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[bigdaddyg]

That is crazy that Cincinnati loses and drops one spot. They are still top 25 but not top 20. Gotta wonder just how much the committee actually cares about spots 11 and down- I would say little to none. Honestly does it matter at all to them. Nobody is climbing into the top 4 from outside the top 10 so it’s all just a song and dance. Maybe if we really lay it on La it will make an impression and there isn’t any other competition as far as games to view so who knows?

[appvette]

Would someone mind starting a new thread on how proud we are of App State bring ranked #21 in the CFP poll. So the real positive will be a real positive. I don't remember any posts back in August other than we would have to be 12-0 to make the NY6. We are 11-1 and just there knocking on the door. Very proud of those kids!

You do it

[EastHallApp]

The funny thing is, Cincy gets the boost from being in the AAC without actually beating the other top teams in that league.

Didn’t play SMU.

Didn’t play Navy.

Lost to Memphis by 10.

Beat UCF by 3 at home, Temple by 2 at home, ECU by 3, USF by 3.

[AppStAlum2007]

How many times do those of us who want to move to the AAC have to say this. The SBC is considered the worst league. We have to win by as much as possible. There is no score that is too much for us to win by. If we could somehow win 50-0 against ULL I would say do it. We needed to average about 24-30 per win and go undefeated to even be in a NY6.

I personally do not believe that the SBC is still considered the worst league. Way more compelling arguments for that title could be made for the MAC or Conf. USA.

[AppStFan1]

How many times do those of us who want to move to the AAC have to say this. The SBC is considered the worst league. We have to win by as much as possible. There is no score that is too much for us to win by. If we could somehow win 50-0 against ULL I would say do it. We needed to average about 24-30 per win and go undefeated to even be in a NY6.

I personally do not believe that the SBC is still considered the worst league. Way more compelling arguments for that title could be made for the MAC or Conf. USA.

The media thinks it is. I have heard media members this year say it on video previews and in writing. The SBC is not. I agree 100% it is the MAC or CUSA and I really think it is the MAC. I would pick the top 3 teams in CUSA to win the MAC and possibly 4 in the SBC to win it. I don't think the MAC Champ would finish in the top 5 of the AAC. The MAC use to be pretty good but it has certainly fallen off the last 3 years.

[AppFan11]

SBC is not worst G5 conference.... based on several measures we are 3rd. That’s not bad since we’ve only been in the league 5 yrs. in 2014 it was the worst G5 league. While it pisses me off that a 2- loss Cincy is ahead of a one loss Apps, if you would have said that within of 5 yrs of moving up to FBS, that we would be ranked 21 (or 20 in AP and Coaches) I would take it all day. But I do think that the CFP is saying that playing and winning 2 P5’s doesn’t matter. That is just dumb thinking. As I said previously, 2 P5 wins is and should be significantly better than 2-3 Top 25 wins of G5 teams... and that is all Cincy or Memphis have. Our new Sunbelt Commisioner has been MIA..... he should be beating the drum publically for his teams.

[ah59396]

How many times do those of us who want to move to the AAC have to say this. The SBC is considered the worst league. We have to win by as much as possible. There is no score that is too much for us to win by. If we could somehow win 50-0 against ULL I would say do it. We needed to average about 24-30 per win and go undefeated to even be in a NY6.

I personally do not believe that the SBC is still considered the worst league. Way more compelling arguments for that title could be made for the MAC or Conf. USA.

The media thinks it is. I have heard media members this year say it on video previews and in writing. The SBC is not. I agree 100% it is the MAC or CUSA and I really think it is the MAC. I would pick the top 3 teams in CUSA to win the MAC and possibly 4 in the SBC to win it. I don't think the MAC Champ would finish in the top 5 of the AAC. The MAC use to be pretty good but it has certainly fallen off the last 3 years.

But in the other thread you told us all how the AP Poll doesn’t matter. And it’s media driven.

Now media perception regarding strength of conferences does matter? Which one is it?

Every computer model on the planet has the SBC ahead of the MAC and CUSA.

[GreatAppSt]

Proving once again that the CFP and Collegiate Football in the US has all the merits of feudalism.

[ericsaid]

Yep. Cotton Bowl officially dead. What a joke. Cincy’s best win is against a 4-8 UCLA team that lost to Oregon State and San Diego State.

Looks like Aresco's assault on the media this week paid off. They don't care about the G5 so whichever one is the loudest will get the best treatment. Cinci is an absolute joke they shouldn't be top 25 if you look at the schedule. They prop their resume up on their two "quality" losses... that's all you need to know.

Boise being ahead of App is a joke to anyone who watched the Boise - Colorado State game.

