Article on bowls vs. FSC championship

[ASUMountaineer]

Average attendance of SoCon verses either MAC or the Sunbelt?
Come on guys

It could take several years to be at the top of a new FBS conference. We have to be prepared for a transition period complete with BUMPS. Attendance should not be one of them.

Don't read into what I am saying. My refrence is that attendance does not mean much to our decision as all that we are looking at are about the same. Not as good as we are. I keep reading about how the ACC is going to come beat down our doors and we are just going to have to expand our facilities. That is just not true. We are very well prepared for a move to the type of conference we will be joining. Now what happend 15-20 years from now I have no idea but today we have all the facilities we need.

Where are you reading that nonsense? Appfan? That can be the only place where such stupidity is exhibited.

Just to clarify it is not to have us join but to come play us. It is on appfan and on here, and yes it is nonsense.

That is still nonsense, and it's clear now where you were coming from. I would think that the only possible ACC teams that would even entertain the thought would be Wake Forest or maybe Duke. But, not the other ACC teams.

Reasonable people don't expect a move to FBS to be a panacea of dollars, exposure, and BCS bowls. However, the same reasonable people can expect those things to increase somewhat with a move, and that a move will benefit the university more than maintaining the status quo.

[bcoach]

Average attendance of SoCon verses either MAC or the Sunbelt?
Come on guys

It could take several years to be at the top of a new FBS conference. We have to be prepared for a transition period complete with BUMPS. Attendance should not be one of them.

Don't read into what I am saying. My refrence is that attendance does not mean much to our decision as all that we are looking at are about the same. Not as good as we are. I keep reading about how the ACC is going to come beat down our doors and we are just going to have to expand our facilities. That is just not true. We are very well prepared for a move to the type of conference we will be joining. Now what happend 15-20 years from now I have no idea but today we have all the facilities we need.

Where are you reading that nonsense? Appfan? That can be the only place where such stupidity is exhibited.

Just to clarify it is not to have us join but to come play us. It is on appfan and on here, and yes it is nonsense.

That is still nonsense, and it's clear now where you were coming from. I would think that the only possible ACC teams that would even entertain the thought would be Wake Forest or maybe Duke. But, not the other ACC teams.

Reasonable people don't expect a move to FBS to be a panacea of dollars, exposure, and BCS bowls. However, the same reasonable people can expect those things to increase somewhat with a move, and that a move will benefit the university more than maintaining the status quo.

If FCS were to stay a stable league I would disagree but I don't believe that to be the case. I don't see the FBS as a move that will make me very happy but more a move of self defense. Bottom line is that puts us in the same place in the end. Make the move but make damn sure it is the right move. I have no problem with waiting for the right time. I think ECU is wondering "what in the heck have we done"?

[ASUMountaineer]

That is still nonsense, and it's clear now where you were coming from. I would think that the only possible ACC teams that would even entertain the thought would be Wake Forest or maybe Duke. But, not the other ACC teams.

Reasonable people don't expect a move to FBS to be a panacea of dollars, exposure, and BCS bowls. However, the same reasonable people can expect those things to increase somewhat with a move, and that a move will benefit the university more than maintaining the status quo.

If FCS were to stay a stable league I would disagree but I don't believe that to be the case. I don't see the FBS as a move that will make me very happy but more a move of self defense. Bottom line is that puts us in the same place in the end. Make the move but make damn sure it is the right move. I have no problem with waiting for the right time. I think ECU is wondering "what in the heck have we done"?

Right, when I said "status quo" I simply meant ASU remaining FCS, not that the FCS would remain unchanged. I got fully on board the FBS train when I realized that the way the FCS was changing would present a worse situation for ASU. I'll be happy with a move to FBS though, besides it's about what's best for ASU, not what's best for ASUMountaineer.

[hapapp]

I think ECU is wondering "what in the heck have we done"?

I'm not sure they regret what they have done. It all depends what happens with the new Big East. In the end, the nBE will be like the old CUSA. I think they were concerned with the dilution of CUSA. It does take them a bit further from the regional lineup that was forming in CUSA. I took a look at their potential 2013 schedule and it will be difficult but they will certainly be drawing some good opponents. A lot of their fans think 2013 will be the do or die year for McNeil.

[JCline0429]

What is the average attendance for regular season MAC teams?

MAC avg regular season home games - 14,700
Eastern Michigan - 3,900 (low)
Ohio - 21,800 (high)

MAC has always had an overall problem with attendance and support. Using them as an example for attendance is a poor reference point.

There is also a supply and demand issue at play.

Not trying to debunk the entire article, as there are salient points, but just providing a few counter points to ponder.

You have talked me out of any desire for the administration to lead us in the direction of the MAC.

Would it help that the MAC schools are superior academically to the Sun Belt schools?

It does to me. That's one of the few attributes of the SoCon.

[bcoach]

I think ECU is wondering "what in the heck have we done"?

I'm not sure they regret what they have done. It all depends what happens with the new Big East. In the end, the nBE will be like the old CUSA. I think they were concerned with the dilution of CUSA. It does take them a bit further from the regional lineup that was forming in CUSA. I took a look at their potential 2013 schedule and it will be difficult but they will certainly be drawing some good opponents. A lot of their fans think 2013 will be the do or die year for McNeil.

Yes the jury is still out. I have a couple of friends who are doners over there and they are just concerned with future movements. They think there are some more bailouts to come.

[bcoach]

Average attendance of SoCon verses either MAC or the Sunbelt?
Come on guys

It could take several years to be at the top of a new FBS conference. We have to be prepared for a transition period complete with BUMPS. Attendance should not be one of them.

Don't read into what I am saying. My refrence is that attendance does not mean much to our decision as all that we are looking at are about the same. Not as good as we are. I keep reading about how the ACC is going to come beat down our doors and we are just going to have to expand our facilities. That is just not true. We are very well prepared for a move to the type of conference we will be joining. Now what happend 15-20 years from now I have no idea but today we have all the facilities we need.

FWIW, I would be way way disappointed if I flew several hundred miles to see App play one of the Louisiana directional schools (Louisiana -Lafayette or Monroe and there being only 17,000 or so fans. I don't mind driving down to Spartanburg and seeing a small crowd in Wofford's stadium..but that doesn't take hundreds of dollars of plane fares to do so.

Well I have probably taken my last plane ride to a game as far as I can see at this point.

Boom! Outing alert! Bcoach is John Madden.

Well what I really meant to say was that I just was not going to go, but if they have a kitchen and a bar on that thing