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Re: Brice to App

Unread post by wncapp78 » Sun Dec 27, 2020 12:20 am

Would Huesman consider staying? Would he vie for the start? I watched the GA State game again today and was impressed with his poise off the bench. I feel like his third down completion to #5 saved the game. And he started & won at coastal last year.

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Re: Brice to App

Unread post by hapapp » Sun Dec 27, 2020 6:49 am

After watching the game last night, you understand the importance of having a mobile QB that provides that double threat. That's what sets teams like Cincy, Coastal, Liberty, and UL apart the rest of the G5. I'm not unhappy with the decision to bring in Brice but we're not moving in that direction.

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Re: Brice to App

Unread post by AppState89 » Sun Dec 27, 2020 7:57 am

wncapp78 wrote:
Sun Dec 27, 2020 12:20 am
Would Huesman consider staying? Would he vie for the start? I watched the GA State game again today and was impressed with his poise off the bench. I feel like his third down completion to #5 saved the game. And he started & won at coastal last year.
It would be awesome if he would come back, but he has already secured a job and will start his next chapter of his life in January.
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Re: Brice to App

Unread post by Yosef10 » Sun Dec 27, 2020 9:09 am

hapapp wrote:
Sun Dec 27, 2020 6:49 am
After watching the game last night, you understand the importance of having a mobile QB that provides that double threat. That's what sets teams like Cincy, Coastal, Liberty, and UL apart the rest of the G5. I'm not unhappy with the decision to bring in Brice but we're not moving in that direction.
It’s why I’m hoping Goodman is the guy over Tabscott. App seems hesitant to play the style of offense all of football is trending towards. Which is ironic considering the offense from about 05-13.

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Re: Brice to App

Unread post by NavyApp » Sun Dec 27, 2020 9:29 am

Yosef10 wrote:
Sun Dec 27, 2020 9:09 am
hapapp wrote:
Sun Dec 27, 2020 6:49 am
After watching the game last night, you understand the importance of having a mobile QB that provides that double threat. That's what sets teams like Cincy, Coastal, Liberty, and UL apart the rest of the G5. I'm not unhappy with the decision to bring in Brice but we're not moving in that direction.
It’s why I’m hoping Goodman is the guy over Tabscott. App seems hesitant to play the style of offense all of football is trending towards. Which is ironic considering the offense from about 05-13.
Since 2017 our QB1 has ran for: 584, 504, 440, and 312. QB1 has ran at least 75 times since 2017, 3 out those 4 years our QB has eclipsed 90 carries. So the QB run game has been and most likely will continue to be a large part of our offense.

I agree though, I would love to have an effective dual threat QB just due to the pressure it puts on the defense. Also Tabscott has run a 4.7 40, while not blazing that could be enough to be an effective runner. Goodman's highlights are tantalizing, and bring to mind a certain someone. Either way I'm excited for the battle for QB1 because this is unprecedented talent in the QB room. Really excited to see who shows up in January.
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Re: Brice to App

Unread post by kornegaylw » Sun Dec 27, 2020 10:01 am

hapapp wrote:
Sun Dec 27, 2020 6:49 am
After watching the game last night, you understand the importance of having a mobile QB that provides that double threat. That's what sets teams like Cincy, Coastal, Liberty, and UL apart the rest of the G5. I'm not unhappy with the decision to bring in Brice but we're not moving in that direction.
Have you watched Brices highlights from Clemson? He is very athletic and mobile...not as light and quick footed as AE or ZT but he can move and scramble. He is more like Ben Roethlisberger than Lamar Jackaon.

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Re: Brice to App

Unread post by AppDub » Sun Dec 27, 2020 10:03 am

NavyApp wrote:
Sun Dec 27, 2020 9:29 am
Yosef10 wrote:
Sun Dec 27, 2020 9:09 am
hapapp wrote:
Sun Dec 27, 2020 6:49 am
After watching the game last night, you understand the importance of having a mobile QB that provides that double threat. That's what sets teams like Cincy, Coastal, Liberty, and UL apart the rest of the G5. I'm not unhappy with the decision to bring in Brice but we're not moving in that direction.
It’s why I’m hoping Goodman is the guy over Tabscott. App seems hesitant to play the style of offense all of football is trending towards. Which is ironic considering the offense from about 05-13.
Since 2017 our QB1 has ran for: 584, 504, 440, and 312. QB1 has ran at least 75 times since 2017, 3 out those 4 years our QB has eclipsed 90 carries. So the QB run game has been and most likely will continue to be a large part of our offense.