[ericsaid]

Proving once again that the CFP and Collegiate Football in the US has all the merits of feudalism.

They are AD's from mostly P5 schools. Their programs stand to gain or lose money based on how these rankings worked out. Considering that the meetings are closed, I wouldn't be surprised if some level of financial analysis isn't completed to estimate the revenue that will be generated by participants of the various bowls impacted by these rankings.

The CFP is private, as far as a I know, thus being immune from FOIA requests. For the AD's of the public institutions, I'd like to see a FOIA request put in for any communications regarding the CFP rankings, personally.

[AppStFan1]

How many times do those of us who want to move to the AAC have to say this. The SBC is considered the worst league. We have to win by as much as possible. There is no score that is too much for us to win by. If we could somehow win 50-0 against ULL I would say do it. We needed to average about 24-30 per win and go undefeated to even be in a NY6.

I personally do not believe that the SBC is still considered the worst league. Way more compelling arguments for that title could be made for the MAC or Conf. USA.

The media thinks it is. I have heard media members this year say it on video previews and in writing. The SBC is not. I agree 100% it is the MAC or CUSA and I really think it is the MAC. I would pick the top 3 teams in CUSA to win the MAC and possibly 4 in the SBC to win it. I don't think the MAC Champ would finish in the top 5 of the AAC. The MAC use to be pretty good but it has certainly fallen off the last 3 years.

But in the other thread you told us all how the AP Poll doesn’t matter. And it’s media driven.

Now media perception regarding strength of conferences does matter? Which one is it?

Every computer model on the planet has the SBC ahead of the MAC and CUSA.

AP Poll does not matter. I was just mentioning that the media thinks the SBC is the worst and no tall do but many still do. The CFP has the SBC ahead of those two but still behind the AAC by a good bit. Just look at the poll and you can see that is a fact. There are 2 AAC teams ahead of the SBC leader and there have been as many as what 4 ranked from the league at one point this year. They think more of a 10-2 or 9-2 AAC team than a 10-2 or 9-2 MWC team.

We had folks on here that said we would be ahead of Memphis if we just won out but I'm not so sure of that. They have always had us lower than the AP and Coaches do. Those polls clearly don't carry more weight because every time the CFP ranks someone like 20-23 range that was not in the other polls they vault that team way up when they win, regardless of who they beat.

The committee clearly likes us but they have such a high opinion of the AAC that is keeping them above us for sure. There is nothing we can do this weekend short of winning by 50 to even have a prayer. Drink won't do that and I don't think ULL is bad enough that we could. If we proved me wrong and won like 49-7 or 52-3 or something then I bet the committee would vault us up to like 16-17 for sure.

[AppStFan1]

Proving once again that the CFP and Collegiate Football in the US has all the merits of feudalism.

They are AD's from mostly P5 schools. Their programs stand to gain or lose money based on how these rankings worked out. Considering that the meetings are closed, I wouldn't be surprised if some level of financial analysis isn't completed to estimate the revenue that will be generated by participants of the various bowls impacted by these rankings.

The CFP is private, as far as a I know, thus being immune from FOIA requests. For the AD's of the public institutions, I'd like to see a FOIA request put in for any communications regarding the CFP rankings, personally.

I am not saying you guys are wrong in wanting this stuff public because I think they should be but what exactly are they doing that we are skeptical of? They are putting the P5 teams much higher because they feel like they are.

Their job is to pick the best teams, not the best records. Texas A&M beat South Carolina 30-3 while we just beat them by 5. Some of our fans think A&M has no business being ranked but if we played their schedule we would likely be 6-6 or 7-5 ourselves.

There is not one player on our team who chose us over several P5 schools. We have players on our team right now that almost went to Duke, GT, Tennessee, South Carolina, Vanderbilt, etc but did not get the offer so they landed at App. They would have gone there had they had the offers. Until we start landing 4-star recruits who have commitable P5 offers and beat 6-6 or below P5 teams by 20 points points and throttle every G5 team we play we will not be ranked in the top 10-15. Why is that? Because that is what a top 10 team would do.

And honestly the ADs did not want the playoff for the longest time because they were afraid G5 teams could crash the party and we would see more parody. I personally only think they will expand the playoff if they see they can make more money and set up a route that will be almost impossible for a G5 team to navigate through. Your beef is true but it is not what has the CFP ranking us #21 right now. They feel we are about #21 in the country. Had we been undefeated and beat everyone in the SBC by about 35+ every week, including ULL, then I'm pretty sure we would be the top G5 right now.

