Great Article on replacement options

[appaneer1984]

I'm not worried about losing our culture, DG is a very principled man and he wouldn't let one of our biggest attributes go by the wayside just to pick up a couple more wins or blue chip players

[AppGrad78]

Everyone is going to say culture but that’s a list of 10 guys that literally no one else wants as a head coach, granted Elliot at GSU. I just don’t understand the need to box ourselves into these mediocre, at best, candidates.

Tim Horton seems like the best fit. He recruits the south and has a great resume recruiting and coaching running backs, two things that are very important for us. The fact that he wants to be here, knows the culture, has a good resume in the SEC.... I just like the sound of it. I absolutely would hope he could retain Brown since Brown is still wet behind the ears.... I think Satt takes Clark and Ivey based on things I’m hearing.

Someone told me that Clark is staying if someone he knows from the past would stay. I think it depends on who is chosen whether he goes. Clark loves App. I thought perhaps Ivey would go or maybe go coach with Elliott unless we had someone he knew from when he played that was the HC. I would think Ruffin could keep him and would definitely look to do so.

Come on, Doug. Stop with this silly charade. For those who aren't aware, AppStFan1 is Doug Glenn, a former frequent contributor to this board. Doug and Tim Horton are best buddies, and Doug is surreptitiously promoting Horton for the job. Horton way be a good candidate for the job. Only Doug Gillin knows. But it's disingenuous of you to steer the conversation toward Horton without full disclosure.

2 corrections.

1. I am not Glenn. I know the name but don't know how close he is or isn't with any candidate.

2. And this is the biggest correction of the two. I did not steer the convo to Horton. AppStateAlum is the one who did that. He quoted something that happened to have something I said in there. Go back an check the author of that post.

Someone else mentioned their top 3 candidates and that is where the thread started from.

I personally think we should look at all candidates. Personally, my favorite would be McNeil because we would have a big name that people know but I am open to them all. I'm just not sure if he would come because he is coaching with his best buddy in the biz. Gillin will get this right.

If you see Doug Glenn in the Gastonia area today and his nose is a couple of inches longer, you’ll know why.

You get:
1) One Pinocchio
2) Two Pinocchios

[appgrad]

I want someone who has been a successful coordinator at a high-level G5 or P5, or a successful head coach… I would prefer to not hire someone who has only ever been a position coach, assistant head coach ( which is a title most schools use as an excuse to give assistants a big raise) or a recruiting coordinator, which I do not view the same way as an on-field coordinator.

With the exception of Brown & Ruffin (and Shawn Elliott, who is a non-starter anyway) most of the people listed on this list are position coach lifers. The fact that they have not moved up to a coordinator position tells me that the people who employ them, or others who know their work, do not view them as being even qualified enough to be a coordinator.

Apologies if that offends anyone who has personal relationships with the men listed in that article. I’ve heard nothing but good things about them as people, but that does not mean that they would be good head coaches.

[Cro-Magnon App]

Doesn't mean that they won't, either.

[NattyBumppo'sRevenge]

Tim Horton seems like the best fit. He recruits the south and has a great resume recruiting and coaching running backs, two things that are very important for us. The fact that he wants to be here, knows the culture, has a good resume in the SEC.... I just like the sound of it. I absolutely would hope he could retain Brown since Brown is still wet behind the ears.... I think Satt takes Clark and Ivey based on things I’m hearing.

Someone told me that Clark is staying if someone he knows from the past would stay. I think it depends on who is chosen whether he goes. Clark loves App. I thought perhaps Ivey would go or maybe go coach with Elliott unless we had someone he knew from when he played that was the HC. I would think Ruffin could keep him and would definitely look to do so.

Come on, Doug. Stop with this silly charade. For those who aren't aware, AppStFan1 is Doug Glenn, a former frequent contributor to this board. Doug and Tim Horton are best buddies, and Doug is surreptitiously promoting Horton for the job. Horton way be a good candidate for the job. Only Doug Gillin knows. But it's disingenuous of you to steer the conversation toward Horton without full disclosure.

