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2014-2015 Per Semester On-Campus Tuition and Fees

(Fees are required of all students based on the schedule below, they are not optional. ASU fees are established and approved by both the University and the State of North Carolina)

Undergraduate


Credit Hours

>0-5

6-8

9-11

12+

Interns **

Student Teaching 12+

Tuition $472.00 $944.00 $1,416.00 $1,886.00 $1,886.00 $1,886.00
Ed & Tech Fee $82.50 $165.00 $247.50 $247.50 $247.50 $247.50
Athletic Fee $117.00 $234.00 $350.50 $350.50 $350.50 $350.50
Health Services Fee -- -- $134.00 $134.00 $134.00 $134.00
Student Activity Fee
Educational, Recreational and Renewable Energy Initiative $60.00 $119.50 $179.00 $179.00 $179.00 $179.00
Cultural Affairs $6.00 $12.50 $18.50 $18.50 $18.50 $18.50
Student Union Operations $38.00 $76.00 $114.00 $114.00 $114.00 $114.00
Retirement of Debt
Athletics Facilities $30.00 $60.00 $90.00 $90.00 $90.00 $90.00
Dining Facility $17.50 $35.00 $52.50 $52.50 $52.50 $52.50
Student Recreation Center $23.50 $47.00 $71.00 $71.00 $71.00 $71.00
Student Union Addition $16.50 $33.00 $50.00 $50.00 $50.00 $50.00
Honors and Engagement Village $6.50 $13.00 $19.00 $19.00 $19.00 $19.00
Infrastructure Improvements $2.50 $5.00 $7.00 $7.00 $7.00 $7.00
Book Rental Fee $41.50 $83.00 $125.00 $125.00 -- --
Transportation Fee $19.00 $38.00 $57.00 $57.00 $57.00 $57.00
ASG Fee $.20 $.30 $.50 $.50 $.50 $.50
Insurance Fee -- -- -- -- **See Below **See Below
Total In-State $932.70 $1,865.30 $2,931.50 $3,401.50 $3,291.50 $3,291.50
Out-of-State Surcharge $1,645.50 $3,291.00 $4,936.50 $6,583.50 $6,583.50 $6,583.50
Total Out-of-State $2,578.20 $5,156.30 $7,867.50 $9,985.00 $9,875.00 $9,875.00



Graduate


Credit Hours

>0-2

3-5

6-8

9+

Tuition $538.00 $1,076.00 $1,614.00 $2,151.50
Ed & Tech Fee $82.50 $82.50 $165.00 $247.50
Athletic Fee $117.00 $117.00 $234.00 $350.50
Health Services Fee -- -- -- $134.00
Student Activity Fee
Educational, Recreational and Renewable Energy Initiative $60.00 $60.00 $120.00 $179.00
Cultural Affairs $6.00 $6.00 $12.00 $18.50
Student Union Operations $38.00 $38.00 $76.00 $114.00
Retirement of Debt
Athletics Facilities $30.00 $30.00 $60.00 $90.00
Dining Facility $17.50 $17.50 $35.00 $52.50
Student Recreation Center $23.50 $23.50 $47.00 $71.00
Student Union Addition $16.50 $16.50 $33.00 $50.00
Honors and Engagement Village $6.50 $6.50 $13.00 $19.00
Infrastructure Improvements $2.50 $2.50 $5.00 $7.00
Grad Student Fee -- -- -- --
Transportation Fee $19.00 $19.00 $38.00 $57.00
ASG Fee $0.20 $0.20 $0.30 $0.50
Total In-State $957.20 $1,495.20 $2,452.30 $3,452.00
Out-of-State Surcharge $1,493.50 $2,987.00 $4,479.50 $5,972.50
Total Out-of-State $2,450.70 $4,482.20 $6,931.80 $9,514.50



