Jackson is not the answer

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Re: Jackson is not the answer

Unread post by ASU-FTW » Tue Sep 03, 2013 12:25 pm

Ideally, I think both QBs should get significant playing time this Saturday. I want Jamal to start the game to get more experience against a weaker opponent. The only way he is going to improve and get comfortable again is through in-game game experience and success. This weekend is a great opportunity for both.

I do believe Kam is the future and will be our starting QB next year. Since we are in a lame duck season I want him to get as many snaps as possible. Hopefully, Jamal gets us out to a comfortable lead in the first half. After that, Kam can take the reigns in the second.

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Re: Jackson is not the answer

Unread post by Yosef84 » Tue Sep 03, 2013 12:55 pm

Just my opinion, but I think it's a bit early to write Jamal off. I posted during the game that he looked out of synch, but it was one game. It has been said that he took a hit that could have injured / dazed him. I hope that, if that's the case, he is ok. My concern coming into this season was that JLJ had to sit out of Spring Practice. He really didn't start working with the team until Fall camp. The coach's comments about his performance have generally been that he was been "improving every day" which might imply there was some rust to be knocked off.

A&T should be a great opportunity for JLJ to get some reps and build some confidence. I hope to see the All-Star that we expected during this past off-season. I would wager he is busting his butt to show us just exactly how much of a fluke last week was.

I'm glad to see Bryant getting some respect. I think he got discounted in most conversations this past year. I don't know if he is the "future" or not, but I do think he is a solid player and I'm glad he's on our side.

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Re: Jackson is not the answer

Unread post by AppSt94 » Tue Sep 03, 2013 1:21 pm

ASUPATCH wrote:Bryant had two turnovers in limited action......what a quarter and a half? Did he show flashes yes, But he made some costly mistakes. Int gave Montana good field position for a score and he fumbled while we were in the red zone. Could have been a 21 point swing. An argument could be made that Bryant lost us the game. Who knows?
If you are going to point out the bad that occurred when KB was in the game then let's talk about the things not in the stat sheet. Yes KB fumbled but did you see the hit that knocked the ball loose? The defensive player made a play and I doubt there are many people that would hold on to the ball. the INT is on him and it is a teachable mistake. KB engineered 2 of the 3 longest drives of the game. (10 and 7 plays). The average yards per play were double with KB in the game. You can make an argument that KB lost the game, but in my opinion, your would be wrong.

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Re: Jackson is not the answer

Unread post by AppState89 » Tue Sep 03, 2013 5:47 pm

AppSt94 wrote:
ASUPATCH wrote:Bryant had two turnovers in limited action......what a quarter and a half? Did he show flashes yes, But he made some costly mistakes. Int gave Montana good field position for a score and he fumbled while we were in the red zone. Could have been a 21 point swing. An argument could be made that Bryant lost us the game. Who knows?
If you are going to point out the bad that occurred when KB was in the game then let's talk about the things not in the stat sheet. Yes KB fumbled but did you see the hit that knocked the ball loose? The defensive player made a play and I doubt there are many people that would hold on to the ball. the INT is on him and it is a teachable mistake. KB engineered 2 of the 3 longest drives of the game. (10 and 7 plays). The average yards per play were double with KB in the game. You can make an argument that KB lost the game, but in my opinion, your would be wrong.
I agree about the hit. It was a HARD hit and I bet it would have been knocked out of AE's hands too.
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Re: Jackson is not the answer

Unread post by B&G » Tue Sep 03, 2013 8:23 pm

I'm not in the "too early to tell" camp. I have seen all I need to form my opinion. JJ does not seem to thrive in the face of adversity. A bird doesn't change its feathers friends.

