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[General Moore]

Ted Roof did our defensive guys wrong this year.
The stats are there to overwhelmingly prove it. End of story.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/sc ... /2018.html

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/sc ... /2019.html

"Overwhelming" is a bit much. Using those same stats this years team played a much tougher SOS(93 v. 110) but our SRS was better. We gave up more points this year, 62 to be exact which works out to 4.7 across 13 games. But we only scored 27 more points this year or 2.07 across 13 games. So yes statistically this years defense was not as dominant. Take away that Charlotte debacle and I bet the results are closer to last year. Let's also not gloss over the fact that Drink routinely refused to play offense in the second half of games forcing our defense into some precarious positions. Lastly this was year 1 in a new system with a new voice in the room and I think our guys played admirably. The defense isn't why we lost to GaSo but it is damn sure the reason we won quite a few games to include that game down in Chapel Hill, Columbia, and Lafayette. I know some here don't like the man but some of the things said are a bit much. No matter who our DC is next year they are going to have a wealth of talent to work with and we can do a lot worse than Roof.

The stats speak for themselves. No reason to try and override them with fodder.
Plain and simple, had roof adapted to our defensive schemes from last year instead of the other way around the defense would have been better. 11 guys had to learn his way instead of him learning thier way. Just stubbornness I think.
I'm not going to bash the guy but I would certainly prefer a different DC.
I agree that the D saved our butts at times this season but that was the pure heart and soul of the guys on the field making plays. The schemes and waaaaay to much prevent, nickle formation did nothing to help.
The end of the first half through the second half against the Cajuns was just terrible. Constant prevent D with very little pressure. We traded score after score with them so that was not an offense with the foot off the gas deal. The Cajuns just saw that we went into constant prevent after we got what roof/drink thought was a comfortable lead and they sliced right through us.
Again, not trying to bash the guy but simply making observational conversation about it.
I think that is what most of us that would like to see someone different are thinking. Just doesn't fit what App D has been the last many years.

[NavyApp]

Ted Roof did our defensive guys wrong this year.
The stats are there to overwhelmingly prove it. End of story.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/sc ... /2018.html

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/sc ... /2019.html

"Overwhelming" is a bit much. Using those same stats this years team played a much tougher SOS(93 v. 110) but our SRS was better. We gave up more points this year, 62 to be exact which works out to 4.7 across 13 games. But we only scored 27 more points this year or 2.07 across 13 games. So yes statistically this years defense was not as dominant. Take away that Charlotte debacle and I bet the results are closer to last year. Let's also not gloss over the fact that Drink routinely refused to play offense in the second half of games forcing our defense into some precarious positions. Lastly this was year 1 in a new system with a new voice in the room and I think our guys played admirably. The defense isn't why we lost to GaSo but it is damn sure the reason we won quite a few games to include that game down in Chapel Hill, Columbia, and Lafayette. I know some here don't like the man but some of the things said are a bit much. No matter who our DC is next year they are going to have a wealth of talent to work with and we can do a lot worse than Roof.

The stats speak for themselves. No reason to try and override them with fodder.
Plain and simple, had roof adapted to our defensive schemes from last year instead of the other way around the defense would have been better. 11 guys had to learn his way instead of him learning thier way. Just stubbornness I think.
I'm not going to bash the guy but I would certainly prefer a different DC.
I agree that the D saved our butts at times this season but that was the pure heart and soul of the guys on the field making plays. The schemes and waaaaay to much prevent, nickle formation did nothing to help.
The end of the first half through the second half against the Cajuns was just terrible. Constant prevent D with very little pressure. We traded score after score with them so that was not an offense with the foot off the gas deal. The Cajuns just saw that we went into constant prevent after we got what roof/drink thought was a comfortable lead and they sliced right through us.
Again, not trying to bash the guy but simply making observational conversation about it.
I think that is what most of us that would like to see someone different are thinking. Just doesn't fit what App D has been the last many years.