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Meal

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Housing

Option

Low $1,005.00 Standard $2,062.50
Standard $1,255.00 Doughton/White/Lovill//Hoey/Cannon/Frank/Cone $2,285.00
High $1,455.00 App Heights/Mountaineer $2,450.00
Training Table $1,569.23 Winkler n/a
Super $1,775.00 Living Learning Center/Newland $2,350.00
Justice/East $2,130.00
App. Panhellenic Hall $2,450.00

Extension & Distance Education Rates

NOTICE TO ALL STUDENTS ENROLLED IN INTERNSHIP OR PRACTICUM COURSES**

Appalachian State University participates in a student insurance program with other constituent institutions of the University of North Carolina. Most, if not all, internship hosts require professional liability insurance prior to a student's participation in an internship or practicum. Appalachian requires coverage for all students enrolled in internship or practicum courses, except student teaching. The premium for this coverage ($15.00 per semester or summer session) is charged to each student's account along with other registration fees. A certificate of insurance will be furnished to each student or internship host upon request. Additional information can be found at: www.registrar.appstate.edu/internship.html

TUITION SURCHARGE

Undergraduate students who initially enrolled at Appalachian in the Fall, 1994 and thereafter, must comply with North Carolina Session Law 321-89 (Senate Bill 27) and 769-17.10 (Senate Bill 1505). In 2009, the General Assembly (Senate Bill 202 - Section 9.10b) increased the surcharge rate from 25% to 50%, beginning Fall 2010. This legislation requires a tuition surcharge on: 1) all credit hours in excess of one hundred and forty (140) when taken as part of the student's first baccalaureate degree; and 2) all credit hours in excess of one hundred and ten percent (110%) of the number required for a second or subsequent baccalaureate degree. Included in the calculation of surcharge hours will be 1) all coursework attempted at Appalachian (i.e., courses earned, courses failed, courses repeated, and courses dropped after the UNC system “census” date published in the academic calendar), and 2) all coursework transferred to Appalachian from other institutions. Excluded from the calculation will be credit by examination, advance placement credit, military credit and credit earned through an extension program or during the summer at any member institution of the University of North Carolina. (Note: Every baccalaureate degree at Appalachian requires a minimum of 122 credit hours; Appalachian does not offer a baccalaureate degree that requires more than 128 credit hours.)

RESIDENCE STATUS FOR TUITION PURPOSES

The State of North Carolina, by statute, requires a one year period of domicile (permanent residence) immediately prior to the academic term for which in-state status is claimed. Please understand that domicile requires more than mere physical presence in the State; the student must be able to demonstrate conclusively that physical presence was accompanied by the intent to be permanent. Applications for in-state status are available at the Office of Admissions, first floor of John E. Thomas Hall or at http://www.registrar.appstate.edu/residency/. NOTE: If you are currently classified as a North Carolina resident for tuition purposes, but no longer permanently reside in the State, you are required by law to so inform the University. Notification should be directed to the Registrar's Office. Please indicate the date on which you ceased to reside in North Carolina.

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Appalachian State University
. . With current enrollment approximating $11 million generated annually in athletic fees. that roughly represents 260% more than health services fees collected. The fee is also 30% higher than the 2nd largest (Ed. & tech) fee. And just for laughs and giggles the cultural affairs fee at $18.50 represents 5% of the athletic fees. These fees are allocated 100% (according to the University) to their appropriations. Without knowledge, there are no solutions. MW

[App74]

In that I am in my second child and seventh consecutive year of tuition payments, I can say, from a buyers position, that I have no problem with the numbers.

As far as athletics, my daughter goes to the SRC everyday for working out and swimming. I neither know where I would find such a facility in Boone nor how much it would cost. She gets in free to all sporting events on campus. It's a good buy for me.

I am robbed monthly by BCBS to the tune of $1492 for health insurance. My family is blessed with generally good health but I'm just considered a high risk at 62. Therefore, paying more in health services is not appealing to me.

I'm not in tune as to what cultural services include. My daughter attends Wednesday night and Sunday morning church services. I like that. She is attending college and pursuing a valuable degree in order to become a productive member of society. I like that.

[Maddog1956]

In that I am in my second child and seventh consecutive year of tuition payments, I can say, from a buyers position, that I have no problem with the numbers.

