Best App team w/o Satt

[JTApps1]

I'm not sure I'm comfortable giving that title to a team that lost to WCU.

To be fair, WCU was actually a solid program back in those days plus we were just a few years removed from NAIA at that point. The 09 was VERY good, but all things considered the accomplishments of 1975 were better to me.

The 09 team only beat a 2 win WCU squad by 5 BTW...

With Armanti dressed but not playing and our running back, Travaris Cadet starting the game at QB.

While that is all true (although Moore was our starting RB) I thought there was a similar story to the 1975 game against WCU. So I called my App Football Encyclopedia (AppMan) and got the story from him.

On our first possession Robbie Price was shoved by a WCU defender while Robbie was celebrating what he thought was a TD. Robbie then pushed him back, and as usual the ref saw Robbie's push. He gets flagged and then ejected for arguing the penalty. His replacement wasn't very good, and had actually played for an injured Price in the loss to Richmond earlier that year.

So had Price not missed basically 2 games that team would have likely gone 10-1. With that in mind it's hard to make a case against them.

[EastHallApp]

I'm not sure I'm comfortable giving that title to a team that lost to WCU.

To be fair, WCU was actually a solid program back in those days plus we were just a few years removed from NAIA at that point. The 09 was VERY good, but all things considered the accomplishments of 1975 were better to me.

The 09 team only beat a 2 win WCU squad by 5 BTW...

With Armanti dressed but not playing and our running back, Travaris Cadet starting the game at QB.

While that is all true (although Moore was our starting RB) I thought there was a similar story to the 1975 game against WCU. So I called my App Football Encyclopedia (AppMan) and got the story from him.

On our first possession Robbie Price was shoved by a WCU defender while Robbie was celebrating what he thought was a TD. Robbie then pushed him back, and as usual the ref saw Robbie's push. He gets flagged and then ejected for arguing the penalty. His replacement wasn't very good, and had actually played for an injured Price in the loss to Richmond earlier that year.

So had Price not missed basically 2 games that team would have likely gone 10-1. With that in mind it's hard to make a case against them.

On the flip side, if Armanti doesn't miss the ECU game in '09, that's likely a win also.

[scatman77]

I'm not sure I'm comfortable giving that title to a team that lost to WCU.

To be fair, WCU was actually a solid program back in those days plus we were just a few years removed from NAIA at that point. The 09 was VERY good, but all things considered the accomplishments of 1975 were better to me.

The 09 team only beat a 2 win WCU squad by 5 BTW...

With Armanti dressed but not playing and our running back, Travaris Cadet starting the game at QB.

While that is all true (although Moore was our starting RB) I thought there was a similar story to the 1975 game against WCU. So I called my App Football Encyclopedia (AppMan) and got the story from him.

On our first possession Robbie Price was shoved by a WCU defender while Robbie was celebrating what he thought was a TD. Robbie then pushed him back, and as usual the ref saw Robbie's push. He gets flagged and then ejected for arguing the penalty. His replacement wasn't very good, and had actually played for an injured Price in the loss to Richmond earlier that year.

So had Price not missed basically 2 games that team would have likely gone 10-1. With that in mind it's hard to make a case against them.

Also, had we beaten UCLA we'd have locked up a Tangerine Bowl bid. Their people were in the press box that day. It's now the Citrus Bowl. Even though they had a pretty good team even with Robbie on the sidelines we should have beaten them. The backfield of Emmitt Hamilton, Calvin Simon, and fullback combo of Richard Patrick and John Craig was very formidable.

[JTApps1]

I'm not sure I'm comfortable giving that title to a team that lost to WCU.

To be fair, WCU was actually a solid program back in those days plus we were just a few years removed from NAIA at that point. The 09 was VERY good, but all things considered the accomplishments of 1975 were better to me.

The 09 team only beat a 2 win WCU squad by 5 BTW...

With Armanti dressed but not playing and our running back, Travaris Cadet starting the game at QB.

While that is all true (although Moore was our starting RB) I thought there was a similar story to the 1975 game against WCU. So I called my App Football Encyclopedia (AppMan) and got the story from him.

On our first possession Robbie Price was shoved by a WCU defender while Robbie was celebrating what he thought was a TD. Robbie then pushed him back, and as usual the ref saw Robbie's push. He gets flagged and then ejected for arguing the penalty. His replacement wasn't very good, and had actually played for an injured Price in the loss to Richmond earlier that year.

So had Price not missed basically 2 games that team would have likely gone 10-1. With that in mind it's hard to make a case against them.

On the flip side, if Armanti doesn't miss the ECU game in '09, that's likely a win also.

I think there is no doubt we beat them if Armanti plays, and that would have been the signature win of the season. The 75 team had 3 of those wins.

In the end its hard to say as the era's are so different, but its fun to go back and forth with each teams merits.

[NewApp]

I'm not sure I'm comfortable giving that title to a team that lost to WCU.

To be fair, WCU was actually a solid program back in those days plus we were just a few years removed from NAIA at that point. The 09 was VERY good, but all things considered the accomplishments of 1975 were better to me.

The 09 team only beat a 2 win WCU squad by 5 BTW...

With Armanti dressed but not playing and our running back, Travaris Cadet starting the game at QB.

While that is all true (although Moore was our starting RB) I thought there was a similar story to the 1975 game against WCU. So I called my App Football Encyclopedia (AppMan) and got the story from him.

On our first possession Robbie Price was shoved by a WCU defender while Robbie was celebrating what he thought was a TD. Robbie then pushed him back, and as usual the ref saw Robbie's push. He gets flagged and then ejected for arguing the penalty. His replacement wasn't very good, and had actually played for an injured Price in the loss to Richmond earlier that year.

