What we learned

JTApps1 · Unread post by **JTApps1** » Mon Sep 05, 2016 10:06 am

The game plan was to run the ball and only throw short passes when needed. UT playes a 5 man secondary with tons of speed, and they have one of the best pass rushers in college ball. Lamb almost got sacked on several short passes, and when we looked deeper everything was covered. Credit UT for good pass defense. Luckily for us nobody else we play will have a defense that good. Let's not forgrt the WR corp is still getting its feet wet too. We just outplayed the SEC East favorite and people are complaining...

bigdaddyg · Unread post by **bigdaddyg** » Mon Sep 05, 2016 10:55 am

TheMackAttack wrote:
canes_mj wrote:What I learned was:

Positives:
1. Defense...particularly defensive line, stopping the run, getting pressure
2. we can hang in there with anyone
3. Cox and the running game

Negatives:
1. Question mark at kicker
2. Question mark at QB; Lamb seems to have regressed since his freshman year. He doesn't throw downfield, questionable decisions.
3. Coaching....seemed like year 1 of Satt...hope this isn't a trend. But predictable/bad play calling, bad clock management, disorganization in getting plays called. Not sure if the predictable and overly conservative play calling was a result of not trusting Lamb, but whatever the cause, it was a problem

Your negatives are ridiculous. The guy who just set the single season passing TD record at App has regressed? Satt outcoached Butch Jones all night long and his play calling was fine. We were in a position to beat a team with far more talent than us because we were far better coached than they were. The clock management at the end wasn't his fault either. Hopkins should have gotten out of bounds, but I can't really blame him for wanting to get more yardage, those are difficult snap decisions to make. We were half a second from a potential game winning field goal attempt. People who are questioning Satterfield and Lamb after the Tennessee game are absolutely out of their mind. Everything in the second half went their way. Everything. That's the only reason they won.

I agree with you and completely disagree with every negative. Unless you are at the game it's impossible to see the entire field during plays.

1. Masterful coaching and game plan. Satt cracked me up with the halftime comments. He probably couldn't believe we were winning.
2. TL regressed. Game 1 of the season V an SEC team in their place. Good lord dude. If he's throwing PIC 6's around game 5 and is making questionable decisions then maybe.
3. Kicking? Dang let the kid have a chance. If we recover that fumble and score on our possession we aren't beating it to death on 3 threads.

We are legit with a ferocious defense that will only get better. We went toe to toe with a one dimensional offense that they couldn't stop for chunks of the game.

Appstate3481 · Unread post by **Appstate3481** » Mon Sep 05, 2016 1:01 pm

What I took away from the game is that we are a very very good football team... end of story

asufan87 · Unread post by **asufan87** » Mon Sep 05, 2016 2:41 pm

Yep, a bit too much criticism of Lamb for me to take this seriously. Tenn had a tremendous pass rusher on the edge an elite cover guys. Our game plan was spot on. From what I saw Va. Tech on Saturday, I'll say Tenn. handles them soundly.

sixtoes9134 · Unread post by **sixtoes9134** » Mon Sep 05, 2016 3:02 pm

I hope Tennessee blow VA Tech out

hapapp · Unread post by **hapapp** » Mon Sep 05, 2016 3:14 pm

Tech will definitely present a more balanced attack than we did. The key may be whether the Tech D resembles the Foster defenses of old.

NewApp · Unread post by **NewApp** » Mon Sep 05, 2016 3:32 pm

TheMackAttack wrote:
canes_mj wrote:What I learned was:

Positives:
1. Defense...particularly defensive line, stopping the run, getting pressure
2. we can hang in there with anyone
3. Cox and the running game

Negatives:
1. Question mark at kicker
2. Question mark at QB; Lamb seems to have regressed since his freshman year. He doesn't throw downfield, questionable decisions.
3. Coaching....seemed like year 1 of Satt...hope this isn't a trend. But predictable/bad play calling, bad clock management, disorganization in getting plays called. Not sure if the predictable and overly conservative play calling was a result of not trusting Lamb, but whatever the cause, it was a problem

Your negatives are ridiculous. The guy who just set the single season passing TD record at App has regressed? Satt outcoached Butch Jones all night long and his play calling was fine. We were in a position to beat a team with far more talent than us because we were far better coached than they were. The clock management at the end wasn't his fault either. Hopkins should have gotten out of bounds, but I can't really blame him for wanting to get more yardage, those are difficult snap decisions to make. We were half a second from a potential game winning field goal attempt. People who are questioning Satterfield and Lamb after the Tennessee game are absolutely out of their mind. Everything in the second half went their way. Everything. That's the only reason they won.

A voice of sanity.