Let's just agree to disagree. I personally think with the circumstances Roof and Co. did a really good job. As to the championship game we averaged 58 yards a drive in the first half and 7.5 yards a drive in the second. It's hard to be aggressive on defense when you're always on the field and the offense is telling you they have no intentions to score or even stay on the the field. I believe the adage is "you can't make chicken salad out of chicken shit".

[NavyApp]

Also if a top 25 defense is a bad season I'm ok with that.

[Black Saturday]

Y'all fellows don't think that the state of Missouri's highest paid public employee had any role in making a decision on how Roof called the defense last game or the defenses this seasons? My view is that he was the head coach and seeing how he took the air out of the offense to preserve wins, I'd wager he did the same on loosening the D.

[appstatealum]

Ted Roof did our defensive guys wrong this year.
The stats are there to overwhelmingly prove it. End of story.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/sc ... /2018.html

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/sc ... /2019.html

The stats speak for themselves. No reason to try and override them with fodder.
Plain and simple, had roof adapted to our defensive schemes from last year instead of the other way around the defense would have been better. 11 guys had to learn his way instead of him learning thier way. Just stubbornness I think.
I'm not going to bash the guy but I would certainly prefer a different DC.
I agree that the D saved our butts at times this season but that was the pure heart and soul of the guys on the field making plays. The schemes and waaaaay to much prevent, nickle formation did nothing to help.
The end of the first half through the second half against the Cajuns was just terrible. Constant prevent D with very little pressure. We traded score after score with them so that was not an offense with the foot off the gas deal. The Cajuns just saw that we went into constant prevent after we got what roof/drink thought was a comfortable lead and they sliced right through us.
Again, not trying to bash the guy but simply making observational conversation about it.
I think that is what most of us that would like to see someone different are thinking. Just doesn't fit what App D has been the last many years.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Nailed it.

[ukappfan]

Ted Roof did our defensive guys wrong this year.
The stats are there to overwhelmingly prove it. End of story.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/sc ... /2018.html

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/sc ... /2019.html

"Overwhelming" is a bit much. Using those same stats this years team played a much tougher SOS(93 v. 110) but our SRS was better. We gave up more points this year, 62 to be exact which works out to 4.7 across 13 games. But we only scored 27 more points this year or 2.07 across 13 games. So yes statistically this years defense was not as dominant. Take away that Charlotte debacle and I bet the results are closer to last year. Let's also not gloss over the fact that Drink routinely refused to play offense in the second half of games forcing our defense into some precarious positions. Lastly this was year 1 in a new system with a new voice in the room and I think our guys played admirably. The defense isn't why we lost to GaSo but it is damn sure the reason we won quite a few games to include that game down in Chapel Hill, Columbia, and Lafayette. I know some here don't like the man but some of the things said are a bit much. No matter who our DC is next year they are going to have a wealth of talent to work with and we can do a lot worse than Roof.

The stats speak for themselves. No reason to try and override them with fodder.
Plain and simple, had roof adapted to our defensive schemes from last year instead of the other way around the defense would have been better. 11 guys had to learn his way instead of him learning thier way. Just stubbornness I think.
I'm not going to bash the guy but I would certainly prefer a different DC.
I agree that the D saved our butts at times this season but that was the pure heart and soul of the guys on the field making plays. The schemes and waaaaay to much prevent, nickle formation did nothing to help.
The end of the first half through the second half against the Cajuns was just terrible. Constant prevent D with very little pressure. We traded score after score with them so that was not an offense with the foot off the gas deal. The Cajuns just saw that we went into constant prevent after we got what roof/drink thought was a comfortable lead and they sliced right through us.
Again, not trying to bash the guy but simply making observational conversation about it.
I think that is what most of us that would like to see someone different are thinking. Just doesn't fit what App D has been the last many years.

This defense did such a bad job that it helped lead the team to a top 20 ranking, beat 2 P5 teams, and saved the teams butt several times to win the game..... after losing the top 2 corners in the league..... yup they were terrible. After the growing pains for the first few games they were pretty dominant.