2 corrections.

1. I am not Glenn. I know the name but don't know how close he is or isn't with any candidate.

2. And this is the biggest correction of the two. I did not steer the convo to Horton. AppStateAlum is the one who did that. He quoted something that happened to have something I said in there. Go back an check the author of that post.

Someone else mentioned their top 3 candidates and that is where the thread started from.

I personally think we should look at all candidates. Personally, my favorite would be McNeil because we would have a big name that people know but I am open to them all. I'm just not sure if he would come because he is coaching with his best buddy in the biz. Gillin will get this right.

If you see Doug Glenn in the Gastonia area today and his nose is a couple of inches longer, you’ll know why.

You get:
1) One Pinocchio
2) Two Pinocchios

Technically, he said, "I am not Glenn", he didn't say "I am not Doug Glenn".

[PJ42]

With all due respect to the older guys in this group (McNeil, Searles, and Horton), give me one of the younger guys. I'm sure I'll get some push back for this but the "culture" is different than it was in the mid 90's. Hire a coach that was part of the National Championship run or during the Satterfield term and continue to build off of that. Personally, I love Elliott despite his difficult tenure at GA State. He walked on at App and grew with Satterfield through the ranks. He's an excellent motivator and understands the recruiting landscape. Brown and Ledford would be my second and third choices. The wildcard that I am undecided on is Ivey. He seems to have the same moxy as Elliott. Just lacks the resume. Should be interesting. DG has to get this right...

[appgrad]

With all due respect to the older guys in this group (McNeil, Searles, and Horton), give me one of the younger guys. I'm sure I'll get some push back for this but the "culture" is different than it was in the mid 90's. Hire a coach that was part of the National Championship run or during the Satterfield term and continue to build off of that. Personally, I love Elliott despite his difficult tenure at GA State. He walked on at App and grew with Satterfield through the ranks. He's an excellent motivator and understands the recruiting landscape. Brown and Ledford would be my second and third choices. The wildcard that I am undecided on is Ivey. He seems to have the same moxy as Elliott. Just lacks the resume. Should be interesting. DG has to get this right...

I will stress this again… Shawn Elliott has a $750,000 buyout. We are not paying $750,000 for anyone, let alone a coach who just went 2-10 In the same division as us.

[NattyBumppo'sRevenge]

There are two things I'd like to be part of the search. Even though he is leaving, I'd like DG to get feedback from Satterfield on who he thinks would be qualified to take the helm. Satterfield is a great evaluator of talent, not just for players, but for coaches as well. I would think that since he helped build this monster, he'd have a vested interest in seeing it succeed. Second, I think we need to have a plan in place for grooming the next HC in waiting. It'd be nice if that plan was already in place over the past two years knowing that Satt would be leaving before long. It would be short-sighted to not plan ahead and get caught with your pants down when you knew this day was coming. As a bonus, it'd be nice to get Lamb on the coaching staff in some capacity if not QB coach.

[Yosef84]

I have no idea who would be the best person for the job but I have to think that DG has a good idea of their respective strengths. I believe that Satterfield has provided pretty detailed information on what he thinks would be needed to continue our success as well. We will almost certainly be hiring an "unproven" talent at the head coach level unless we hire McNeil or Elliott. I think it's interesting that Sloan is included on the list but I can't see him being hired as HC when he was passed over as the DC candidate last year. Similar thoughts on Ivey. Those two might ultimately be GREAT candidates but that is my concern in terms of ranking the candidates mentioned.

[hapapp]

I want someone who has been a successful coordinator at a high-level G5 or P5, or a successful head coach… I would prefer to not hire someone who has only ever been a position coach, assistant head coach ( which is a title most schools use as an excuse to give assistants a big raise) or a recruiting coordinator, which I do not view the same way as an on-field coordinator.

