scatman77 wrote:http://www.dailytarheel.com/article/201 ... unc-system

Appalachian State University: Family and Consumer Sciences, Secondary Education; Technology Education; Mathematics, Education

Does this mean that a premier teacher education university, the best in the southeast, will now no longer prepare teachers? If so doesn't NC realize they have a teacher shortage?

appgrouch wrote:

scatman77 wrote:http://www.dailytarheel.com/article/201 ... unc-system

Appalachian State University: Family and Consumer Sciences, Secondary Education; Technology Education; Mathematics, Education

Does this mean that a premier teacher education university, the best in the southeast, will now no longer prepare teachers? If so doesn't NC realize they have a teacher shortage?

No, it means the writer and the editor need to go back to class.

The main teaching degree is still going strong. There are some of the secondary studies/concentrations that are being eliminated or combined with other programs. The Health Education Program has been combined with the PE Teacher Program to create a dual certificate program as an example. The K-12 Education programs are still going strong.

asu66 wrote:In the face of the nationwide emphasis on STEM (science, technology, engineering, and mathematics), just how does Appalachian and the BOG justify cutting "Technology Education and Mathematics Education?" I include ASU in that sentence because this cut and this wording came directly from our former (and recently deposed) Provost Lori Gonzalez. What a brilliant way for ASU to help schools improve their competitiveness with students from India, China, South Korea, et al in science and technology development.

Gonzo wrote:

asu66 wrote:In the face of the nationwide emphasis on STEM (science, technology, engineering, and mathematics), just how does Appalachian and the BOG justify cutting "Technology Education and Mathematics Education?" I include ASU in that sentence because this cut and this wording came directly from our former (and recently deposed) Provost Lori Gonzalez. What a brilliant way for ASU to help schools improve their competitiveness with students from India, China, South Korea, et al in science and technology development.

They were cut because no one was signing up for them. That was the one and only method the BOG used to select these 46 programs.

I hate the BOG system because of the Tar Heel-dominated board etc, but you can't really argue with their methodology on this one.

JTApps1 wrote:

Gonzo wrote:

asu66 wrote:In the face of the nationwide emphasis on STEM (science, technology, engineering, and mathematics), just how does Appalachian and the BOG justify cutting "Technology Education and Mathematics Education?" I include ASU in that sentence because this cut and this wording came directly from our former (and recently deposed) Provost Lori Gonzalez. What a brilliant way for ASU to help schools improve their competitiveness with students from India, China, South Korea, et al in science and technology development.

They were cut because no one was signing up for them. That was the one and only method the BOG used to select these 46 programs.

I hate the BOG system because of the Tar Heel-dominated board etc, but you can't really argue with their methodology on this one.

We also need to remember that these were majors so some of this material will still be taught as part of other education degrees. If it frees up classroom space for high demand classes then I don't have a problem with it.

asu66 wrote:"I hate the BOG system because of the Tar Heel-dominated board etc, but you can't really argue with their methodology on this one."

Well, in the big picture, you could argue with it very aggressively, but other arguments should come first. Public education in our state is in crisis and there are plenty of targets to share the blame at the local level, in pre K - 13, in higher ed. and in Raleigh. The growing poisonous atmosphere in Raleigh is a by-product of years and years of word-wars between politicians and NCAE/NEA--primarily over balancing the state budget on the backs of students and teachers; salary freezes and more recently the legislative attack on the teacher tenure law. Oh, did I mention that there's a plethora of stakeholders to share the blame?

One of the very obvious outcomes will be a teacher shortage that will challenge the wealthier school districts (Charlotte-Mecklenburg, Wake, Chapel Hill-Carboro, Guilford, Gaston, New Hanover, Winston-Salem/Forsyth, et al) and cripple the smaller, poorly funded districts. If the leadership of our state (at every level) doesn't find some common ground, and find it soon, there will be tremendous economic impact around the corner.

The coming crisis: Too few teachers for NC
http://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/op- ... 21888.html

BEST NC - Business for Educational Success and Transformation / The Crisis
(North Carolina is facing a growing skills gap...)
http://best-nc.org/the-crisis/

asu66 wrote:"I hate the BOG system because of the Tar Heel-dominated board etc, but you can't really argue with their methodology on this one."

Well, in the big picture, you could argue with it very aggressively, but other arguments should come first. Public education in our state is in crisis and there are plenty of targets to share the blame at the local level, in pre K - 13, in higher ed. and in Raleigh. The growing poisonous atmosphere in Raleigh is a by-product of years and years of word-wars between politicians and NCAE/NEA--primarily over balancing the state budget on the backs of students and teachers; salary freezes and more recently the legislative attack on the teacher tenure law. Oh, did I mention that there's a plethora of stakeholders to share the blame?