[General Moore]

Ted Roof did our defensive guys wrong this year.
The stats are there to overwhelmingly prove it. End of story.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/sc ... /2018.html

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/sc ... /2019.html

"Overwhelming" is a bit much. Using those same stats this years team played a much tougher SOS(93 v. 110) but our SRS was better. We gave up more points this year, 62 to be exact which works out to 4.7 across 13 games. But we only scored 27 more points this year or 2.07 across 13 games. So yes statistically this years defense was not as dominant. Take away that Charlotte debacle and I bet the results are closer to last year. Let's also not gloss over the fact that Drink routinely refused to play offense in the second half of games forcing our defense into some precarious positions. Lastly this was year 1 in a new system with a new voice in the room and I think our guys played admirably. The defense isn't why we lost to GaSo but it is damn sure the reason we won quite a few games to include that game down in Chapel Hill, Columbia, and Lafayette. I know some here don't like the man but some of the things said are a bit much. No matter who our DC is next year they are going to have a wealth of talent to work with and we can do a lot worse than Roof.

The stats speak for themselves. No reason to try and override them with fodder.
Plain and simple, had roof adapted to our defensive schemes from last year instead of the other way around the defense would have been better. 11 guys had to learn his way instead of him learning thier way. Just stubbornness I think.
I'm not going to bash the guy but I would certainly prefer a different DC.
I agree that the D saved our butts at times this season but that was the pure heart and soul of the guys on the field making plays. The schemes and waaaaay to much prevent, nickle formation did nothing to help.
The end of the first half through the second half against the Cajuns was just terrible. Constant prevent D with very little pressure. We traded score after score with them so that was not an offense with the foot off the gas deal. The Cajuns just saw that we went into constant prevent after we got what roof/drink thought was a comfortable lead and they sliced right through us.
Again, not trying to bash the guy but simply making observational conversation about it.
I think that is what most of us that would like to see someone different are thinking. Just doesn't fit what App D has been the last many years.

This defense did such a bad job that it helped lead the team to a top 20 ranking, beat 2 P5 teams, and saved the teams butt several times to win the game..... after losing the top 2 corners in the league..... yup they were terrible. After the growing pains for the first few games they were pretty dominant.

Ok

[NattyBumppo'sRevenge]

I think both sides make good points, perhaps the answer lies somewhere in between. If he stays, we will likely find out if it were him or a result of the head coach strategy.

[ukappfan]

Drink is also to blame to an extent. He said several times he wanted his defense to go for the big play and turnover and was ok sacrificing a few yards and big plays.

[ericsaid]

We are about to learn the real story behind Ted Roof. If Drink takes him to Mizzou, he really believes in his ability to get the job done and we are free and clear. If he leaves him behind it means he knows he cannot get the job done, and it will be up to Coach Clark to move beyond him and choose an outstanding, young defensive coordinator to lead our excellent defensive talent into the future.

With DJ's departure, you have to assume Clark is reaching out to Dale Jones. Having on of Roof and Jones at either linebacker position as coaches would be pretty intense. Two qualified guys who had distinguished playing careers at the highest level themselves.

I personally believe Roof may be retained as DC so long as he doesn't go to Mizzou and I wouldn't have an issue with it. You have to wonder how much impact Eli had on the late game defensive scheme changes.

[ericsaid]

Ted Roof did our defensive guys wrong this year.
The stats are there to overwhelmingly prove it. End of story.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/sc ... /2018.html

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/sc ... /2019.html

"Overwhelming" is a bit much. Using those same stats this years team played a much tougher SOS(93 v. 110) but our SRS was better. We gave up more points this year, 62 to be exact which works out to 4.7 across 13 games. But we only scored 27 more points this year or 2.07 across 13 games. So yes statistically this years defense was not as dominant. Take away that Charlotte debacle and I bet the results are closer to last year. Let's also not gloss over the fact that Drink routinely refused to play offense in the second half of games forcing our defense into some precarious positions. Lastly this was year 1 in a new system with a new voice in the room and I think our guys played admirably. The defense isn't why we lost to GaSo but it is damn sure the reason we won quite a few games to include that game down in Chapel Hill, Columbia, and Lafayette. I know some here don't like the man but some of the things said are a bit much. No matter who our DC is next year they are going to have a wealth of talent to work with and we can do a lot worse than Roof.