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Re: Jackson is not the answer

Unread post by Mtneer » Tue Sep 03, 2013 9:00 pm

Jamal is a senior - he shouldn't need spring practice to knock the rust off for opening week in late August. He knows the play book. This was not his first start. He's performed well in big games before and arguably this was one of our two biggest games of the year (Stink). In other words, he should have been ready. On the other hand, we don't really know if he's 100% after the surgery. I don't think he was scared but if he was worried about the knee it could explain his happy feet. Whatever the problem is I don't think we'll get the answers we're looking for in the month of September. Even though it starts with the O-line, the QB, whomever that may be, is the key to "Always Attack". We can't afford another version of "Always Under Attack" until Athens.

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Unread post by asumike83 » Wed Sep 04, 2013 9:22 am

B&G wrote:I'm not in the "too early to tell" camp. I have seen all I need to form my opinion. JJ does not seem to thrive in the face of adversity. A bird doesn't change its feathers friends.
I disagree. After injuring his knee at Western, Jamal put off surgery and led the team to wins over Georgia Southern and Furman on one good leg to clinch a share of the SoCon.

The team did not win in the playoffs but certainly not because of Jamal. He was 33-45 (73% completion) for 373 yards, 2 TD-1 INT, another TD rushing. Had the secondary not gotten picked apart for 5 passing touchdowns, App is in the quarterfinals. 37 points should be enough to win at home every time.

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Unread post by B&G » Wed Sep 04, 2013 10:05 am

So then he is just wildly inconsistent? Yep, that's much better.

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Unread post by Maddog1956 » Wed Sep 04, 2013 10:15 am

Mtneer wrote:Jamal is a senior - he shouldn't need spring practice to knock the rust off for opening week in late August. He knows the play book. This was not his first start. He's performed well in big games before and arguably this was one of our two biggest games of the year (Stink). In other words, he should have been ready. On the other hand, we don't really know if he's 100% after the surgery. I don't think he was scared but if he was worried about the knee it could explain his happy feet. Whatever the problem is I don't think we'll get the answers we're looking for in the month of September. Even though it starts with the O-line, the QB, whomever that may be, is the key to "Always Attack". We can't afford another version of "Always Under Attack" until Athens.
Everyone needs springs practice to learn to work as a team. This isn't a pro sport where the majority of the team has been together for years. Rust gets all players.

Besides that the team wasn't ready, not just JLJ. Look at the missed tackles, dropped passes, etc. Even coach Satt said there were just a lot of misses.
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Re: Jackson is not the answer

Unread post by ASUPATCH » Wed Sep 04, 2013 11:32 am

Would far prefer to go 8-4 with Jamal than 6-6 with KB. At this point it is all about recruiting. We have Lamb and the Miami kid and Mallard Creek kid coming in next year. KB may not even be on the two deep at QB next year. But kids we are recruiting currently don't want to go to a 6-6 team. Plus KB has turnover issues. People keep saying they think anyone would fumble after the hit he took. Most QB's wont take that hit as it was 10 yards past the first down. Slide or get out of bounds and live to play another play. Just a another bad decision. JJ did look rough. But he still give us our best chance to win right now.
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Unread post by ASUMountaineer » Wed Sep 04, 2013 12:09 pm

B&G wrote:So then he is just wildly inconsistent? Yep, that's much better.
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Re: Jackson is not the answer

Unread post by Boone Goon » Wed Sep 04, 2013 12:22 pm

ASUPATCH wrote:Would far prefer to go 8-4 with Jamal than 6-6 with KB. At this point it is all about recruiting. We have Lamb and the Miami kid and Mallard Creek kid coming in next year. KB may not even be on the two deep at QB next year. But kids we are recruiting currently don't want to go to a 6-6 team. Plus KB has turnover issues. People keep saying they think anyone would fumble after the hit he took. Most QB's wont take that hit as it was 10 yards past the first down. Slide or get out of bounds and live to play another play. Just a another bad decision. JJ did look rough. But he still give us our best chance to win right now.
You guys kill me! You watch a player in for 4 series and you diagnose his skills (past, present and future). You haven't even seen "Lamb and the Miami Kid and Mallard Creek kid" in live action and you've decided they're going to leap the first player. Come on!