One of the very obvious outcomes will be a teacher shortage that will challenge the wealthier school districts (Charlotte-Mecklenburg, Wake, Chapel Hill-Carboro, Guilford, Gaston, New Hanover, Winston-Salem/Forsyth, et al) and cripple the smaller, poorly funded districts. If the leadership of our state (at every level) doesn't find some common ground, and find it soon, there will be tremendous economic impact around the corner.

The coming crisis: Too few teachers for NC
http://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/op- ... 21888.html

BEST NC - Business for Educational Success and Transformation / The Crisis
(North Carolina is facing a growing skills gap...)
http://best-nc.org/the-crisis/

JTApps1 wrote:

Gonzo wrote:

asu66 wrote:In the face of the nationwide emphasis on STEM (science, technology, engineering, and mathematics), just how does Appalachian and the BOG justify cutting "Technology Education and Mathematics Education?" I include ASU in that sentence because this cut and this wording came directly from our former (and recently deposed) Provost Lori Gonzalez. What a brilliant way for ASU to help schools improve their competitiveness with students from India, China, South Korea, et al in science and technology development.

They were cut because no one was signing up for them. That was the one and only method the BOG used to select these 46 programs.

I hate the BOG system because of the Tar Heel-dominated board etc, but you can't really argue with their methodology on this one.

We also need to remember that these were majors so some of this material will still be taught as part of other education degrees. If it frees up classroom space for high demand classes then I don't have a problem with it.

BTK2000 wrote:Isn't this part of the Ed department moving control of the majors to the individual colleges? So a bio education degree is now controlled by the bio department instead of the Ed department.

McLeansvilleAppFan wrote:

BTK2000 wrote:Isn't this part of the Ed department moving control of the majors to the individual colleges? So a bio education degree is now controlled by the bio department instead of the Ed department.

As far as I know the secondary degrees have always been housed in the specific departments. At least that has been the case in "University" times. I took some classes in RCOE of course but it was the Physics and Astronomy Dept that had final say on me getting a degree or not. For my wife it was the Chemistry Dept as she has a degree in Chem - Sec Ed from App. I think the same has been true for Bio or Geology as well. I can't imagine only a few depts having that connection and not others.

Edit:
Those links make sense to me. In the case of Physics - Ed I think Dr. Allen is stepping away from this program but that is another issue.

BTK2000 wrote:

McLeansvilleAppFan wrote:

BTK2000 wrote:Isn't this part of the Ed department moving control of the majors to the individual colleges? So a bio education degree is now controlled by the bio department instead of the Ed department.

As far as I know the secondary degrees have always been housed in the specific departments. At least that has been the case in "University" times. I took some classes in RCOE of course but it was the Physics and Astronomy Dept that had final say on me getting a degree or not. For my wife it was the Chemistry Dept as she has a degree in Chem - Sec Ed from App. I think the same has been true for Bio or Geology as well. I can't imagine only a few depts having that connection and not others.

Edit:
Those links make sense to me. In the case of Physics - Ed I think Dr. Allen is stepping away from this program but that is another issue.

Ok that makes perfect sense to me. Reading through the posts it appeared people think the Rcoe is being gutted. I like knowing that a hs chem teacher has a chem degree

McLeansvilleAppFan wrote:

BTK2000 wrote:Isn't this part of the Ed department moving control of the majors to the individual colleges? So a bio education degree is now controlled by the bio department instead of the Ed department.

As far as I know the secondary degrees have always been housed in the specific departments. At least that has been the case in "University" times. I took some classes in RCOE of course but it was the Physics and Astronomy Dept that had final say on me getting a degree or not. For my wife it was the Chemistry Dept as she has a degree in Chem - Sec Ed from App. I think the same has been true for Bio or Geology as well. I can't imagine only a few depts having that connection and not others.

Edit:
Those links make sense to me. In the case of Physics - Ed I think Dr. Allen is stepping away from this program but that is another issue.

DaphneUrquhart wrote:

McLeansvilleAppFan wrote:

BTK2000 wrote:Isn't this part of the Ed department moving control of the majors to the individual colleges? So a bio education degree is now controlled by the bio department instead of the Ed department.

As far as I know the secondary degrees have always been housed in the specific departments. At least that has been the case in "University" times. I took some classes in RCOE of course but it was the Physics and Astronomy Dept that had final say on me getting a degree or not. For my wife it was the Chemistry Dept as she has a degree in Chem - Sec Ed from App. I think the same has been true for Bio or Geology as well. I can't imagine only a few depts having that connection and not others.

Edit:
Those links make sense to me. In the case of Physics - Ed I think Dr. Allen is stepping away from this program but that is another issue.

I know my brother's degree is in biology and not in education. He retired from teaching high school biology / AP bio (and coaching and being an AD) after putting in his 30 years with the NC system. It doesn't surprise me to see majors consolidated or to see the administration of the various majors streamlined.