elliot to stay in co-bum-bia

[appgrad]

I never implied he we should hire him so he would stay 20 years, or whatever, what I did imply was, unlike other coaches, who have no ties to App, he would not necessarly be out the front door the first chance he got (see Buzz). Bottom line is we have got to watch SS for an entire year, and from what I can see, this guy can flat out coach, the question is, can he be successful running an entire program, not just an offense.

I know - but if he's successful and a bigger program comes calling with twice or 3 times his salary, he's not sticking around either. We shouldn't mind if a coach is getting looks - especially if we move up to FBS - because it means we're succeeding.

Agree - the offense looked much better this year. Would like more consistency in the running game, despite Miller's big numbers. That should come as our O-Line grows together. Amazing how young we are there...

[huskie3]

"I wonder if his coming up here was just as a favor to Cobb and the school, to make things look like there really was a search. I'm 100% for Satterfield getting the job. It is what he was brought back for and we should honor that commitment."

to AppinAtl
I think Elliot may have been here for 2 reasons: 1) he had an open weekend when he could return and 2) he was here to honor Coach Moore because he knew(was told) it would be his last game.

And decided to have an interview while he was here. Pardon the sarcasm.

NO, I simply gave what I think were his reasons for coming to game. If after the first meeting Cobb decided to interview Elliot that is fine, but he did not come here for that purpose.

[AppinATL]

"I wonder if his coming up here was just as a favor to Cobb and the school, to make things look like there really was a search. I'm 100% for Satterfield getting the job. It is what he was brought back for and we should honor that commitment."

to AppinAtl
I think Elliot may have been here for 2 reasons: 1) he had an open weekend when he could return and 2) he was here to honor Coach Moore because he knew(was told) it would be his last game.

Very good point. I didn't think of that but it makes perfect sense.

[AppinATL]

Thought ASU had progressed beyond the small school mentality of simply hiring from within. Why even go through the charade of a national search? ASU athletic history is littered with the mistakes of promoting from within. Roachel Laney, Mark Dreibilbiss, Troy Heustess, Barbie Breedlove, and Jason Capel are just a few that come to mind. Furman almost exclusively used the practice until it ruined the football program. There is much more to running a football program than calling plays. I don't think Elliot or Satterfield have the savvy or experience to be the head of the program, esp following a guy like JM. Have to get the emotion out of the way and pick a coach based on experience. Always impressed with Kerwin Bell's Jacksonville teams. They played hard and smart, blocked and tackled impressively and were solid scheme wise. They just didn't have the horses to keep up. he has a great playing and coaching pedigree. But it looks like we're going to get a guy who was ready to give up coaching before coming back to ASU.

Why is promoting from within a "small school mentality?" In this case, it would make for a smooth transition. Bringing people in from the outside is certainly no guarantee of success either ( Mike Working, Mack Brown -not that he was lousy, but he sure didn't stick around, the Stink brought in Van Goober and look how that turned out.

[appgrad]

Coach Moore came from the outside - as did Darcie Vincent, Chris Pollard, Bobby Cremins, etc.

[AppinATL]

Coach Moore came from the outside - as did Darcie Vincent, Chris Pollard, Bobby Cremins, etc.

Yes. Now we've established what should have already been known. That is that coming from the inside or the outside is no guarantee of success or failure.

[appgrad]

Coach Moore came from the outside - as did Darcie Vincent, Chris Pollard, Bobby Cremins, etc.

Yes. Now we've established what should have already been known. That is that coming from the inside or the outside is no guarantee of success or failure.

Correct. My concern is we're only considering insiders

[AppinATL]

If that's truly the case, it's because there was a deal made a year ago and the school is honoring that deal. I'm sure if Satterfield leaves or does not work out, the next search will be a nation-wide search.

[Black Saturday]

I never implied he we should hire him so he would stay 20 years, or whatever, what I did imply was, unlike other coaches, who have no ties to App, he would not necessarly be out the front door the first chance he got (see Buzz). Bottom line is we have got to watch SS for an entire year, and from what I can see, this guy can flat out coach, the question is, can he be successful running an entire program, not just an offense.

I know - but if he's successful and a bigger program comes calling with twice or 3 times his salary, he's not sticking around either. We shouldn't mind if a coach is getting looks - especially if we move up to FBS - because it means we're succeeding.

Agree - the offense looked much better this year. Would like more consistency in the running game, despite Miller's big numbers. That should come as our O-Line grows together. Amazing how young we are there...

What are we gonna do about an experienced running back next year? JUCO in the wings?