As far as athletics, my daughter goes to the SRC everyday for working out and swimming. I neither know where I would find such a facility in Boone nor how much it would cost. She gets in free to all sporting events on campus. It's a good buy for me.

I'm paying two tuition over four years and agree with you about the fees that students pay APP. They have great facilities/programs that they couldn't get anywhere else for the price. While I hear the moaning and groaning about the fees student have to pay I have to think how much more appealing APP is because of of these "extra". People have to remember this isn't Charlotte, Boone doesn't have 10 gyms to be a member of in town. When I was a student I didn't have insurance and the Health Center was my doctor office.

I'll say the same about paying for football (and other sports) too! Sure, it's expensive to provide a Saturday "event" six times a year for 17,000 students, but I think it's worth it and should be paid for partially by students.

I understand people problem with students "being forced to pay whether they use them or not", but sorry that's the only way App will have these features and attract students.

[appgrouch]

In that I am in my second child and seventh consecutive year of tuition payments, I can say, from a buyers position, that I have no problem with the numbers.

As far as athletics, my daughter goes to the SRC everyday for working out and swimming. I neither know where I would find such a facility in Boone nor how much it would cost. She gets in free to all sporting events on campus. It's a good buy for me.

I am robbed monthly by BCBS to the tune of $1492 for health insurance. My family is blessed with generally good health but I'm just considered a high risk at 62. Therefore, paying more in health services is not appealing to me.

I'm not in tune as to what cultural services include. My daughter attends Wednesday night and Sunday morning church services. I like that. She is attending college and pursuing a valuable degree in order to become a productive member of society. I like that.

The SRC and UREC are in a separate fee and not part of athletics. It is a $179 fee.

[AppStateNews]

I understand people problem with students "being forced to pay whether they use them or not", but sorry that's the only way App will have these features and attract students.

In the same light, students are being forced to pay for AppalCart, SRC, new cafeteria, Student Union, intramural sports, etc. whether they use them or not.

[appgrouch]

I understand people problem with students "being forced to pay whether they use them or not", but sorry that's the only way App will have these features and attract students.

In the same light, students are being forced to pay for AppalCart, SRC, new cafeteria, Student Union, intramural sports, etc. whether they use them or not.

I think the issue is more about Athletics being (non tax purposes) being a for profit enterprise. All the other items that you listed are services designed to break even or return money to the university. Athletics has never been at a true break even point (where revenues generated by the teams and ops = the spent amount) without student fees. If you want to say that the service that it provides is getting the name of App State out there, then we would be better off hiring a marketing firm.

[ASUMountaineer]

In that I am in my second child and seventh consecutive year of tuition payments, I can say, from a buyers position, that I have no problem with the numbers.

As far as athletics, my daughter goes to the SRC everyday for working out and swimming. I neither know where I would find such a facility in Boone nor how much it would cost. She gets in free to all sporting events on campus. It's a good buy for me.

I'm paying two tuition over four years and agree with you about the fees that students pay APP. They have great facilities/programs that they couldn't get anywhere else for the price. While I hear the moaning and groaning about the fees student have to pay I have to think how much more appealing APP is because of of these "extra". People have to remember this isn't Charlotte, Boone doesn't have 10 gyms to be a member of in town. When I was a student I didn't have insurance and the Health Center was my doctor office.

I'll say the same about paying for football (and other sports) too! Sure, it's expensive to provide a Saturday "event" six times a year for 17,000 students, but I think it's worth it and should be paid for partially by students.

I understand people problem with students "being forced to pay whether they use them or not", but sorry that's the only way App will have these features and attract students.

People who don't have children pay for public schools. That argument doesn't hold a lot of water, especially since the student knew about the fees when they chose to attend Appalachian.

[Maddog1956]

I understand people problem with students "being forced to pay whether they use them or not", but sorry that's the only way App will have these features and attract students.

People who don't have children pay for public schools. That argument doesn't hold a lot of water, especially since the student knew about the fees when they chose to attend Appalachian.