[AppStFan1]

SBC is not worst G5 conference.... based on several measures we are 3rd. That’s not bad since we’ve only been in the league 5 yrs. in 2014 it was the worst G5 league. While it pisses me off that a 2- loss Cincy is ahead of a one loss Apps, if you would have said that within of 5 yrs of moving up to FBS, that we would be ranked 21 (or 20 in AP and Coaches) I would take it all day. But I do think that the CFP is saying that playing and winning 2 P5’s doesn’t matter. That is just dumb thinking. As I said previously, 2 P5 wins is and should be significantly better than 2-3 Top 25 wins of G5 teams... and that is all Cincy or Memphis have. Our new Sunbelt Commisioner has been MIA..... he should be beating the drum publically for his teams.

We are not the worst. I said many in media think we are. The CFP clearly thinks the SBC is weaker than the AAC and MWC. Proof is the amount of teams from those leagues who have been ranked. If they liked the SBC as much then ULL would be ranked about 24-25 and you would see receiving votes in polls for 9-3 or 8-4 SBC teams. That is not happening.

As for our commissioner I am not sure why but I'm pretty sure he does not really care. There is probably some resentment towards us. They want ULL, Troy, ULM, or Arkansas State to be the G5 rep. They are longer tenured but I do know if we ever get in the NY6 then he will gladly jump on our backs and cash that check.

[ericsaid]

Proving once again that the CFP and Collegiate Football in the US has all the merits of feudalism.

They are AD's from mostly P5 schools. Their programs stand to gain or lose money based on how these rankings worked out. Considering that the meetings are closed, I wouldn't be surprised if some level of financial analysis isn't completed to estimate the revenue that will be generated by participants of the various bowls impacted by these rankings.

The CFP is private, as far as a I know, thus being immune from FOIA requests. For the AD's of the public institutions, I'd like to see a FOIA request put in for any communications regarding the CFP rankings, personally.

I am not saying you guys are wrong in wanting this stuff public because I think they should be but what exactly are they doing that we are skeptical of? They are putting the P5 teams much higher because they feel like they are.

Their job is to pick the best teams, not the best records. Texas A&M beat South Carolina 30-3 while we just beat them by 5. Some of our fans think A&M has no business being ranked but if we played their schedule we would likely be 6-6 or 7-5 ourselves.

There is not one player on our team who chose us over several P5 schools. We have players on our team right now that almost went to Duke, GT, Tennessee, South Carolina, Vanderbilt, etc but did not get the offer so they landed at App. They would have gone there had they had the offers. Until we start landing 4-star recruits who have commitable P5 offers and beat 6-6 or below P5 teams by 20 points points and throttle every G5 team we play we will not be ranked in the top 10-15. Why is that? Because that is what a top 10 team would do.

And honestly the ADs did not want the playoff for the longest time because they were afraid G5 teams could crash the party and we would see more parody. I personally only think they will expand the playoff if they see they can make more money and set up a route that will be almost impossible for a G5 team to navigate through. Your beef is true but it is not what has the CFP ranking us #21 right now. They feel we are about #21 in the country. Had we been undefeated and beat everyone in the SBC by about 35+ every week, including ULL, then I'm pretty sure we would be the top G5 right now.

It isn't about the P5 teams. It's about the fact that Cincinnati was outplayed start to finish in their game yet they drop one spot? It's clear that the committee is treating the AAC as essentially a non-P5 conference with an auto bid. I've watched Cincy and in no way are they more impressive than App in any facet of the game. Their schedule is iffy and their best win is quite literally UCLA. They had close calls against Temple and ECU. SMU lost only to Memphis and had a close game against ECU which dropped them out.

Why is there not a similar treatment of Cincy? They have essentially the same resume as SMU without a signature win, so to speak.

Boise State? They beat Florida State and Air Force. Had close calls to Marshall and Colorado State. Air Force seems to be a bit overrated based on what I've seen. They also lost to BYU when BYU was in a slump.

It's all about hedging.

[ah59396]

It’s weird to me to see fans of our team so quick to lower us beneath other G5 teams due to perceived conference strength.

We would beat Cincinnati by 2 tds. I’m extremely confident of that fact.

You can not convince me we would get shutout by Ohio State, nor scrape by ECU.

Go look at ECU’s 4 wins.

FCS Gardner Webb
FCS William and Mary
1-10 ODU
2-11 UCONN

Ga Southern is a “bad loss”. They are also a rival, in nightmare weather. They’re also 7-5 and lost to Minnesota by 3. And hell they still managed to not get shutout by LSU.

