Charlie Cobb was right ---

[ASUTodd]

The Socon might have won two games against some of the Sunbelt

They definitely lost one, as Idaho beat Wofford.

By a FG at Idaho.

A loss is a loss.... 1 point or 50 points. Its still 1 in the loss column....

[NewApp]

Dumbest thread. I really don't know why some of you love talking about FCS so much, other than to pass the time while you're bored and stir something up on a message board. A win in the freaking Camellia bowl has gotten as much if not more attention than a "national championship" at the FCS level,certainly more so than any playoff game.

PS. Satt was on the Adam and Joe show here in Raleigh yesterday. Adam Gold said a couple times he knew of a few high power App boosters who, after this recent bowl game, are "All in" on FBS and the game really did validate the move. If these people of importance have moved on, so should you guys up here.


PSS. Gillin was on the scott Hamilton show yesterday as well, I only caught the tail end but in that little bit of time he stated that after seeing attendance numbers this year at KBS there are absolutely no plans for expansion but he would be looking into boosting the amentities and making the game more of an event. Also mentioned in the coming years doing something to Owens, not necessarily adding seats unless we show the need over the next 2-3 years.

One of the National Championships got us front page coverage in the Charlotte Observer and a full page article in the sports section.

[Yosef10]

When you post a thread that reads "Charlie Cobb was right" and then lead with "well at least about one thing", that in no way insinuates a question is being posed. The only question you raised was are App and GSU simply better playing with less scholarship players? Which is an irrelevant question because both had 85 scholarships this year.

It's not hard to read between the lines when some of you continuously post about FCS.

Oh, Grad09, I'm pretty sure there is an ignore option somewhere on this board.

[Yosef10]

Dumbest thread. I really don't know why some of you love talking about FCS so much, other than to pass the time while you're bored and stir something up on a message board. A win in the freaking Camellia bowl has gotten as much if not more attention than a "national championship" at the FCS level,certainly more so than any playoff game.

PS. Satt was on the Adam and Joe show here in Raleigh yesterday. Adam Gold said a couple times he knew of a few high power App boosters who, after this recent bowl game, are "All in" on FBS and the game really did validate the move. If these people of importance have moved on, so should you guys up here.


PSS. Gillin was on the scott Hamilton show yesterday as well, I only caught the tail end but in that little bit of time he stated that after seeing attendance numbers this year at KBS there are absolutely no plans for expansion but he would be looking into boosting the amentities and making the game more of an event. Also mentioned in the coming years doing something to Owens, not necessarily adding seats unless we show the need over the next 2-3 years.

One of the National Championships got us front page coverage in the Charlotte Observer and a full page article in the sports section.

Holy cow we get front page of a local newspaper?!???! Yippee!!!!

[NewApp]

Dumbest thread. I really don't know why some of you love talking about FCS so much, other than to pass the time while you're bored and stir something up on a message board. A win in the freaking Camellia bowl has gotten as much if not more attention than a "national championship" at the FCS level,certainly more so than any playoff game.

PS. Satt was on the Adam and Joe show here in Raleigh yesterday. Adam Gold said a couple times he knew of a few high power App boosters who, after this recent bowl game, are "All in" on FBS and the game really did validate the move. If these people of importance have moved on, so should you guys up here.


PSS. Gillin was on the scott Hamilton show yesterday as well, I only caught the tail end but in that little bit of time he stated that after seeing attendance numbers this year at KBS there are absolutely no plans for expansion but he would be looking into boosting the amentities and making the game more of an event. Also mentioned in the coming years doing something to Owens, not necessarily adding seats unless we show the need over the next 2-3 years.

One of the National Championships got us front page coverage in the Charlotte Observer and a full page article in the sports section.

Holy cow we get front page of a local newspaper?!???! Yippee!!!!

We didn't for the bowl win.

[/\PP ST/\TE GRAD 09]

It never is an argument until Yosef 10 makes it an argument. He or she feels it is their personal duty to turn a simple civil adult conversation into an argument. Typically he/she starts by calling a post "stupid". He/she can't accept the fact that people have different views and opinions.

Now to address your original post which referenced a quote from Cobb...

Cobb was simply saying the Sun Belt is viewed by the majority that watch CFB as just a low tier slightly above FCS level conference. And he is correct, for the time being. I said it in another "dumb thread" until Sun Belt teams win some OOC games against good to great G5 teams and keep P5 games close, we will always be viewed as a bottom feeder as a whole conference.

The reality is Sun Belt was the only conference that wanted App State.

Which had nothing to do with football or the University and everything to do with television market and dollar signs.

You're correct. C.R.E.A.M.

[firemoose]

Dumbest thread. I really don't know why some of you love talking about FCS so much, other than to pass the time while you're bored and stir something up on a message board. A win in the freaking Camellia bowl has gotten as much if not more attention than a "national championship" at the FCS level,certainly more so than any playoff game.

PS. Satt was on the Adam and Joe show here in Raleigh yesterday. Adam Gold said a couple times he knew of a few high power App boosters who, after this recent bowl game, are "All in" on FBS and the game really did validate the move. If these people of importance have moved on, so should you guys up here.


PSS. Gillin was on the scott Hamilton show yesterday as well, I only caught the tail end but in that little bit of time he stated that after seeing attendance numbers this year at KBS there are absolutely no plans for expansion but he would be looking into boosting the amentities and making the game more of an event. Also mentioned in the coming years doing something to Owens, not necessarily adding seats unless we show the need over the next 2-3 years.