[Kgfish]

Thought ASU had progressed beyond the small school mentality of simply hiring from within. Why even go through the charade of a national search? ASU athletic history is littered with the mistakes of promoting from within. Roachel Laney, Mark Dreibilbiss, Troy Heustess, Barbie Breedlove, and Jason Capel are just a few that come to mind. Furman almost exclusively used the practice until it ruined the football program. There is much more to running a football program than calling plays. I don't think Elliot or Satterfield have the savvy or experience to be the head of the program, esp following a guy like JM. Have to get the emotion out of the way and pick a coach based on experience. Always impressed with Kerwin Bell's Jacksonville teams. They played hard and smart, blocked and tackled impressively and were solid scheme wise. They just didn't have the horses to keep up. he has a great playing and coaching pedigree. But it looks like we're going to get a guy who was ready to give up coaching before coming back to ASU.

Why is promoting from within a "small school mentality?" In this case, it would make for a smooth transition. Bringing people in from the outside is certainly no guarantee of success either ( Mike Working, Mack Brown -not that he was lousy, but he sure didn't stick around, the Stink brought in Van Goober and look how that turned out.

This is the most important hire for the ASU athletic department in 25 years. For the position to be "given" to someone in a back door arrangement is about as small school as it gets.

[ASUPATCH]

I never implied he we should hire him so he would stay 20 years, or whatever, what I did imply was, unlike other coaches, who have no ties to App, he would not necessarly be out the front door the first chance he got (see Buzz). Bottom line is we have got to watch SS for an entire year, and from what I can see, this guy can flat out coach, the question is, can he be successful running an entire program, not just an offense.

I know - but if he's successful and a bigger program comes calling with twice or 3 times his salary, he's not sticking around either. We shouldn't mind if a coach is getting looks - especially if we move up to FBS - because it means we're succeeding.

Agree - the offense looked much better this year. Would like more consistency in the running game, despite Miller's big numbers. That should come as our O-Line grows together. Amazing how young we are there...

What are we gonna do about an experienced running back next year? JUCO in the wings?

We have Tysean Holloway that redshirted last year and a transfer from the U of Utah with I think 3 years of eligibilty left. Short powerful kid kinda Ray Rice ish 5-7 205. Theres more info about him in the last page or two of the recruiting thread.

[ASUPATCH]

Thought ASU had progressed beyond the small school mentality of simply hiring from within. Why even go through the charade of a national search? ASU athletic history is littered with the mistakes of promoting from within. Roachel Laney, Mark Dreibilbiss, Troy Heustess, Barbie Breedlove, and Jason Capel are just a few that come to mind. Furman almost exclusively used the practice until it ruined the football program. There is much more to running a football program than calling plays. I don't think Elliot or Satterfield have the savvy or experience to be the head of the program, esp following a guy like JM. Have to get the emotion out of the way and pick a coach based on experience. Always impressed with Kerwin Bell's Jacksonville teams. They played hard and smart, blocked and tackled impressively and were solid scheme wise. They just didn't have the horses to keep up. he has a great playing and coaching pedigree. But it looks like we're going to get a guy who was ready to give up coaching before coming back to ASU.

Why is promoting from within a "small school mentality?" In this case, it would make for a smooth transition. Bringing people in from the outside is certainly no guarantee of success either ( Mike Working, Mack Brown -not that he was lousy, but he sure didn't stick around, the Stink brought in Van Goober and look how that turned out.

This is the most important hire for the ASU athletic department in 25 years. For the position to be "given" to someone in a back door arrangement is about as small school as it gets.

Bobby Bowden /Jimbo Fisher @FSU Rich Brooks/Mike Belotti @Oregon, Barry Alvarez, Bret Bielema @Wisconson. I could have sworn those were big schools. Guess I was wrong. Wish people would look into things before they post unfactual statements.

[AppinATL]

Thought ASU had progressed beyond the small school mentality of simply hiring from within. Why even go through the charade of a national search? ASU athletic history is littered with the mistakes of promoting from within. Roachel Laney, Mark Dreibilbiss, Troy Heustess, Barbie Breedlove, and Jason Capel are just a few that come to mind. Furman almost exclusively used the practice until it ruined the football program. There is much more to running a football program than calling plays. I don't think Elliot or Satterfield have the savvy or experience to be the head of the program, esp following a guy like JM. Have to get the emotion out of the way and pick a coach based on experience. Always impressed with Kerwin Bell's Jacksonville teams. They played hard and smart, blocked and tackled impressively and were solid scheme wise. They just didn't have the horses to keep up. he has a great playing and coaching pedigree. But it looks like we're going to get a guy who was ready to give up coaching before coming back to ASU.

Why is promoting from within a "small school mentality?" In this case, it would make for a smooth transition. Bringing people in from the outside is certainly no guarantee of success either ( Mike Working, Mack Brown -not that he was lousy, but he sure didn't stick around, the Stink brought in Van Goober and look how that turned out.

