BeauFoster wrote:No, because you're throwing the baby out with the bath water. Two games and you're done. I suppose you could do better, Chris?APPSTATE-H3 wrote:Because I have a different opinion than you. Thanks.
I know it's only two games in, but, I'm starting to have serious concerns over hiring Satterfield as the HC. With the returning starters we have on offense there is no excuse for losing to A&T, none. I'm beginning to wonder if there's something going on behind the scenes we are unaware of. Just my two cents.asu1978 wrote:Children,Children,calm down.Yes we have problems,but lets not turn on each other.The play I saw in the last quarter gives me some hope of a rebuilding season.We aren't the can'tamounts,yet.Let's encourage Kam & the rest of the team.
There is something going on but most refuse to see it. It's called karma. I have nothing against Satt and think he's the coach for our future. I was and am in favor of the move up. Who wants to spend a beautiful Saturday watching a lousy team like Lenoir Rhyne get beat by 50? However, the coach who led us to 3 national titles and what, 10 of the last 11 conference titles, and did more for making men out of a bunch of college kids than any other coach I know anything about, was not allowed to coach another year even though he wanted to do so. Like Corey Lynch said, I am embarrassed for ASU.WataugaMan wrote:I know it's only two games in, but, I'm starting to have serious concerns over hiring Satterfield as the HC. With the returning starters we have on offense there is no excuse for losing to A&T, none. I'm beginning to wonder if there's something going on behind the scenes we are unaware of. Just my two cents.asu1978 wrote:Children,Children,calm down.Yes we have problems,but lets not turn on each other.The play I saw in the last quarter gives me some hope of a rebuilding season.We aren't the can'tamounts,yet.Let's encourage Kam & the rest of the team.
The bottom line thus far for 2013:WataugaMan wrote:Coach Moore was not the man to lead us into FBS. Then again, I'm beginning to have doubts about the new guy too. If you can't even win a game against average FCS competition, heaven help you once you are FBS.
Good points, maybe CC can hire me and you to Coach.WataugaMan wrote:"Also, missing a large target on the receiving corps hurts in not being able to sustain drives."
That large target would not have made a difference. Speaking of the OL, were we or were we not bigger than A&Ts DL? I don't believe the size disparity excuse can be used this time. Also, if JLJ is not mobile enough, why start him?
Karma my butt. The fact of the matter is Jerry Moore put us in this predicament. His opting to recruit skill position players over quality offensive linemen and hiring coaches - like his son who couldn't coach a pee wee team - who should not be coaching at the Division One level is killing us. The line we have is just plain awful.Ashe_App wrote:There is something going on but most refuse to see it. It's called karma. I have nothing against Satt and think he's the coach for our future. I was and am in favor of the move up. Who wants to spend a beautiful Saturday watching a lousy team like Lenoir Rhyne get beat by 50? However, the coach who led us to 3 national titles and what, 10 of the last 11 conference titles, and did more for making men out of a bunch of college kids than any other coach I know anything about, was not allowed to coach another year even though he wanted to do so. Like Corey Lynch said, I am embarrassed for ASU.WataugaMan wrote:I know it's only two games in, but, I'm starting to have serious concerns over hiring Satterfield as the HC. With the returning starters we have on offense there is no excuse for losing to A&T, none. I'm beginning to wonder if there's something going on behind the scenes we are unaware of. Just my two cents.asu1978 wrote:Children,Children,calm down.Yes we have problems,but lets not turn on each other.The play I saw in the last quarter gives me some hope of a rebuilding season.We aren't the can'tamounts,yet.Let's encourage Kam & the rest of the team.