One of the National Championships got us front page coverage in the Charlotte Observer and a full page article in the sports section.

Holy cow we get front page of a local newspaper?!???! Yippee!!!!

We didn't for the bowl win.

But we did have Steve Ohnesorge from WBTV Ch 3 embedded with us for the entire time we were there, filing reports every night and giving not only complete game coverage but coverage of all the activities that the team was doing prior to the game. Even did a whole segment on the BOD. We never got that from any station in any market for the NC games and, given the lack of coverage from Charlotte stations for the year, it was nice to see. As I told my sister, if UNCC had been in a bowl no way would it have happened but it did for us this year and I thanked them for the coverage. I hope some of our Charlotte market fans and members sent them a thank you as well.

[ASUTodd]

Newapp, jcline........ youve always been a closet WCU fan, go root for them in fcs.

[AppinVA]

Next thread: Jerry Moore would've won by three points.

Once again, I'm not disappointed.

[McLeansvilleAppFan]

The Socon might have won two games against some of the Sunbelt

They definitely lost one, as Idaho beat Wofford.

By a FG at Idaho.

Still a win - home or away.

[Rekdiver]

The old tired FCS voices are getting quieter and quieter....

Several things have happened..
ESPN and most announcers pronounce our name correctly.
Our name appears more often on the score scroll.
We are getting good recruits outside of our traditional footprint
We have an AD that will find a way to increase corporate. participation outside of the High Country.
We are relevant in the conversation regarding FBS.

[Gonzo]

Newapp, jcline........ youve always been a closet WCU fan, go root for them in fcs.

There are many people who would have responded to that post, but half the MMB has Cline on ignore.

Poor feller

[ASUTodd]

I used to but its funny sometimes to see what he says.

[NewApp]

I used to but its funny sometimes to see what he says.

Go criticize our players, team and coaches some more. That's what you are best at.

[ASUTodd]

Never have I criticisized Satterfield and his coaches. Moore, yes....

[NewApp]

Never have I criticisized Satterfield and his coaches. Moore, yes....

You made a fool out of yourself criticizing Lamb.

[ASUTodd]

Never have I criticisized Satterfield and his coaches. Moore, yes....

You made a fool out of yourself criticizing Lamb.

Thats a big negatory there Ghostrider. I said what I wanted. Others didnt agree, we moved on. Well some moved on, I know I did. You shouldnt be all up in your feelings on such a wonderful day.

[sixtoes9134]

The top 5 to 10 teams in FCS on a year in and year out basis can compete with most of the G5 on any given Saturday and will occasionally win one here or there.

I disagree however, that the Sun Belt only is a glorified FCS league. That's nonsense.

In fact in 2015 there were 9 FCS wins over FBS and only 1 in the Sun Belt. Other leagues who suffered losses to FCS: SEC (1), C-USA (3), Big 12 (1), MW (1), PAC-12 (1), Independent (1)

So, to hell with all the Sun Belt glorified FCS non-sense.

[Capt. Ed]

I think we all need to chill and get ready for the big night!

Getting me a cold one and firing up the gas burner to steam a bunch of Topsail oysters!

Merry Christmas to everyone and let's have a great App New Year!!

[App1990]

The following is not to question whether the move was good or not. We had a great year and the move has gone better than anyone could have hoped for. It's been great. The recruiting, scheduling, etc. has all led to momentum that create a possibility for better things. The post is to respond to the silly suggestions and arguments that we've somehow arrived, and about the FCS vs. FBS, our FBS visibility, relevancy, etc. Fans are biased by nature, but let's get real. Take off the black and gold filtered glasses. Put down the eggnog.

First, it is funny how opinions change after the move. Nobody would disagree with the obvious fact that the top FCS teams can compete with the G5. 100% of us said this a couple of years ago. It was true then, and it is true now. NDSU and others would step in and challenge for the Belt title. No doubt. Heck, last year, the SoCon had a winning record against the Belt. Hopefully, we will rise above this overlapping field of FCS and FBS.

Second, its funny how people rationalize their own beliefs. Its selective thinking to suggest we got more attention this year than our three year run. During that run, we were on the main ESPN channels more than once during the season, multiple times. Ratings were higher than our bowl game. We got top 25 votes back then, and it was more widely reported because we were FCS. And the Michigan win received so much attention only because we were FCS. Seriously, we are on the cover of SI. Nobody remembers the G5 teams that beat them or other P5 teams anywhere near the same level.

Third, not sure what one means that we are relevant in FBS, but it is a reach. We challenged for the title of the weakest conference and won a low level bowl. This is a stepping stone to (hopefully) being more relevant. But we are never going to be relevant to the national picture. We can hope to be a strong G5 program that can beat a P5 team every once in a while, a la MTSU, WKU, etc. Alter someone else's hopes for a national championship, but never challenge for one. We knew that is what we signed up for. Our best hope is to be relevant regionally with more regionally concentrated conferences that foster regional rivalries that will bring back 30k in the stands.

The real reasons to move was to not be left behind, to be among the G5 so UNCC, ECU, etc. are our peers. P5 will be splitting away sooner or later. The move was to position us better in this eventual reality.