Game discussion

Goapps15 · Unread post by **Goapps15** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 8:13 am

Why play in the Sun Belt when we could face the mighty Mercer, Kennesaw State and ETSU? They would be such great competition and incredible rivals.

I get the rivalry part but if you care so much about knowing somebody at every school go watch the SAC.

bigdaddyg · Unread post by **bigdaddyg** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 8:48 am

AppinVA wrote:This thread has everything but "Jerry Moore would've won 22 of the last 25."

Yeah I agree. I didn't know about the game chat thing or I would not have even started this thread. It started out so innocently and evolved into something stupid. I apologize

89gradX2 · Unread post by **89gradX2** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 8:52 am

Let me say that I loved the first half last night. Lamb threw it well. We went down the field. But by the time the second half started, I wanted to get out of there without any more injuries. Let's take care of Idaho and move on!

jlm11 · Unread post by **jlm11** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 9:16 am

From the official ULL athletics site:

"Todd Lamb completed 15 of 26 passes for 201 yards and a score as Appalachian State (4-2, 2-0 SBC) handed Louisiana (2-4, 1-2 SBC) its first shutout at home since a 27-0 loss to North Texas on Oct. 26, 2002."

Seems their writer paid very close attention to this one.

/\PP ST/\TE GRAD 09 · Unread post by **/\PP ST/\TE GRAD 09** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 9:28 am

/\PP ST/\TE GRAD 09 wrote:I'm beginning to think the whole FCS vs FBS argument of we will play more exciting teams in the Sun Belt is wearing away for me. I can honestly say I'd rather see App play Furman right now than this shit. At least I could enjoy the rivalry factor. I thought the promise was better competition. What's done is done, but damn I think it's a joke for us to play in this shitty conference. We deserve better.

I'm braced for the arguments.

This was the original post. Let me point out my points that have since been mangled and misinterpreted. Is ULL better than Furman? Yes. Was last nights game more exciting that it would have been had we played Furman? No. That's why I included the part about the rivalry factor, because even when we kicked Furman's ass and the game was over by halftime, it actually meant something other than another tally to the win column. Blowing ULL out on a Wednesday night just did nothing for me. I'm sorry this had led some of you to believe I should pull for Western. At no point did I directly state or bring up the fact we never should have moved up. I was one of the ones in favor. My point is that we are too good to be playing in the SunBelt. We weren't expected to be this good so quick, but we are and watching us play teams that are far more inferior does not speak well for the conference as a whole. If you want to argue about my claim we are too good for the SunBelt when we just got here, that's fair and I can see your points. If you want to tell me to go pull for Western, well then f you. I love Appalachian State even if we were in DIII. Most of our fanbase can't say that, so get off my sack with the go pull for someone else shit.

Some agree, some disagree, but we are all entitled to our own opinion. Your opinion doesn't make you right because you called my opinion dumb or humorous. Done arguing.

Seattleapp · Unread post by **Seattleapp** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 9:36 am

/\PP ST/\TE GRAD 09 wrote:
/\PP ST/\TE GRAD 09 wrote:I'm beginning to think the whole FCS vs FBS argument of we will play more exciting teams in the Sun Belt is wearing away for me. I can honestly say I'd rather see App play Furman right now than this shit. At least I could enjoy the rivalry factor. I thought the promise was better competition. What's done is done, but damn I think it's a joke for us to play in this shitty conference. We deserve better.

I'm braced for the arguments.
This was the original post. Let me point out my points that have since been mangled and misinterpreted. Is ULL better than Furman? Yes. Was last nights game more exciting that it would have been had we played Furman? No. That's why I included the part about the rivalry factor, because even when we kicked Furman's ass and the game was over by halftime, it actually meant something other than another tally to the win column. Blowing ULL out on a Wednesday night just did nothing for me. I'm sorry this had led some of you to believe I should pull for Western. At no point did I directly state or bring up the fact we never should have moved up. I was one of the ones in favor. My point is that we are too good to be playing in the SunBelt. We weren't expected to be this good so quick, but we are and watching us play teams that are far more inferior does not speak well for the conference as a whole. If you want to argue about my claim we are too good for the SunBelt when we just got here, that's fair and I can see your points. If you want to tell me to go pull for Western, well then f you. I love Appalachian State even if we were in DIII. Most of our fanbase can't say that, so get off my sack with the go pull for someone else shit.

Some agree, some disagree, but we are all entitled to our own opinion. Your opinion doesn't make you right because you called my opinion dumb or humorous. Done arguing.

Your points make complete sense

WataugaMan · Unread post by **WataugaMan** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 9:43 am

As far as rivalry teams and Sun Belt goes, I still consider Georgia Southern our rivalry game. Just like the "ol days" of years past.

Deano · Unread post by **Deano** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 9:47 am

Your points make more sense to me, I will believe that we are too good for the Sun Belt once we have won several conference championships, until then we are with our peers. Besides, we had no other choices for moving up, and CUSA is now a dumpster fire.