[ericsaid]

Would someone mind starting a new thread on how proud we are of App State bring ranked #21 in the CFP poll. So the real positive will be a real positive. I don't remember any posts back in August other than we would have to be 12-0 to make the NY6. We are 11-1 and just there knocking on the door. Very proud of those kids!

You do it

Can everyone not be proud of the team and irritated at the committee's unwillingness to show any backbone here? Cincinnati did not look like a Top 25 team last weekend, period. They haven't looked the part for 5 or 6 weeks now.

[AppStFan1]

Proving once again that the CFP and Collegiate Football in the US has all the merits of feudalism.

They are AD's from mostly P5 schools. Their programs stand to gain or lose money based on how these rankings worked out. Considering that the meetings are closed, I wouldn't be surprised if some level of financial analysis isn't completed to estimate the revenue that will be generated by participants of the various bowls impacted by these rankings.

The CFP is private, as far as a I know, thus being immune from FOIA requests. For the AD's of the public institutions, I'd like to see a FOIA request put in for any communications regarding the CFP rankings, personally.

I am not saying you guys are wrong in wanting this stuff public because I think they should be but what exactly are they doing that we are skeptical of? They are putting the P5 teams much higher because they feel like they are.

Their job is to pick the best teams, not the best records. Texas A&M beat South Carolina 30-3 while we just beat them by 5. Some of our fans think A&M has no business being ranked but if we played their schedule we would likely be 6-6 or 7-5 ourselves.

There is not one player on our team who chose us over several P5 schools. We have players on our team right now that almost went to Duke, GT, Tennessee, South Carolina, Vanderbilt, etc but did not get the offer so they landed at App. They would have gone there had they had the offers. Until we start landing 4-star recruits who have commitable P5 offers and beat 6-6 or below P5 teams by 20 points points and throttle every G5 team we play we will not be ranked in the top 10-15. Why is that? Because that is what a top 10 team would do.

And honestly the ADs did not want the playoff for the longest time because they were afraid G5 teams could crash the party and we would see more parody. I personally only think they will expand the playoff if they see they can make more money and set up a route that will be almost impossible for a G5 team to navigate through. Your beef is true but it is not what has the CFP ranking us #21 right now. They feel we are about #21 in the country. Had we been undefeated and beat everyone in the SBC by about 35+ every week, including ULL, then I'm pretty sure we would be the top G5 right now.

It isn't about the P5 teams. It's about the fact that Cincinnati was outplayed start to finish in their game yet they drop one spot? It's clear that the committee is treating the AAC as essentially a non-P5 conference with an auto bid. I've watched Cincy and in no way are they more impressive than App in any facet of the game. Their schedule is iffy and their best win is quite literally UCLA. They had close calls against Temple and ECU. SMU lost only to Memphis and had a close game against ECU which dropped them out.

Why is there not a similar treatment of Cincy? They have essentially the same resume as SMU without a signature win, so to speak.

Boise State? They beat Florida State and Air Force. Had close calls to Marshall and Colorado State. Air Force seems to be a bit overrated based on what I've seen. They also lost to BYU when BYU was in a slump.

It's all about hedging.

Have you seen the OOC record for the AAC? I got this from the SBC weekly release.

• The Sun Belt is building on its non-conference success from a year ago with 22 wins and the third-best winning percentage among the Group of Five conferences so far this season.

1. American - 33-13 (.717)
2. Mountain West - 29-18 (.617)
3. Sun Belt - 22-18 (.550)
4. Conference USA - 23 -31 (.426)
5. Mid-American - 18-30 (.375)

Look at that record. The AAC is just a small notch below the worst P5 league (ACC). This backs up what we have said before that the MAC and CUSA are the worst leagues. the SBC is 4 games over .500 and if you remove App State from the league it would be a .500 league when they play OOC. Or you could swap App for say Tulsa and the SBC would barely be above the CUSA. So with that info you can see why they are giving the AAC way more credit.

Do I agree with you? Yes. However, the committee is giving the AAC a lot of credit because of how they dominated the OOC play. So this means the SBC has to pick it up. ULL and App are good teams but we need 2-3 more teams like us who sweep the OOC or go 3-1 against OOC opponents. Otherwise if things stay the same in terms of talent on the field the SBC is going to be treated like a notch below the AAC and MWC.

[AppStFan1]

Would someone mind starting a new thread on how proud we are of App State bring ranked #21 in the CFP poll. So the real positive will be a real positive. I don't remember any posts back in August other than we would have to be 12-0 to make the NY6. We are 11-1 and just there knocking on the door. Very proud of those kids!

You do it

Can everyone not be proud of the team and irritated at the committee's unwillingness to show any backbone here? Cincinnati did not look like a Top 25 team last weekend, period. They haven't looked the part for 5 or 6 weeks now.