They should have know about them when they decided to attend and most likely it some of the items that the fees brings that made them choose App in the first place, but it doesn't stop the moaning and groaning.

Also people that don't have children at APP don't pay "student fees" so they don't have a dog in this hunt.

[Maddog1956]

I understand people problem with students "being forced to pay whether they use them or not", but sorry that's the only way App will have these features and attract students.

In the same light, students are being forced to pay for AppalCart, SRC, new cafeteria, Student Union, intramural sports, etc. whether they use them or not.

I think the issue is more about Athletics being (non tax purposes) being a for profit enterprise. All the other items that you listed are services designed to break even or return money to the university. Athletics has never been at a true break even point (where revenues generated by the teams and ops = the spent amount) without student fees. If you want to say that the service that it provides is getting the name of App State out there, then we would be better off hiring a marketing firm.

There is relatively nothing at a state university that is "designed" to make money.Sports, transportation, classrooms, etc are mostly set up to lose money or break even at best.

If the State is looking to make money they should be investing in Apple or 3D printing (just kidding, not investment advice). There are plenty of for profit schools that do look at education that way and that's fine, but it's not the mission of public ed. I don't see anything in APP's mission statement or action plan that even goes close to ROI, etc.

Is sports in their mission statement, well I think you have to read between the lines, but to me it's a way to achieve its mission if nothing else.

To me sports is kind of like the duck pond, is there a cost with it (yes), is it ever going to make money (no), does it add value to the AppState experience (depends on the individual), would I want them to do away with it (no). I understand every student might answer those questions different, but in the end they can either choose to come or don't. (I know that's a reach, but I just like the duck pond)

[Rekdiver]

My question is why is yosefederation positing this? 6 posts since 2011. So assume you are either alumni or a professor? How about posting all the NC schools?

[NewApp]

"Also people that don't have children at APP don't pay "student fees" so they don't have a dog in this hunt."

Maddog, I mostly agree with your stance, but those of us who tentatively plan for a grandchild to attend App in the not too distant future need to at least have a beagle in the hunt as every dime matters on shoestring budgets.

I have five grandboys and one adopted son of whom I would like at least one to consider App. Two have expressed an interest and one a mega interest way way early as it may be.

[Maddog1956]

"Also people that don't have children at APP don't pay "student fees" so they don't have a dog in this hunt."

Maddog, I mostly agree with your stance, but those of us who tentatively plan for a grandchild to attend App in the not too distant future need to at least have a beagle in the hunt as every dime matters on shoestring budgets.

I have five grandboys and one adopted son of whom I would like at least one to consider App. Two have expressed an interest and one a mega interest way way early as it may be.

I hope you get to have all five grands and a son at App (maybe not at the same time).

I'm just saying that when they get ready to choose they can look at the fees and what they get for those fees and choose if they are worth it. Point being that fees are only paid by students and they know what they are getting into.

[App1990]

You guys are missing the point. All of the fees support student activities, meaning activities that prepare them for life. Student Union, Apps Programming, etc. all support social, personal and leadership development. Health, food, housing, Appalcart, etc. all support the operations of the education process. These fees support the mission of the university and serve students.

This is NOT the case with the athletics fee. It does not serve the mission of the university (it may be surprising to some, but athletics is not part of the mission). And more importantly, the athletic fees do NOT serve the students. The student athletic fees serve the alumni and fans. The fees are a subsidy to pay for a large part of alumni and fan entertainment. Of course, we fans love it but it is not right to have students pay for a huge chunk of our entertainment (over half paying with borrowed money). And to say they can go elsewhere is a cop out. Hopefully we want students to attend the university for its academics not because they can save $500 or so in athletic fees. And the fact is, the schools that have low or no athletic fees are harder to get in. It's wrong, but it is hard because its the broader system that we are a part of. And some may say its indicative of the broader society's backward priorities.

