that's pretty bad for a Phd. He taught Planning and I would think that you'd start in a planning department at least at $65-$75k.

Personally I think with NC and Watauga County becoming so much more conservative there will be a certain drain in Boone. Just by nature Phd's tend to lean to the left.

T-Dog wrote:http://www2.wataugademocrat.com/News/st ... -id-014937

Tim Burwell, vice provost for resource management in the Office of Academic Affairs, told the Senate on April 28 that 21 faculty members have left or have indicated they are leaving for non-retirement reasons since the 2012-13 academic year. Of those, he said, 15 faculty members expressed no desire for a counter-offer from ASU.

But figures from Anthony Calamai, dean of the university's largest college, the College of Arts and Sciences, are even higher. Calamai said that 22 faculty have said they are leaving the college this year alone. That's up from five last year, four in 2011-12, four in 2010-11 and four in 2009-10 -- "from the best we can tell," he said. "As you go further back, we could be missing one or two."

Cuts in UNC system funding, growing cost of living in the High Country and lack of pay-raises are some of the culprits, but could this issue dig deeper? I'm sure the faculty's favorite provost Lori Gonzales belongs in the conversation as well. Is it just a vocal minority that's getting fed up with the other side having the leverage or is it a bigger issue?