The stats speak for themselves. No reason to try and override them with fodder.
Plain and simple, had roof adapted to our defensive schemes from last year instead of the other way around the defense would have been better. 11 guys had to learn his way instead of him learning thier way. Just stubbornness I think.
I'm not going to bash the guy but I would certainly prefer a different DC.
I agree that the D saved our butts at times this season but that was the pure heart and soul of the guys on the field making plays. The schemes and waaaaay to much prevent, nickle formation did nothing to help.
The end of the first half through the second half against the Cajuns was just terrible. Constant prevent D with very little pressure. We traded score after score with them so that was not an offense with the foot off the gas deal. The Cajuns just saw that we went into constant prevent after we got what roof/drink thought was a comfortable lead and they sliced right through us.
Again, not trying to bash the guy but simply making observational conversation about it.
I think that is what most of us that would like to see someone different are thinking. Just doesn't fit what App D has been the last many years.

This defense did such a bad job that it helped lead the team to a top 20 ranking, beat 2 P5 teams, and saved the teams butt several times to win the game..... after losing the top 2 corners in the league..... yup they were terrible. After the growing pains for the first few games they were pretty dominant.

Ok

21 yards rushing on 28 carries to an SEC team.

[WASU 93]

Ted Roof did our defensive guys wrong this year.
The stats are there to overwhelmingly prove it. End of story.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/sc ... /2018.html

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/sc ... /2019.html

"Overwhelming" is a bit much. Using those same stats this years team played a much tougher SOS(93 v. 110) but our SRS was better. We gave up more points this year, 62 to be exact which works out to 4.7 across 13 games. But we only scored 27 more points this year or 2.07 across 13 games. So yes statistically this years defense was not as dominant. Take away that Charlotte debacle and I bet the results are closer to last year. Let's also not gloss over the fact that Drink routinely refused to play offense in the second half of games forcing our defense into some precarious positions. Lastly this was year 1 in a new system with a new voice in the room and I think our guys played admirably. The defense isn't why we lost to GaSo but it is damn sure the reason we won quite a few games to include that game down in Chapel Hill, Columbia, and Lafayette. I know some here don't like the man but some of the things said are a bit much. No matter who our DC is next year they are going to have a wealth of talent to work with and we can do a lot worse than Roof.

The stats speak for themselves. No reason to try and override them with fodder.
Plain and simple, had roof adapted to our defensive schemes from last year instead of the other way around the defense would have been better. 11 guys had to learn his way instead of him learning thier way. Just stubbornness I think.
I'm not going to bash the guy but I would certainly prefer a different DC.
I agree that the D saved our butts at times this season but that was the pure heart and soul of the guys on the field making plays. The schemes and waaaaay to much prevent, nickle formation did nothing to help.
The end of the first half through the second half against the Cajuns was just terrible. Constant prevent D with very little pressure. We traded score after score with them so that was not an offense with the foot off the gas deal. The Cajuns just saw that we went into constant prevent after we got what roof/drink thought was a comfortable lead and they sliced right through us.
Again, not trying to bash the guy but simply making observational conversation about it.
I think that is what most of us that would like to see someone different are thinking. Just doesn't fit what App D has been the last many years.

Here are the stats for all to review:

What the stats don't take into play are the strength of the opponents year over year, personnel year over year, strength of the opponents offense year over year, coaching styles in the second half of games, ability of our offense to pick up second half first downs year over year etc. The biggest achilles heel in 2019 was the amount of 4th down conversions that we allowed, especially towards the end of games.