I agree though, I would love to have an effective dual threat QB just due to the pressure it puts on the defense. Also Tabscott has run a 4.7 40, while not blazing that could be enough to be an effective runner. Goodman's highlights are tantalizing, and bring to mind a certain someone. Either way I'm excited for the battle for QB1 because this is unprecedented talent in the QB room. Really excited to see who shows up in January.
Watching Brice's film, he doesn't run like a lumbering 6'3" 230 lb. QB. He moves pretty good for a big guy and while not shifty can break some tackles. Either way it works out, I think we are in good shape.

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Re: Brice to App

Unread post by EastHallApp » Sun Dec 27, 2020 10:30 am

Yosef10 wrote:
Sun Dec 27, 2020 9:09 am
hapapp wrote:
Sun Dec 27, 2020 6:49 am
After watching the game last night, you understand the importance of having a mobile QB that provides that double threat. That's what sets teams like Cincy, Coastal, Liberty, and UL apart the rest of the G5. I'm not unhappy with the decision to bring in Brice but we're not moving in that direction.
It’s why I’m hoping Goodman is the guy over Tabscott. App seems hesitant to play the style of offense all of football is trending towards. Which is ironic considering the offense from about 05-13.
Well, I’m not sure it’s that simple. As Navy pointed out, we have had mobile QBs pretty much forever, which as you say, is the norm in football today. If you’re hoping for like a truly game-breaking runner at QB, that’s fine but I don’t think that’s nearly as widespread. Joe Burrow, Mac Jones, Baker Mayfield, Tua, even Lawrence... varying degrees of athleticism, but all much more passers than runners.

If you’re wanting to move to more of a pass-heavy offense but also wanting like a thousand yard rusher at QB... well, nice to have if you can find one.

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Re: Brice to App

Unread post by ukappfan » Sun Dec 27, 2020 10:43 am

The problem now is like everyone has said, more schools are going to the dual threat running QB. So any QB out of high school that is big and can run and pass well is going to go P5 now.

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Unread post by Rick83 » Sun Dec 27, 2020 10:54 am

I think I've seen that Brice is enrolling for this Spring and also Tabscott. Is Goodman going to be here for the Spring also? Spring camp is going to be interesting in the QB room...
Also, I assume Spring practice will be delayed as long as possible to allow distribution of the vaccines? Has anyone heard anything about that?

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Re: Brice to App

Unread post by hapapp » Sun Dec 27, 2020 11:36 am

EastHallApp wrote:
Sun Dec 27, 2020 10:30 am
Yosef10 wrote:
Sun Dec 27, 2020 9:09 am
hapapp wrote:
Sun Dec 27, 2020 6:49 am
After watching the game last night, you understand the importance of having a mobile QB that provides that double threat. That's what sets teams like Cincy, Coastal, Liberty, and UL apart the rest of the G5. I'm not unhappy with the decision to bring in Brice but we're not moving in that direction.
It’s why I’m hoping Goodman is the guy over Tabscott. App seems hesitant to play the style of offense all of football is trending towards. Which is ironic considering the offense from about 05-13.
Well, I’m not sure it’s that simple. As Navy pointed out, we have had mobile QBs pretty much forever, which as you say, is the norm in football today. If you’re hoping for like a truly game-breaking runner at QB, that’s fine but I don’t think that’s nearly as widespread. Joe Burrow, Mac Jones, Baker Mayfield, Tua, even Lawrence... varying degrees of athleticism, but all much more passers than runners.

If you’re wanting to move to more of a pass-heavy offense but also wanting like a thousand yard rusher at QB... well, nice to have if you can find one.
I simply pointed out that the among some of the most successful G5 teams this year, they had mobile QBs. Certainly never implied that Zac was a traditional drop back passer. He has proven that he can hurt teams with his running ability on occasion but he averaged 5.5 yds a carry in 2018, 4.2 in 2019, and 3.5 this year. Clearly his running ability diminished throughout his career. Not a criticism, as I'm sure the wear and tear takes its toll.

I think the major difference between Zac and the QBs on those teams mentioned is that most of his successful runs came off the scramble not designed plays. Though his called QB draw v. StAte was a thing of beauty. My point was are we moving further away from that kind of QB to a more traditional drop back passer. I've seen the film of Brice at Clemson and he isn't an immobile lumbering type, but I wouldn't think he runs unless forced to.

Again, I'm not suggesting that bringing in Brice is a mistake, just providing the observation that he seems to be somewhat different from what he had in our last several QBs. He may be exactly what our offense needs.