8-4? Seriously? 6-6?? We could start your mother as our QB and go 6-6! For that matter we could probably go 6-6 if we played 10 v 11 on offense!

As for recruiting, I think we can all agree Satterfield has a strong plan in place to get us higher level talent. He's proven this over the past two summers. Let's give him more than 1 game to prove if he's the great coach we all thought he would be. I for one am going to give him a full season before I pounce on him and his team.

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Unread post by B&G » Wed Sep 04, 2013 3:45 pm

ASUMountaineer wrote:
B&G wrote:So then he is just wildly inconsistent? Yep, that's much better.
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No, I just haven't posted much since moving from Delphi.

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Unread post by fjblair » Wed Sep 04, 2013 6:23 pm

Mtneer wrote:Jamal is a senior - he shouldn't need spring practice to knock the rust off for opening week in late August. He knows the play book. This was not his first start. He's performed well in big games before and arguably this was one of our two biggest games of the year (Stink). In other words, he should have been ready. On the other hand, we don't really know if he's 100% after the surgery. I don't think he was scared but if he was worried about the knee it could explain his happy feet. Whatever the problem is I don't think we'll get the answers we're looking for in the month of September. Even though it starts with the O-line, the QB, whomever that may be, is the key to "Always Attack". We can't afford another version of "Always Under Attack" until Athens.
That's what I was thinking. He is a senior and doesn't need weaker opponents to help with his confidence and skills or whatever. He had a bad game and hopefully will bounce back.

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Re: Jackson is not the answer

Unread post by Mtneer » Wed Sep 04, 2013 9:37 pm

I didn't see any rust dressed in maroon and they used a QB who did not see the field the entire last season. We put 10 players on the offensive side of the ball that were starters a year ago - I can't remember the last time we had that many returning starters, if ever. We're used to winning a high percentage of games when opponents put up 30 because of our explosive offense. I honestly thought we would have that kind of firepower again this year, even against stiff competition. Time will tell. We have good athletes but we weren't prepared mentally for this game. We know Jamal can play. He'll get better unless the injury is really the problem. We'll know what we have in the next few weeks. We should win the next three but Charleston Southern may not be the cake walk we thought in preseason. Glad that one is at The Rock!

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Re: Jackson is not the answer

Unread post by ASUMountaineer » Thu Sep 05, 2013 7:14 am

B&G wrote:
ASUMountaineer wrote:
B&G wrote:So then he is just wildly inconsistent? Yep, that's much better.
Troll-lol-lol-lol.
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I was speaking to the content of the posts.
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Re: Jackson is not the answer

Unread post by AppGrad1 » Thu Sep 05, 2013 9:41 am

We have looked pretty good on paper and preseason rankings for several years now. The playoffs tell us really how good we are. Not the southern con.How's that worked out the last 5 or so years? When we meet stiff competition we are just not built right for success lately... Jmo

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Re: Jackson is not the answer

Unread post by ASUGoose » Thu Sep 05, 2013 10:29 am

Jamal is the better QB when healthy and the Montana game clearly shows he isn't anywhere close to 100% especially with this new pinch nerve injury as well. Play KB for the next 2 games which gives Jamal some rest and rehab to get his knee to 100% for the next 3 weeks (includes bye week). Bring Jamal back for the Charleston Southern game as a warm-up prior to hitting the stretch of conference games and payback for the Citadel fiasco last year.

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Re: Jackson is not the answer

Unread post by asutrnr81 » Thu Sep 05, 2013 5:49 pm

appbio91 wrote:JLJ is a great kid and a good leader but he can not will a team to victory.
He certainly did last year at the number 1 ranked Georgia Southern!
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Unread post by asutrnr81 » Thu Sep 05, 2013 6:03 pm

Mtneer wrote:I didn't see any rust dressed in maroon and they used a QB who did not see the field the entire last season.
...and they run an entirely different kind of offense than us....and one that timing is not as delicate!
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