With the exception of Brown & Ruffin (and Shawn Elliott, who is a non-starter anyway) most of the people listed on this list are position coach lifers. The fact that they have not moved up to a coordinator position tells me that the people who employ them, or others who know their work, do not view them as being even qualified enough to be a coordinator.

Apologies if that offends anyone who has personal relationships with the men listed in that article. I’ve heard nothing but good things about them as people, but that does not mean that they would be good head coaches.

I don't think Dabo was an OC/DC before Clemson hired him. I don't think being either is a prerequisite.

[97APP]

One question, why is Ponce not listed? Not saying he should be our next HC. But, when looking at the list provided in the article, I think he should at least be considered.

[huskie3]

Horton
McNeill
Settle

My choices.

[8993]

There are a few ways I could see it go. We could look towards FCS Head Coaches, FBS Assistant Coaches, or some conglomerate of the two and pull somebody out of left field. Having said that, there are a few coaches from each area that I hope we at least look at, even if we don't ask them to head up the mountain for an interview.

Since FBS Assistant Coaches have been talked over a number of times on Yosef's Cabin, here are a few FCS coaches I think could use a look:

- Curt Cignetti, Elon: Cignetti has turned around the Elon Phoenix a great deal, resulting in two FCS Playoff berths in his first two seasons at Elon. He reportedly was offered an FBS coaching job and declined it due to location, so with Elon being only two hours from Boone, I could see this being a bit more enticing than what was reportedly Bowling Green State. He's currently 14-9 overall at Elon.

- John Grass, JSU: Head Coach at Jacksonville State for the past five years, he's coached the team to the FCS Playoffs every season he's been there, although they have yet to win the Championship under his reign. He's 52-12 at JSU, which is great, but there seems to be some discourse between the fans and him. I'm not sure if he'd entertain a move to the FBS and to North Carolina, but he's in great recruiting grounds.

- Brian Bohannon, KSU: Being the inaugural Head Coach at Kennesaw State, this guy has made diamonds from coal, going 36-11 in his first four seasons at KSU. He went 12-2 last season and is currently at 10-1 this season, with the Owls still playing in the FCS Playoffs. He doesn't have a ton of time or experience under his belt, but what he does have, he's done a lot with and done well for himself. Having recruited heavily in Georgia wouldn't hurt us, either.

- Chris Klieman, NDSU: Who knows where this one could go. He's built a force at NDSU, one that expects to win every single game every season. He's currently 66-6 in his five seasons at NDSU, with them playing in the FCS Playoffs every year, including three FCS Championships. Is he interested in moving up? App State, which was the NDSU of yesteryear, might be the right move for him, or is he hoping for bigger?

- Others to note: Aaron Best at Eastern Washington, Randy Sanders at ETSU, Russ Huesman at Richmond

[Yosef10]

Everyone is going to say culture but that’s a list of 10 guys that literally no one else wants as a head coach, granted Elliot at GSU. I just don’t understand the need to box ourselves into these mediocre, at best, candidates.

Seriously? I look at that last and feel 10 times better than I did five minutes ago. Now, there's a few on the list that I would wonder about but there's some really strong options there, and that's just this guy's list. I imagine Gillen is getting interest from some "outside" candidates that could be strong, also. The culture thing is important though. This program has an identity and an ethic and we can't overlook that.

Super serious. You feel better because you’re familiar with them, not because they’ve proven they can be accountable for an entire team - hell, most of those 10 haven’t even been responsible for one side of the ball. I agree culture is important, but there’s other guys out there who understand the kind of culture that needs to be establish who didn’t stand on the sidelines at App when we were FCS. As for someone with an App tie, I’d take Donnie Kirkpatrick in a heartbeat over the 10 listed in that article, other than possibly Bryan Brown.

[huskie3]

What about Bobby Lamb? He is a proven head coach.