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Re: Brice to App

Unread post by AppOrange » Sun Dec 27, 2020 11:46 am

ukappfan wrote:
Sun Dec 27, 2020 10:43 am
The problem now is like everyone has said, more schools are going to the dual threat running QB. So any QB out of high school that is big and can run and pass well is going to go P5 now.
Well you have to find the ones the P5 didn't. Grayson McCall for example . . . Ran the triple option in HS, but can also throw the ball very effectively. Someone saw something and they got a good one for doing their homework.
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Re: Brice to App

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AppOrange wrote:
Sun Dec 27, 2020 11:46 am
ukappfan wrote:
Sun Dec 27, 2020 10:43 am
The problem now is like everyone has said, more schools are going to the dual threat running QB. So any QB out of high school that is big and can run and pass well is going to go P5 now.
Well you have to find the ones the P5 didn't. Grayson McCall for example . . . Ran the triple option in HS, but can also throw the ball very effectively. Someone saw something and they got a good one for doing their homework.
Clark wanted him. Eli didn’t.

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Re: Brice to App

Unread post by AppOrange » Sun Dec 27, 2020 12:34 pm

AppSt94 wrote:
Sun Dec 27, 2020 12:29 pm
AppOrange wrote:
Sun Dec 27, 2020 11:46 am
ukappfan wrote:
Sun Dec 27, 2020 10:43 am
The problem now is like everyone has said, more schools are going to the dual threat running QB. So any QB out of high school that is big and can run and pass well is going to go P5 now.
Well you have to find the ones the P5 didn't. Grayson McCall for example . . . Ran the triple option in HS, but can also throw the ball very effectively. Someone saw something and they got a good one for doing their homework.
Clark wanted him. Eli didn’t.
Gotcha, but my point was they are out there if you can find them, the P5 doesn't get them all
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Re: Brice to App

Unread post by Yosef10 » Sun Dec 27, 2020 12:41 pm

EastHallApp wrote:
Sun Dec 27, 2020 10:30 am
Yosef10 wrote:
Sun Dec 27, 2020 9:09 am
hapapp wrote:
Sun Dec 27, 2020 6:49 am
After watching the game last night, you understand the importance of having a mobile QB that provides that double threat. That's what sets teams like Cincy, Coastal, Liberty, and UL apart the rest of the G5. I'm not unhappy with the decision to bring in Brice but we're not moving in that direction.
It’s why I’m hoping Goodman is the guy over Tabscott. App seems hesitant to play the style of offense all of football is trending towards. Which is ironic considering the offense from about 05-13.
Well, I’m not sure it’s that simple. As Navy pointed out, we have had mobile QBs pretty much forever, which as you say, is the norm in football today. If you’re hoping for like a truly game-breaking runner at QB, that’s fine but I don’t think that’s nearly as widespread. Joe Burrow, Mac Jones, Baker Mayfield, Tua, even Lawrence... varying degrees of athleticism, but all much more passers than runners.

If you’re wanting to move to more of a pass-heavy offense but also wanting like a thousand yard rusher at QB... well, nice to have if you can find one.
Never said anything about a 1000 yard rusher at QB. It’s about putting the defense in conflict scenarios. We had a QB we could have done that with this year, and we didn’t too often. Good luck getting a Mac Jones, Joe Burrow, Tua, Baker Mayfield arm talent at App. Which is basically my entire point about having a QB who is effective with his legs.

It’s also not about having a “pass heavy” offense, it’s about being dynamic and explosive when you do throw. We were 59th in YPA this season, any notable G5 this season was well above that with the exception of ULL. And i don’t really envy ULLs offense.

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Re: Brice to App

Unread post by Woodstovegang » Mon Dec 28, 2020 7:39 pm

I just hope we can protect whomever is QB next year. We have unknowns on the OL
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Unread post by WVAPPeer » Mon Dec 28, 2020 7:53 pm

We'll have 3 starters back - Hodges, Hunter and Hardy who started the last 2 games I think but played all year - TEs and H Backs are back as well ---
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Unread post by AppSt94 » Mon Dec 28, 2020 8:08 pm

WVAPPeer wrote:
Mon Dec 28, 2020 7:53 pm
We'll have 3 starters back - Hodges, Hunter and Hardy who started the last 2 games I think but played all year - TEs and H Backs are back as well ---
Daly played some significant snaps as well.

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Unread post by roachgone » Mon Dec 28, 2020 10:53 pm

Has Ran for —- yards, please
guys. Not a grammar guru but it is — has Run.

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Re: Brice to App

Unread post by EastHallApp » Tue Dec 29, 2020 1:15 am

WVAPPeer wrote:
Mon Dec 28, 2020 7:53 pm
We'll have 3 starters back - Hodges, Hunter and Hardy who started the last 2 games I think but played all year - TEs and H Backs are back as well ---
Three starters and a bunch of 3rd and 4th year guys who have played as backups. We should be fine on OL.

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