Another issue that is often overlooked or misunderstood is that fees are constrained. Increasing athletic fees constrains the ability to use fees to raise revenue for academics. It is a myth (even purposeful misleading statement) that athletics and academics are separate budgets. It is indirect, but there is a relationship (a complicated ratio of tuition, fees, etc.). But it means that raising athletic fees takes academic fees off the table, or forces them to be reduced. In trying to find revenue for the new health science building, the admin briefly thought about fees until they realized athletics took up all of that potential revenue source. And when Appalachian is facing a shrinking budget that is causing faculty to leave, students to not have classes they need, programs to be cut, and new construction not be happen, it shows very questionable priorities to raise athletics fees. I love our athletics and don't mind some subsidy, but running on 60+% subsidies (paid for by students) while also squeezing out academics is going way too far.

[Maddog1956]

This is NOT the case with the athletics fee. It does not serve the mission of the university (it may be surprising to some, but athletics is not part of the mission). And more importantly, the athletic fees do NOT serve the students. The student athletic fees serve the alumni and fans. The fees are a subsidy to pay for a large part of alumni and fan entertainment. Of course, we fans love it but it is not right to have students pay for a huge chunk of our entertainment (over half paying with borrowed money). And to say they can go elsewhere is a cop out. Hopefully we want students to attend the university for its academics not because they can save $500 or so in athletic fees. And the fact is, the schools that have low or no athletic fees are harder to get in. It's wrong, but it is hard because its the broader system that we are a part of. And some may say its indicative of the broader society's backward priorities.

You must not have been to a game, tailgated as/with a students or been to the student section during sports to think that it's only for fans and alumni. I went to App when there might have been more students than alumni at the game. I went to every home game and believe it's one of the best ways to bring students together and build a bond.

If Athletic isn't for the students why did applications rise with our success in football? Correlation doesn't prove causation, but it doesn't disprove it either and it works until a better answer comes along.

It's not copping out to say that a student will look at the total university experience (including fees) in picking a school. Some will come because of athletic, some wont come because of athletic fees. These are all factors just like location and weather are factors they must chose from. I do think that student should pick the school that they most feel aligned with. There are plenty of UNC schools with lower SAT scores (easier to get into) and lower athletic fees.

It's really a myth that athletic constrains academics. Tell that to Harvard, Duke, Davidson, etc. The only thing that constrains academics is the value that students see in the academics. If people see the value of an App education as high as they do one from Harvard, they'll be glad to pay higher academics fees. I'm not saying we want App to have just the smartest people apply or the richest but we could if academics "upped" their game. The only constraint on academics fees is the quality of academics. Also "need" should be considered. Should we replace our professors with only highly published professor, etc. If so then we might need higher fees. I kind of liked our more "down to earth" professors.

[yosefederation]

My question is why is yosefederation positing this? 6 posts since 2011. So assume you are either alumni or a professor? How about posting all the NC schools?

Actually neither but I have actually posted 70+ since transformation to yosefs cabin. Old school computer guy so not a fan of the format compared to Mountaineer message board where I posted over 500 times since joining in 2004(pre-champ years) No bandwagon here. Went to ASU 87-92 and still live and employed in Watauga Co. As for your other school backup data. Two schools researched so far: UNC $279 2013 a $31 increase from their 2007 fee of $248. NCSU is a bit more skewed since they listed 2 renovation fees: Carmichael rec. center renovations $45 and Carmichael complex expansion fee $23. Those combined with their "intercollegiate indebtedness fee" $96, still only totals $164. These are the flagship universities in our 16 school public university system with the highest athletic budgets imo. That being said will research the other 13, and get back to you.

[appbio91]

We were told that the move up would not be done on the backs of the students. So that means ticket price increase and Yosef priority levels will also go up. Let's wait and have this discussion again at that time.

MD - you raise the most important point of this thread and that is the value of an ASU degree. A while back someone posted an analysis of the ROI of an undergrad degree from universities nationwide (I believe it was a national ranking). ASU was right between UNC and NCSU. We are recognized annually as an excellent value educational institution. This has jack to do with football. I have two dogs in this hunt so the value of the degree and student fees are both important to me.