[The Rock]

I have no idea who would be the best person for the job but I have to think that DG has a good idea of their respective strengths. I believe that Satterfield has provided pretty detailed information on what he thinks would be needed to continue our success as well. We will almost certainly be hiring an "unproven" talent at the head coach level unless we hire McNeil or Elliott. I think it's interesting that Sloan is included on the list but I can't see him being hired as HC when he was passed over as the DC candidate last year. Similar thoughts on Ivey. Those two might ultimately be GREAT candidates but that is my concern in terms of ranking the candidates mentioned.

Sloan was not passed over for the defensive coordinators job. Woody didn’t announce that he was leaving until after Georgia Southern leaked the offer and he had to take the job then woody announced he was leaving shortly there after. If what he would have announced sooner Sloan would have been the defensive coordinator.
That being said, screw Sloan. He has the stink on him now and can stay there for all I care

[Yosef10]

For those who are rooting for Ruffin McNeil to get the gig, boy i hope you are ready for a complete 180 in terms of character of kids we recruit to Boone. While I was against Ruffins firing down in Greenville, it wasn’t without some merit. Recruited tons of JUCOs who didn’t hit which is absolutely terrible in terms of long term health for a program. Character concerns out the wazzu, kids barely suspended for doing a drive by with a BB Gun downtown near an elementary school, recruited a kid who ended up stealing a car, and all that is before you get to the plethora of kids booted off the team for academic concerns. Scotty Mo was no prize down there but Ruffin did him absolutely no favors.

[stafford]

Montgomery was strict about character, off the field actions, and grades. But didn't win.

[AppStFan1]

I want someone who has been a successful coordinator at a high-level G5 or P5, or a successful head coach… I would prefer to not hire someone who has only ever been a position coach, assistant head coach ( which is a title most schools use as an excuse to give assistants a big raise) or a recruiting coordinator, which I do not view the same way as an on-field coordinator.

With the exception of Brown & Ruffin (and Shawn Elliott, who is a non-starter anyway) most of the people listed on this list are position coach lifers. The fact that they have not moved up to a coordinator position tells me that the people who employ them, or others who know their work, do not view them as being even qualified enough to be a coordinator.

Apologies if that offends anyone who has personal relationships with the men listed in that article. I’ve heard nothing but good things about them as people, but that does not mean that they would be good head coaches.

I can understand your thinking. I just know that Dabo Swinney broke that mold that you can't hire a position coach. I think we have to consider those guys if they have a great resume. I don't care what position the coach is as long as he does 4 things.

1. Continues this type of culture we have in the locker rooms and on the field
2. Recruit recruit recruit. Has connections and knows the area we do very well
3. Continue to make sure our players are not only talented but they get it done in the classroom. We want our players to graduate!
4. Does a great job of scheming against teams, clock management, and makes sure our team is disciplined and smart.

[Yosef84]

I have no idea who would be the best person for the job but I have to think that DG has a good idea of their respective strengths. I believe that Satterfield has provided pretty detailed information on what he thinks would be needed to continue our success as well. We will almost certainly be hiring an "unproven" talent at the head coach level unless we hire McNeil or Elliott. I think it's interesting that Sloan is included on the list but I can't see him being hired as HC when he was passed over as the DC candidate last year. Similar thoughts on Ivey. Those two might ultimately be GREAT candidates but that is my concern in terms of ranking the candidates mentioned.

Sloan was not passed over for the defensive coordinators job. Woody didn’t announce that he was leaving until after Georgia Southern leaked the offer and he had to take the job then woody announced he was leaving shortly there after. If what he would have announced sooner Sloan would have been the defensive coordinator.
That being said, screw Sloan. He has the stains on them now and can stay there for all I care

Thanks for the clarification. I apparently had things in the wrong order. Maybe I had made assumptions (shame on me) regarding the activity "behind the scenes" but thanks for setting the timeline straight. I have nothing against Sloan. I talked to him at one of the Yosef Club events a few years ago and he was very personable. I do think he did a great job at GS this season.