Goapps15 · Unread post by **Goapps15** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 9:48 am

/\PP ST/\TE GRAD 09 wrote:
/\PP ST/\TE GRAD 09 wrote:I'm beginning to think the whole FCS vs FBS argument of we will play more exciting teams in the Sun Belt is wearing away for me. I can honestly say I'd rather see App play Furman right now than this shit. At least I could enjoy the rivalry factor. I thought the promise was better competition. What's done is done, but damn I think it's a joke for us to play in this shitty conference. We deserve better.

I'm braced for the arguments.
This was the original post. Let me point out my points that have since been mangled and misinterpreted. Is ULL better than Furman? Yes. Was last nights game more exciting that it would have been had we played Furman? No. That's why I included the part about the rivalry factor, because even when we kicked Furman's ass and the game was over by halftime, it actually meant something other than another tally to the win column. Blowing ULL out on a Wednesday night just did nothing for me. I'm sorry this had led some of you to believe I should pull for Western. At no point did I directly state or bring up the fact we never should have moved up. I was one of the ones in favor. My point is that we are too good to be playing in the SunBelt. We weren't expected to be this good so quick, but we are and watching us play teams that are far more inferior does not speak well for the conference as a whole. If you want to argue about my claim we are too good for the SunBelt when we just got here, that's fair and I can see your points. If you want to tell me to go pull for Western, well then f you. I love Appalachian State even if we were in DIII. Most of our fanbase can't say that, so get off my sack with the go pull for someone else shit.

Some agree, some disagree, but we are all entitled to our own opinion. Your opinion doesn't make you right because you called my opinion dumb or humorous. Done arguing.

The Sun Belt has never been the end game. Long term goal was to be in a regional conference with teams closer in resemblance to us and by geography. The Sun Belt is not even the worst G5 conference this year. Have you looked at the MAC East or CUSA as a whole?

Most G5 leagues don't have consistent winning programs. Most of the programs have coaches who are there to move to a P5 job. There are others who play too many P5 games. There are others who rely to heavily on transfers.

The week in and week out grind of the Sun Belt is still much more difficult than the SOCON. We will develop rivalries with these teams it just takes time.

SpeedkingATL · Unread post by **SpeedkingATL** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 9:50 am

Last night's gamewas a dominating performance. The fact that App could dominate with so many key players out is a testament to how deep this team has become and how hard every player works. It was great to see a guy like Josh Boyd get some carries and have some success. It was great to see a team with both ILB's on the sidelines continue to punish ULL. The first half shows what the offense is capable of.....the second half shows just how good this defense can be. Now lets get some players healthy for the stretch run.

Next up is Idaho and here's hoping the App fans show up like the players have the past couple of weeks.

EastHallApp · Unread post by **EastHallApp** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 9:53 am

I wouldn't say we are too good for the Sun Belt. Are we far superior to most of its teams? Yes. But the best teams in most leagues win a lot of blowouts (is Clemson "too good for the ACC"?), and as many have already pointed out, we haven't actually won a Sun Belt title yet.

To me, the drawbacks of the Sun Belt aren't that we're winning too much or too easily. I'd rather be kicking ass every week than hoping we can just get bowl-eligible, after all. They negatives are 1) bad geographic fit, and 2) the league's overall weakness - both in perception and reality - could hinder our program's long-term growth.

EastHallApp · Unread post by **EastHallApp** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 9:58 am

Let's also take a step back and realize we've been doing this for all of two years. It won't always be this good. I'm sure when Marshall went 10-3, 12-1 and 13-0 their first three FBS seasons, their fans thought it would be all top 20 finishes and New Year's bowls from there on out. These things don't last forever.

Our program has far surpassed any reasonable expectations for our FBS transition so far. That has caused/allowed us to raise the bar faster than anyone would have thought, and that's great. But let's not take for granted the success that we're having right now.

Unread post by **appst89** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 10:01 am

EastHallApp wrote:Let's also take a step back and realize we've been doing this for all of two years. It won't always be this good. I'm sure when Marshall went 10-3, 12-1 and 13-0 their first three FBS seasons, their fans thought it would be all top 20 finishes and New Year's bowls from there on out. These things don't last forever.

Our program has far surpassed any reasonable expectations for our FBS transition so far. That has caused/allowed us to raise the bar faster than anyone would have thought, and that's great. But let's not take for granted the success that we're having right now.

I know I must sound like a broken record, but Marshall was cheating when they did this. Nothing that we do should be compared in any way to Marshall.

Yosef84 · Unread post by **Yosef84** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 10:02 am

No comparison in the level of competition between the Sun Belt and SoCon. The old rivalries in the SoCon were great. The problem with the FCS is that, it really no longer offered any bragging rights. We had reached a point where winning was expected and losing to the small private universities was just embarrassing. I think some folks are having a bit of euphoric recall about those games.

The reason for moving up was so that we could compete at a higher level against peer institutions. That's what we are doing and I'm very happy with how things are going. The rivalries will grow. The level of competition in the Belt is improving and we are now in position to build TRUE rivalries with FBS programs. We are not limited to the Sun Belt. Wake is playing in BOONE next year! Marshal....ECU....The list goes on. I understand that Wednesday night games sap the environment, but ESPN helps to pay the bills.