So had Price not missed basically 2 games that team would have likely gone 10-1. With that in mind it's hard to make a case against them.

Also, had we beaten UCLA we'd have locked up a Tangerine Bowl bid. Their people were in the press box that day. It's now the Citrus Bowl. Even though they had a pretty good team even with Robbie on the sidelines we should have beaten them. The backfield of Emmitt Hamilton, Calvin Simon, and fullback combo of Richard Patrick and John Craig was very formidable.

John Craig was a transfer from U South Carolina and gained 215 yards rushing against the Gamecocks that day.

[AtlAppMan]

Let's put the '75 team into perspective. This is by no means a knock on our team's performance but rather just to give context.

1975 key wins
beat Wake: 3-8 (a bad team albeit in ACC)
beat ECU: 8-3 (had a good year and in SoCon that year)
beat USC: 7-5 (had an okay year lost in Tangerine Bowl to Miami of Ohio)

losses
lost to Richmond (5-7) a less than average team and SoCon team that year
lost to WCU (3-7) a bad team that got blown out by numerous opponents that year

From a pure outside observer that was not able to see the team play, on paper App had a very good year considering they were only a few years removed from the NAIA. It was a very good year based on their history but in the larger scale of NCAA football hard to know exactly how they would compare to top 25 NCAA teams.

[NewApp]

Let's put the '75 team into perspective. This is by no means a knock on our team's performance but rather just to give context.

1975 key wins
beat Wake: 3-8 (a bad team albeit in ACC)
beat ECU: 8-3 (had a good year and in SoCon that year)
beat USC: 7-5 (had an okay year lost in Russell Athletic Bowl to Miami of Ohio)

losses
lost to Richmond (5-7) a less than average team and SoCon team that year
lost to WCU (3-7) a bad team that got blown out by numerous opponents that year

From a pure outside observer that was not able to see the team play, on paper App had a very good year considering they were only a few years removed from the NAIA. It was a very good year based on their history but in the larger scale of NCAA football hard to know exactly how they would compare to top 25 NCAA teams.

Have to realize that USC would have been 9-2 had they not lost to us and not been in a bowl game.

[NewApp]

Let's put the '75 team into perspective. This is by no means a knock on our team's performance but rather just to give context.

1975 key wins
beat Wake: 3-8 (a bad team albeit in ACC)
beat ECU: 8-3 (had a good year and in SoCon that year)
beat USC: 7-5 (had an okay year lost in Russell Athletic Bowl to Miami of Ohio)

losses
lost to Richmond (5-7) a less than average team and SoCon team that year
lost to WCU (3-7) a bad team that got blown out by numerous opponents that year

From a pure outside observer that was not able to see the team play, on paper App had a very good year considering they were only a few years removed from the NAIA. It was a very good year based on their history but in the larger scale of NCAA football hard to know exactly how they would compare to top 25 NCAA teams.

USC played a tough schedule in 1975: Ga Tech, Duke, Georgia, Baylor, Virginia, Ole Miss, NC State, and Clemson. In addition, the game they lost to Miami of Ohio, Miami was 11-1 and ranked 12th in the AP. Beating USC, was one of the greatest wins in our history.

[JTApps1]

Let's put the '75 team into perspective. This is by no means a knock on our team's performance but rather just to give context.

1975 key wins
beat Wake: 3-8 (a bad team albeit in ACC)
beat ECU: 8-3 (had a good year and in SoCon that year)
beat USC: 7-5 (had an okay year lost in Russell Athletic Bowl to Miami of Ohio)

losses
lost to Richmond (5-7) a less than average team and SoCon team that year
lost to WCU (3-7) a bad team that got blown out by numerous opponents that year

From a pure outside observer that was not able to see the team play, on paper App had a very good year considering they were only a few years removed from the NAIA. It was a very good year based on their history but in the larger scale of NCAA football hard to know exactly how they would compare to top 25 NCAA teams.

That 5-7 Richmond team we lost to without our starter lost to Cincinnati, WV, UGA, VT, Ball State, and W&M. The ECU team we beat lost to #13 NC State and Richmond, but they also beat UNCCH.

[AppGrad78]

Let's put the '75 team into perspective. This is by no means a knock on our team's performance but rather just to give context.

1975 key wins
beat Wake: 3-8 (a bad team albeit in ACC)
beat ECU: 8-3 (had a good year and in SoCon that year)
beat USC: 7-5 (had an okay year lost in Russell Athletic Bowl to Miami of Ohio)

losses
lost to Richmond (5-7) a less than average team and SoCon team that year
lost to WCU (3-7) a bad team that got blown out by numerous opponents that year

From a pure outside observer that was not able to see the team play, on paper App had a very good year considering they were only a few years removed from the NAIA. It was a very good year based on their history but in the larger scale of NCAA football hard to know exactly how they would compare to top 25 NCAA teams.

I appreciate the research you put into this, but missing is App's third loss of 1975, a 30-23 setback to Furman. Furman went on to finish 5-5-1 and we went on to take third in the Southern Conference.

By the way, Price earned his ejection that afternoon in Cullowhee. True, his actions were in retaliation to a rather rough-and-tumble tackle by one of the Catamounts. But Price (who could be a bit hot-headed in those days) responded by kicking (well, it was more like a good kneeing) an opponent who was on the ground. He gave the refs no choice but to eject him.

[NewApp]

The WCU player was twisting Price's leg when he kicked him.

[wdhsbcsasu]

We all know that played with him, that Robbie was not hot headed! Reference the basketball game in the conference play-offs, a near brawl with VMI people, with Robbie and other FB players in attendance, with he leading the way. Got to love those days!