We have a lot of problems but I think people aren't realizing or truly paying attention to what they were. The only thing I blame Cobb for is the fact he put Satterfield in a job he is not ready for. There was a solid group of ASU people who wanted others and knew Scott was not ready. He looked lost and confused on the sideline and didn't know exactly what to do. Now, the poor play of Jamal, lack of OL and DL, and our bad playcalling at times are not Cobb's fault directly but Cobb picked the wrong man for the job. I'm not saying Scott can't be a good HC one day but he was not ready. He should have pulled Jamal in the second quarter to see Bryant for a couple series and then be able to give him some adjustments at halftime. Instead, Scott waited until the third quarter and by then it was just about too late. The only reason we came back is because I firmly believe Bryant has the potential to be an All-Sun Belt QB. He's going to be really good as long as he puts in the work.asu1978 wrote:Children,Children,calm down.Yes we have problems,but lets not turn on each other.The play I saw in the last quarter gives me some hope of a rebuilding season.We aren't the can'tamounts,yet.Let's encourage Kam & the rest of the team.
It's just two games but yes there is definitely something going on. It's ironic people are wondering about Scott because there were a good amount of fans who said SS was not ready and we should hire someone different. I was one of those who thought Scott needed more seasoning because I don't think he was ready and he has a lot of improving and maturing to do in order to be what we need.WataugaMan wrote:I know it's only two games in, but, I'm starting to have serious concerns over hiring Satterfield as the HC. With the returning starters we have on offense there is no excuse for losing to A&T, none. I'm beginning to wonder if there's something going on behind the scenes we are unaware of. Just my two cents.asu1978 wrote:Children,Children,calm down.Yes we have problems,but lets not turn on each other.The play I saw in the last quarter gives me some hope of a rebuilding season.We aren't the can'tamounts,yet.Let's encourage Kam & the rest of the team.
Scott needs to go with Bryant. This is where we find out how ready Scott is to be a head coach. It's a tough decision because Jamal is a senior but he is clearly hurt and not mentally in games and Bryant gives us a better shot to win now, and helps us next year by having experience this season. I love Jamal and hope he steps up as a leader and accepts being our backup for the good of the team for a while.WataugaMan wrote:"Also, missing a large target on the receiving corps hurts in not being able to sustain drives."
That large target would not have made a difference. Speaking of the OL, were we or were we not bigger than A&Ts DL? I don't believe the size disparity excuse can be used this time. Also, if JLJ is not mobile enough, why start him?
WataugaMan wrote:I know it's only two games in, but, I'm starting to have serious concerns over hiring Satterfield as the HC. With the returning starters we have on offense there is no excuse for losing to A&T, none. I'm beginning to wonder if there's something going on behind the scenes we are unaware of. Just my two cents.asu1978 wrote:Children,Children,calm down.Yes we have problems,but lets not turn on each other.The play I saw in the last quarter gives me some hope of a rebuilding season.We aren't the can'tamounts,yet.Let's encourage Kam & the rest of the team.
Personally, I don't see how a major record breaking receiver couldn't have made a difference, but I'm not Satterfield.WataugaMan wrote:Price would not have made a difference. As SS has stated, I expect to see much improvement. Hopefully, by fElon time.
I agree with a lot of this rant. I love Jerry Moore but if we all agree we were in decline then it does not turn around in one season. Last night was an embarrassment. If our kids and coaches have any fight in them we will learn and hopefully get better. I will go out on a limb and predict another 8 win season even after witnessing last nights debacle.Kgfish wrote:Karma my butt. The fact of the matter is Jerry Moore put us in this predicament. His opting to recruit skill position players over quality offensive linemen and hiring coaches - like his son who couldn't coach a pee wee team - who should not be coaching at the Division One level is killing us. The line we have is just plain awful.Ashe_App wrote:There is something going on but most refuse to see it. It's called karma. I have nothing against Satt and think he's the coach for our future. I was and am in favor of the move up. Who wants to spend a beautiful Saturday watching a lousy team like Lenoir Rhyne get beat by 50? However, the coach who led us to 3 national titles and what, 10 of the last 11 conference titles, and did more for making men out of a bunch of college kids than any other coach I know anything about, was not allowed to coach another year even though he wanted to do so. Like Corey Lynch said, I am embarrassed for ASU.WataugaMan wrote:I know it's only two games in, but, I'm starting to have serious concerns over hiring Satterfield as the HC. With the returning starters we have on offense there is no excuse for losing to A&T, none. I'm beginning to wonder if there's something going on behind the scenes we are unaware of. Just my two cents.asu1978 wrote:Children,Children,calm down.Yes we have problems,but lets not turn on each other.The play I saw in the last quarter gives me some hope of a rebuilding season.We aren't the can'tamounts,yet.Let's encourage Kam & the rest of the team.