2018 stats listed first, 2019 stats listed second
3rd Down Defense #14 in FCS 31.7% allowed ///// #14 31.4%
4th Down Defense #1 in FCS 27.3% allowed ///// #89 56.5%
Defensive TD's #47 2 TD's ///// Tied for #2 5 TD's
First Downs Allowed #7 in FCS 208 allowed ///// #44 238
Interceptions #11 17 Interceptions ///// Tied for #19 13 Ints.
Fumbles Recovered tied for #96 6 recoveries ///// tied for #49 8 recoveries
Red Zone Defense #36 80% scores allowed ///// #73 83.9 scores allowed
Rushing Defense #21 125.9 ypg ///// #37 136.2 ypg
Passing Defense #5 162.1 ypg ///// #30 199.7 ypg
Passing Defense Efficiency #3 102.27 ///// #18 114.6
Scoring Defense #4 15.5 ppg ///// #22 20.2 ppg
Sacks #63 2.15 per game ///// Tied for #57 2.31 per game
Tackles For Loss tied for #43 6.6 per game ///// #60 6.1 per game
Turnover Margin #30 +6 ///// #8 +12
Total Defense #6 288.0 ///// #26 335.9
Winning Percentage tied for 8th 84.6% ///// tied for 4th 92.3%

[Appstate88]

+12 in turnover margin = 2 thumbs up

[Yosef84]

Ted Roof did our defensive guys wrong this year.
The stats are there to overwhelmingly prove it. End of story.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/sc ... /2018.html

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/sc ... /2019.html

"Overwhelming" is a bit much. Using those same stats this years team played a much tougher SOS(93 v. 110) but our SRS was better. We gave up more points this year, 62 to be exact which works out to 4.7 across 13 games. But we only scored 27 more points this year or 2.07 across 13 games. So yes statistically this years defense was not as dominant. Take away that Charlotte debacle and I bet the results are closer to last year. Let's also not gloss over the fact that Drink routinely refused to play offense in the second half of games forcing our defense into some precarious positions. Lastly this was year 1 in a new system with a new voice in the room and I think our guys played admirably. The defense isn't why we lost to GaSo but it is damn sure the reason we won quite a few games to include that game down in Chapel Hill, Columbia, and Lafayette. I know some here don't like the man but some of the things said are a bit much. No matter who our DC is next year they are going to have a wealth of talent to work with and we can do a lot worse than Roof.

The stats speak for themselves. No reason to try and override them with fodder.
Plain and simple, had roof adapted to our defensive schemes from last year instead of the other way around the defense would have been better. 11 guys had to learn his way instead of him learning thier way. Just stubbornness I think.
I'm not going to bash the guy but I would certainly prefer a different DC.
I agree that the D saved our butts at times this season but that was the pure heart and soul of the guys on the field making plays. The schemes and waaaaay to much prevent, nickle formation did nothing to help.
The end of the first half through the second half against the Cajuns was just terrible. Constant prevent D with very little pressure. We traded score after score with them so that was not an offense with the foot off the gas deal. The Cajuns just saw that we went into constant prevent after we got what roof/drink thought was a comfortable lead and they sliced right through us.
Again, not trying to bash the guy but simply making observational conversation about it.
I think that is what most of us that would like to see someone different are thinking. Just doesn't fit what App D has been the last many years.

The above statement is incorrect. Stats NEVER speak for themselves. They are metrics and in order for them to be meaningful, they have to be interpreted in context. In this case, the trending throughout the year would be an important piece of data that isn't present. The 2019 Defense started out poorly, we all know that. Part of that was the changes to the system and part was the fact we lost 5 starters from last year's team. Any time you have 45% attrition, there's going to be an impact. By the 3rd game, the D was showing significant improvement and was primarily responsible for some of those wins in our 12-1 season when our high powered offense sputtered. Last year's offense was significantly heavier on the run which puts less stress on the D because it consumes the clock. We did that at the end of games this year but not throughout.

I'm really not trying to convince you of anything because you've clearly made up your mind and have no desire for discussion, however a statement isn't factual just because you state it emphatically.