AppinATL · Unread post by **AppinATL** » Mon Sep 05, 2016 4:29 pm

Stonewall wrote:We were overmatched athletically at every position , each and every position. It's the SEC, which stands for " money is no object"....we don't try to recruit those athletes because we can't get them. Yet. Anyway we played harder and smarter,prepared and game coached better. We missed an extra point,we couldn't find a couple of fumbles,we got beat deep once, once. I'm hoping this game makes us that much hungrier and we take our first Sunbelt championship but it will not be easy.

I would argue that we didn't exactly get beat deep at all. The coverage was good. Our guy was all over the receiver but the UT kid just made a great play. I know it's semantics but if you want to see what getting beat deep looks like, go back and watch Western against ECU.

bigdaddyg · Unread post by **bigdaddyg** » Mon Sep 05, 2016 4:59 pm

AppinATL wrote:
Stonewall wrote:We were overmatched athletically at every position , each and every position. It's the SEC, which stands for " money is no object"....we don't try to recruit those athletes because we can't get them. Yet. Anyway we played harder and smarter,prepared and game coached better. We missed an extra point,we couldn't find a couple of fumbles,we got beat deep once, once. I'm hoping this game makes us that much hungrier and we take our first Sunbelt championship but it will not be easy.
I would argue that we didn't exactly get beat deep at all. The coverage was good. Our guy was all over the receiver but the UT kid just made a great play. I know it's semantics but if you want to see what getting beat deep looks like, go back and watch Western against ECU.

Getting beat deep is when the receiver burns the back and just gets way behind him. Duck did what he could. Just a bigger dude beat him.

NewApp · Unread post by **NewApp** » Mon Sep 05, 2016 5:15 pm

Duck is going to be a good one. He is fun to watch.

Volin · Unread post by **Volin** » Tue Sep 06, 2016 7:49 am

bigdaddyg wrote:
Rekdiver wrote:
bigdaddyg wrote:Hoping UT goes something like 10-2 to help legitimize the game (if needed). Either USC is bad or Bama is crazy good. Probably both. Going to stomp UT.
Honestly if UT plays like that especially the QB they will win 6 games.
That's why I started it with "hoping". We are good for sure but that squad is staring at several losses.

One game doesn't define a season. We will know more in the coming weeks. That was about as vanilla offensive game plan as we have ever run. See north texas for the other. We used no misdirection and only took one shot down the field. Also, Dobbs didn't run like he usually does. When Dobbs runs it opens up our offense so much. I could be wrong but after watching an entire weekend of football there are many teams that looked terrible that will be just fine.

Volin · Unread post by **Volin** » Tue Sep 06, 2016 7:53 am

asufan87 wrote:Yep, a bit too much criticism of Lamb for me to take this seriously. Tenn had a tremendous pass rusher on the edge an elite cover guys. Our game plan was spot on. From what I saw Va. Tech on Saturday, I'll say Tenn. handles them soundly.

I don't want to call you offense a gimmick because it is a very nice offense but we won't see that again. So much misdirection in that O. Once we settled in you guys didn't have much success. Our O was the problem. We should fair better against Va. Tech because of the offense they run. They had a very hard time running against liberty. If we make them one dimensional and they lob that ball up like they did against liberty it could be a very long day for them.

You guys saw first hand the talent that cam sutton has. I so wish he wouldn't have muffed that punt. We had so many mistakes in that game.

bcoach · Unread post by **bcoach** » Tue Sep 06, 2016 7:57 am

sixtoes9134 wrote:I hope Tennessee blow VA Tech out

I do also but it is not going to happen.

JTApps1 · Unread post by **JTApps1** » Tue Sep 06, 2016 8:02 am

Volin wrote:
asufan87 wrote:Yep, a bit too much criticism of Lamb for me to take this seriously. Tenn had a tremendous pass rusher on the edge an elite cover guys. Our game plan was spot on. From what I saw Va. Tech on Saturday, I'll say Tenn. handles them soundly.

I don't want to call you offense a gimmick because it is a very nice offense but we won't see that again. So much misdirection in that O. Once we settled in you guys didn't have much success. Our O was the problem. We should fair better against Va. Tech because of the offense they run. They had a very hard time running against liberty. If we make them one dimensional and they lob that ball up like they did against liberty it could be a very long day for them.

You guys saw first hand the talent that cam sutton has. I so wish he wouldn't have muffed that punt. We had so many mistakes in that game.

For the most part we ran the same 5 plays all night, and basically didn't attempt a pass more than 15 yards until the first play of OT. Satterfield said we would run our base offense most of the night and we pretty much stuck to that. The game plan seemed pretty similar for both teams honestly, and both defenses took advantage.

Both teams also had a number of costly mistakes. I think back to our possession before your long TD pass. We were moving the ball and were inside the 25. We had a holding call on 2nd down, and immediately followed that up with a delay of game. That resulted in us having 2nd and 21 I believe, and it killed the momentum we were building at the time. We end up punting and then you hit two passes to tie. BIG swing in about 5 plays.