We are new to this thing and are #21. We have years ahead of us to get the benefit of the doubt like Boise State, Cincy, UCF, and Memphis are getting. I'm just glad to be #21 right now. If we win the next two games and then run the table next year we will be rated very high and have a legit shot at the NY6. The bottom line here is that we LOST to Georgia Southern and don't have a single top 25 win. Right now Memphis and Cincy both have a win over a team rated at the time. If the rest of the SBC outside of ULL does not improve their OOC play then we are just going to have to win by 30 every week and run the table. If we do that and still don't get in then we can complain.

[appstatealum]

Would someone mind starting a new thread on how proud we are of App State bring ranked #21 in the CFP poll. So the real positive will be a real positive. I don't remember any posts back in August other than we would have to be 12-0 to make the NY6. We are 11-1 and just there knocking on the door. Very proud of those kids!

You do it

Can everyone not be proud of the team and irritated at the committee's unwillingness to show any backbone here? Cincinnati did not look like a Top 25 team last weekend, period. They haven't looked the part for 5 or 6 weeks now.

We are new to this thing and are #21. We have years ahead of us to get the benefit of the doubt like Boise State, Cincy, UCF, and Memphis are getting. I'm just glad to be #21 right now. If we win the next two games and then run the table next year we will be rated very high and have a legit shot at the NY6. The bottom line here is that we LOST to Georgia Southern and don't have a single top 25 win. Right now Memphis and Cincy both have a win over a team rated at the time. If the rest of the SBC outside of ULL does not improve their OOC play then we are just going to have to win by 30 every week and run the table. If we do that and still don't get in then we can complain.

Agree. What makes it hard is that we really can justify being a Cotton Bowl team. I think losing Sutton makes us less of a dangerous team, but we show the ability to be a complete team on all three phases of the game. I do not see that same potential from the other G5’s, outside of Memphis. I think Memphis beats Cinci easily, so all this fuss isn’t justified as we would need Cinci to prove they were actually better than what we have seen.

I wanted to see this program take a step forward, and we did that. If we win the next two, we should be looking at a top 20 finish and that would get me pretty darn excited. Next year’s goal, #beatTheStink, win the SBC again, and be in contention for the NY6 again.

[AppStFan1]

Would someone mind starting a new thread on how proud we are of App State bring ranked #21 in the CFP poll. So the real positive will be a real positive. I don't remember any posts back in August other than we would have to be 12-0 to make the NY6. We are 11-1 and just there knocking on the door. Very proud of those kids!

You do it

Can everyone not be proud of the team and irritated at the committee's unwillingness to show any backbone here? Cincinnati did not look like a Top 25 team last weekend, period. They haven't looked the part for 5 or 6 weeks now.

We are new to this thing and are #21. We have years ahead of us to get the benefit of the doubt like Boise State, Cincy, UCF, and Memphis are getting. I'm just glad to be #21 right now. If we win the next two games and then run the table next year we will be rated very high and have a legit shot at the NY6. The bottom line here is that we LOST to Georgia Southern and don't have a single top 25 win. Right now Memphis and Cincy both have a win over a team rated at the time. If the rest of the SBC outside of ULL does not improve their OOC play then we are just going to have to win by 30 every week and run the table. If we do that and still don't get in then we can complain.

Agree. What makes it hard is that we really can justify being a Cotton Bowl team. I think losing Sutton makes us less of a dangerous team, but we show the ability to be a complete team on all three phases of the game. I do not see that same potential from the other G5’s, outside of Memphis. I think Memphis beats Cinci easily, so all this fuss isn’t justified as we would need Cinci to prove they were actually better than what we have seen.

I wanted to see this program take a step forward, and we did that. If we win the next two, we should be looking at a top 20 finish and that would get me pretty darn excited. Next year’s goal, #beatTheStink, win the SBC again, and be in contention for the NY6 again.

Exactly. We return enough of our team that those goals can happen. My goal next year is #14-0 by going #1-0 each week. All I'll care about is beating Morgan State once the bowl game is over. We need to ignore the polls until late November, go #1-0, and respect each opponent and ignore the outside noise. If our team and coaches do that then we can do something pretty special next year. We had a chance this year but blew it against the Stink. We have another shot next year. Let's finish 2019 strong and then support our school best we can to attain those goals. Yes, I said 14-0. I want to and expect to go up to Wisconsin and beat them. I know we can do it.

But first, #BeatLaLa #1-0 #N O T H I N G That's what Cajuns mean to me...Nothing...Absolutely nothing! WOO! WOO! WOO!