Regarding the size of our DL...announcers keep harping on that. I think the issue is that most Defenses using a 3-4 scheme use oversized DE's in addition to a massive nose guard. We are smaller at Nose Guard this year and we tend to use DEs that are more comparable to a typical 4-3 formation, but we have always relied on speed. Fortunately, we have the depth to rotate personnel and we are making it work.

appchicago · Unread post by **appchicago** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 10:05 am

Goapps15 wrote: The Sun Belt is not even the worst G5 conference this year. Have you looked at the MAC East or CUSA as a whole?

Yeah, the MAC this year makes me feel like I'm living in a parallel universe. The directional Michigan schools are 3 of the top 4 programs in the MAC West, and while WMU has been decent the past few years and CMU has had momentary flashes of brilliance in the past, EMU has been TERRIBLE for years, and trio combined are oft-maligned.

NIU, on the other hand, is a dumpster fire this year, as are BGSU, Ball State, Kent State, etc.

EastHallApp · Unread post by **EastHallApp** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 10:25 am

appst89 wrote:
EastHallApp wrote:Let's also take a step back and realize we've been doing this for all of two years. It won't always be this good. I'm sure when Marshall went 10-3, 12-1 and 13-0 their first three FBS seasons, their fans thought it would be all top 20 finishes and New Year's bowls from there on out. These things don't last forever.

Our program has far surpassed any reasonable expectations for our FBS transition so far. That has caused/allowed us to raise the bar faster than anyone would have thought, and that's great. But let's not take for granted the success that we're having right now.
I know I must sound like a broken record, but Marshall was cheating when they did this. Nothing that we do should be compared in any way to Marshall.

Would it help if I said "duly noted"?

The point is that they won a lot of games at first, then struggled later.

bigdaddyg · Unread post by **bigdaddyg** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 10:26 am

An alternative argument can be made regarding "are we too good for the SB". If you look at our overall performance in every other sport but football (except maybe track?), we are not too good. Football alone, maybe. I threw out a topic a week or so ago that asked for hypothetical remade conferences. The angle I was after was are we considered a top 60 team? Point being if the top schools were reshuffled to create 5 conferences of 12 teams each- top conference has the best 12 then the second has the next best 12 and so on where would we fall? Some might argue that we would be in the 4th but probably in the 5th conference. Hypothetically speaking we are probably in the the best 60 teams and as far as G5's go if there were a new conference created we would be in the best one. Every G5 conference has dumpster fires. I'm sure that every other G5 conference has lackluster matchups as well as good rivalries. Unfortunately we really only have Stink right now.

moonshine · Unread post by **moonshine** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 10:31 am

Just want to point out that the boys from GMC (GA Military) are killing it this year. Sims leads the team in sacks (6) and Reed currently ranks 2nd on the D with 4 sacks. Matter of fact, App's Juco's are playing really well this year with Mondo leading the team in INT's.

Looking over the participation report, I did not see Brody Barrett listed and I swear I saw #68 make an appearance in the Cajun's backfield last night during the 2nd half.

Is Townes hurt? Not seeing him on the participation report either and with both ILB's out, I definitely thought he would have gotten a chance to play.

My biggest disappointment, with regards to participation, was not seeing any 2nd string OL players getting some reps. Unless I overlooked them, I don't see any OL 2nd stringers listed on the participation report. I realize they were trying to protect Lamb and give the 3rd/4th string RB's lanes to run in the 2nd half. I just feel this is the type of game you'd like to sprinkle some of the guys in to give them quality real game time reps to help build the depth.

Unread post by **appst89** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 10:35 am

EastHallApp wrote:
appst89 wrote:
EastHallApp wrote:Let's also take a step back and realize we've been doing this for all of two years. It won't always be this good. I'm sure when Marshall went 10-3, 12-1 and 13-0 their first three FBS seasons, their fans thought it would be all top 20 finishes and New Year's bowls from there on out. These things don't last forever.

Our program has far surpassed any reasonable expectations for our FBS transition so far. That has caused/allowed us to raise the bar faster than anyone would have thought, and that's great. But let's not take for granted the success that we're having right now.
I know I must sound like a broken record, but Marshall was cheating when they did this. Nothing that we do should be compared in any way to Marshall.
Would it help if I said "duly noted"?

The point is that they won a lot of games at first, then struggled later.

And my point is that they were not legitimate wins.

sixtoes9134 · Unread post by **sixtoes9134** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 10:43 am

/\PP ST/\TE GRAD 09 wrote:I'm beginning to think the whole FCS vs FBS argument of we will play more exciting teams in the Sun Belt is wearing away for me. I can honestly say I'd rather see App play Furman right now than this shit. At least I could enjoy the rivalry factor. I thought the promise was better competition. What's done is done, but damn I think it's a joke for us to play in this shitty conference. We deserve better.

I'm braced for the arguments.

After the bowl experience last year, I can safely say I would much rather go to a bowl game than be in the FCS Playoffs.

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