Volin · Unread post by **Volin** » Tue Sep 06, 2016 8:09 am

JTApps1 wrote:
Volin wrote:
asufan87 wrote:Yep, a bit too much criticism of Lamb for me to take this seriously. Tenn had a tremendous pass rusher on the edge an elite cover guys. Our game plan was spot on. From what I saw Va. Tech on Saturday, I'll say Tenn. handles them soundly.

I don't want to call you offense a gimmick because it is a very nice offense but we won't see that again. So much misdirection in that O. Once we settled in you guys didn't have much success. Our O was the problem. We should fair better against Va. Tech because of the offense they run. They had a very hard time running against liberty. If we make them one dimensional and they lob that ball up like they did against liberty it could be a very long day for them.

You guys saw first hand the talent that cam sutton has. I so wish he wouldn't have muffed that punt. We had so many mistakes in that game.
For the most part we ran the same 5 plays all night, and basically didn't attempt a pass more than 15 yards until the first play of OT. Satterfield said we would run our base offense most of the night and we pretty much stuck to that. The game plan seemed pretty similar for both teams honestly, and both defenses took advantage.

Both teams also had a number of costly mistakes. I think back to our possession before your long TD pass. We were moving the ball and were inside the 25. We had a holding call on 2nd down, and immediately followed that up with a delay of game. That resulted in us having 2nd and 21 I believe, and it killed the momentum we were building at the time. We end up punting and then you hit two passes to tie. BIG swing in about 5 plays.

Yeah, I get it is a chess match but open up those playbooks. It is funny, you guys did take advantage of our speed. We would over pursue and you guys would make us pay by going the opposite direction.

I have never seen a Butch Jones coached team have that many mistakes. 4 fumbles and a bone head INT. To add to that a targeting call on our defensive leader. I hate the call because no one but that player and ref knew he called a fair catch and then he went to the ground after JRM attempted the tackle. It is what it is, the rule is there for safety but after watching more vicious hits not get called in other games just makes me mad.

All in all both teams will improve and here is to good seasons for both.

Appsolutely · Unread post by **Appsolutely** » Tue Sep 06, 2016 9:11 am

Violin, your defensive player targeted on that play. Regardless of whether the fair catch was obvious or not, targeting will get your ass thrown out. That's what happened, and that's what should have happened.

BUTCH1991 · Unread post by **BUTCH1991** » Tue Sep 06, 2016 9:48 am

Not to mention that the punt returner caught the ball on his knee, so he was already down, no need to hit him.

Wally · Unread post by **Wally** » Tue Sep 06, 2016 10:34 am

Volin wrote:
asufan87 wrote:Yep, a bit too much criticism of Lamb for me to take this seriously. Tenn had a tremendous pass rusher on the edge an elite cover guys. Our game plan was spot on. From what I saw Va. Tech on Saturday, I'll say Tenn. handles them soundly.

I don't want to call you offense a gimmick because it is a very nice offense but we won't see that again. So much misdirection in that O. Once we settled in you guys didn't have much success. Our O was the problem. We should fair better against Va. Tech because of the offense they run. They had a very hard time running against liberty. If we make them one dimensional and they lob that ball up like they did against liberty it could be a very long day for them.

You guys saw first hand the talent that cam sutton has. I so wish he wouldn't have muffed that punt. We had so many mistakes in that game.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and just say the reason you didn't see more of our playbook was because... wait for it... oh yeah, because we were beating you the entire game. Run the ball, eat the clock... exactly what we should have done. Oh, and would Bob Shoop consider that App "ran the football" on his vaunted defense after we put up 184 yards and our RB averaging almost 5 ypc?

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t4pizza · Unread post by **t4pizza** » Tue Sep 06, 2016 11:08 am

Appstatefanjme wrote:1. We have a good kicker just needs work
2. We can play with the big boys
3. We have a great offense
4. Our corners are playing soft
5. We can beat any team if we play as a team

I agree with all except number 1. I am not saying he is not a good kicker, just that at this time I have yet to learn that he is a good kicker. Hopefully we will all learn that fact in the coming weeks but for now, the jury is still out in my mind.

bigdaddyg · Unread post by **bigdaddyg** » Tue Sep 06, 2016 11:30 am

Tennessee guy (I'm sure he is a swell individual) cracks me up with rationale of why we nearly beat them. NO WAY a team such as App plays with and nearly beats big bad, possible SEC east champ might go to the final 4 UT unless it's because- UT used vanilla offense, UT didn't try very hard, looked past us, bad call on the targeting foul. What am I missing?

Is it beyond the realm of possibility that we are just damn good? I'm going with that one. The vanilla offense is just stupid. UT has really high aspirations (as they should). If the coaching staff was determined to stick with a certain basic offense even in the face of a possible upset they were crazy.

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