This is the most important hire for the ASU athletic department in 25 years. For the position to be "given" to someone in a back door arrangement is about as small school as it gets.

Geez, give it a rest already, Drama Queen. You make it sound like a drug deal. Look, They decided last year that it was CM's "time." Thy knew who they wanted to replace him. I think they've got the right guy.

[Black Saturday]

I never implied he we should hire him so he would stay 20 years, or whatever, what I did imply was, unlike other coaches, who have no ties to App, he would not necessarly be out the front door the first chance he got (see Buzz). Bottom line is we have got to watch SS for an entire year, and from what I can see, this guy can flat out coach, the question is, can he be successful running an entire program, not just an offense.

I know - but if he's successful and a bigger program comes calling with twice or 3 times his salary, he's not sticking around either. We shouldn't mind if a coach is getting looks - especially if we move up to FBS - because it means we're succeeding.

Agree - the offense looked much better this year. Would like more consistency in the running game, despite Miller's big numbers. That should come as our O-Line grows together. Amazing how young we are there...

What are we gonna do about an experienced running back next year? JUCO in the wings?

We have Tysean Holloway that redshirted last year and a transfer from the U of Utah with I think 3 years of eligibilty left. Short powerful kid kinda Ray Rice ish 5-7 205. Theres more info about him in the last page or two of the recruiting thread.

THANKS!

[Kgfish]

Thought ASU had progressed beyond the small school mentality of simply hiring from within. Why even go through the charade of a national search? ASU athletic history is littered with the mistakes of promoting from within. Roachel Laney, Mark Dreibilbiss, Troy Heustess, Barbie Breedlove, and Jason Capel are just a few that come to mind. Furman almost exclusively used the practice until it ruined the football program. There is much more to running a football program than calling plays. I don't think Elliot or Satterfield have the savvy or experience to be the head of the program, esp following a guy like JM. Have to get the emotion out of the way and pick a coach based on experience. Always impressed with Kerwin Bell's Jacksonville teams. They played hard and smart, blocked and tackled impressively and were solid scheme wise. They just didn't have the horses to keep up. he has a great playing and coaching pedigree. But it looks like we're going to get a guy who was ready to give up coaching before coming back to ASU.

Why is promoting from within a "small school mentality?" In this case, it would make for a smooth transition. Bringing people in from the outside is certainly no guarantee of success either ( Mike Working, Mack Brown -not that he was lousy, but he sure didn't stick around, the Stink brought in Van Goober and look how that turned out.

This is the most important hire for the ASU athletic department in 25 years. For the position to be "given" to someone in a back door arrangement is about as small school as it gets.

Bobby Bowden /Jimbo Fisher @FSU Rich Brooks/Mike Belotti @Oregon, Barry Alvarez, Bret Bielema @Wisconson. I could have sworn those were big schools. Guess I was wrong. Wish people would look into things before they post unfactual statements.

The only one of those situations that mirror ASU's was Fla State. Fisher was brought in as the coach in waiting and it was well publicised. The others were simply promoted when the other guy moved on without the great fanfare and mystery surrounding a mythical national search. If Cobb is going to give it to Scott do so and be done with it.

[appgrad]

After a year, Chip Kelly got the HCIW.tag, which didn't sit well with many in Eugene since he had just arrived from being OC at New Hampshire a year earlier. It turned out pretty well.

My preference is to do a broad search...but I point out that scenario to say "We won't know until we know" in regards to whether SS will be a good hire. Unfair to compare this to Capel too since I think we all agree his resume is far more accomplished than his.

[ASUPATCH]

Just because you personally werent aware of it doesnt mean it wasn't the case.

http://www.roanoke.com/sports/vtfootball/wb/217124
"Wisconsin kicked off the football trend in 2005 when Bret Bielema, now entering his fourth season as head coach, was named the coach-in-waiting under Barry Alvarez."


http://blog.oregonlive.com/behindducksb ... ead_c.html

Iknew it was Oregon but had the wrong passing of the torch. It was Belotti to Kelly.
"Because of his own soaring stock and the need for stability in Oregon's football program, offensive coordinator Chip Kelly is now the Ducks' coach-in-waiting, and Mike Bellotti will make room for him by becoming his boss."

[ASUPATCH]

Mack Brown and Will Muschamo had the same deal in place at Texas. Unfortunatly Muschamp got tired of "waiting" and took his talents to Gainesville. Its hardly a new concept reserved for small schools. Texas may have wiated too long, have you seen them the last two years? Glad App didnt wait too long.

[bcoach]

No matter who it is just get somebody out there recruiting and retaining. Let's make sure we don't lose anybody.
These kids want to know who the head coach is going to be and is their position coach going to be staying.