[AppStFan1]

"Overwhelming" is a bit much. Using those same stats this years team played a much tougher SOS(93 v. 110) but our SRS was better. We gave up more points this year, 62 to be exact which works out to 4.7 across 13 games. But we only scored 27 more points this year or 2.07 across 13 games. So yes statistically this years defense was not as dominant. Take away that Charlotte debacle and I bet the results are closer to last year. Let's also not gloss over the fact that Drink routinely refused to play offense in the second half of games forcing our defense into some precarious positions. Lastly this was year 1 in a new system with a new voice in the room and I think our guys played admirably. The defense isn't why we lost to GaSo but it is damn sure the reason we won quite a few games to include that game down in Chapel Hill, Columbia, and Lafayette. I know some here don't like the man but some of the things said are a bit much. No matter who our DC is next year they are going to have a wealth of talent to work with and we can do a lot worse than Roof.

The stats speak for themselves. No reason to try and override them with fodder.
Plain and simple, had roof adapted to our defensive schemes from last year instead of the other way around the defense would have been better. 11 guys had to learn his way instead of him learning thier way. Just stubbornness I think.
I'm not going to bash the guy but I would certainly prefer a different DC.
I agree that the D saved our butts at times this season but that was the pure heart and soul of the guys on the field making plays. The schemes and waaaaay to much prevent, nickle formation did nothing to help.
The end of the first half through the second half against the Cajuns was just terrible. Constant prevent D with very little pressure. We traded score after score with them so that was not an offense with the foot off the gas deal. The Cajuns just saw that we went into constant prevent after we got what roof/drink thought was a comfortable lead and they sliced right through us.
Again, not trying to bash the guy but simply making observational conversation about it.
I think that is what most of us that would like to see someone different are thinking. Just doesn't fit what App D has been the last many years.

This defense did such a bad job that it helped lead the team to a top 20 ranking, beat 2 P5 teams, and saved the teams butt several times to win the game..... after losing the top 2 corners in the league..... yup they were terrible. After the growing pains for the first few games they were pretty dominant.

Ok

21 yards rushing on 28 carries to an SEC team.

The inept playcalling by South Carolina, our team speed, and the fact that South Carolina has an awful OL are the big reasons why for that. I always say coaches have to put players into position but that does not happen without having great speed and a defense that is very angry. Our staff had a great gameplan and had found things they felt they could exploit. I am actually disappointed in our offensive gameplan because we should have put up more than 20 points on them. Our play calls in the 2nd half were just awful. It was like we just wanted to escape with a win and were not trying to put the game away.

[Mjohn1988]

The turnover margin and the D scoring are huge. Without the defensive scores we lose both P5 games. The defensive scores sparked the offense in the UNCC game and at G State. We also won the conference championship game by 7 with a defensive score. I think we could have won UNCC, G State and the conference championship without the D scoring but it sure did help. The 2019 D hasn’t been as dominant as the 2018 D but they won both P5 games, absolutely no question about that.

[Cro-Magnon App]

Yep. Got to keep in in context. It all fits together. Stats can mislead. I've heard it a thousand times - "Stats are for losers." Who said it first, Lombardi or Belichek or Van Brocklin or somebody.

Only one stat matters = 12-1.

[appstate24]

Can anyone confirm, because I have heard both sides.

Are the coaches that are departing sticking around for bowl game? GO APPS!!

[T-Dog]

Drink is also to blame to an extent. He said several times he wanted his defense to go for the big play and turnover and was ok sacrificing a few yards and big plays.

This is also a big key. Drink preached "take the ball, take their life" and saw yards given up as a useless stat.

So those bringing up total defensive stat metrics are using an argument the head coach himself didn't care about. He cared about red zone defense and turnovers on defense.

[JMappfan5]

Can anyone confirm, because I have heard both sides.

Are the coaches that are departing sticking around for bowl game? GO APPS!!

Unlike last year, Coach Drink has told all Coaches to stay through the Bowl game!