The only reason Ledford is at ASU is because of a huge gaffe by Coach Moore. At the coaches convention 2 years ago Scott met with Darren Hiller - who had been the OL coach at Ark State and someone he knew from coaching against. Somehow Scott got this guy with 10 years of FBS experience - now the OL coach at Cincinnati - to agree to come to App. All that had to be done was for Jerry to get the paper work out to Hiller. After 2 weeks Scott asked when Hiller would be in Boone and Jerry said had forgotten about it. Scott called Hiller to apologize and Darren told him since he never heard back he took another job. Jerry then hired Ledford at the last minute because he was local and came cheap. Now we have a QB playing scared to get hurt again behind a terrible offensive line being coached by a guy with little to no experience. Remember Bob McClain? He was another coach with little experience.
There can only be 2 reasons for this. 1, Jerry is completely senile or 2, Coach Moore didn't appreciate Scott getting involved in "his" staff decisions and purposely never followed through. I'm betting on #2.
Something else most don't know about our former legend coach is 2 years ago gave some assistant coaches - I bet you can figure who they are - 3 year contracts. Let that sink in for a second..... Why would ole Jer do that when he KNEW Cobb was pushing him to only coach one more year? How many coaches do you know would take a job knowing they would be forced to keep members of the current staff two years? I was floored when more coaches didn't apply for the job, until I was told about this little insight. Scott is the only one who would agree to something like that. Jerry Moore tried to rig the system so he could coach this year. Ultimately Cobb has to be held accountable for allowing Jerry to do this.
Hey coach, can I get a sideline pass?Black Saturday wrote:Good points, maybe CC can hire me and you to Coach.WataugaMan wrote:"Also, missing a large target on the receiving corps hurts in not being able to sustain drives."
That large target would not have made a difference. Speaking of the OL, were we or were we not bigger than A&Ts DL? I don't believe the size disparity excuse can be used this time. Also, if JLJ is not mobile enough, why start him?
I can't disagree with the story above -- I don't know, so I'll basically accept it as correct. However, what I do think sounds strange is that Jerry could give assistant coaches 3-year contracts without Cobb's agreement. And, if Cobb agreed then he is just as much, or more, to "blame" as anyone. And if Cobb knew he was only going to keep Jerry around one more year, but still agreed to 3-year agreements for assistants that would be problematic later, then Charlie is not such a bright light bulb after all and Jerry played him like a cheap fiddle. I know you said Cobb should be accountable, but to me, that's putting it mildly -- Cobb is at the very heart of the PROBLEM, and he's not very smart to boot.Kgfish wrote:
Karma my butt. The fact of the matter is Jerry Moore put us in this predicament. His opting to recruit skill position players over quality offensive linemen and hiring coaches - like his son who couldn't coach a pee wee team - who should not be coaching at the Division One level is killing us. The line we have is just plain awful.
The only reason Ledford is at ASU is because of a huge gaffe by Coach Moore. At the coaches convention 2 years ago Scott met with Darren Hiller - who had been the OL coach at Ark State and someone he knew from coaching against. Somehow Scott got this guy with 10 years of FBS experience - now the OL coach at Cincinnati - to agree to come to App. All that had to be done was for Jerry to get the paper work out to Hiller. After 2 weeks Scott asked when Hiller would be in Boone and Jerry said had forgotten about it. Scott called Hiller to apologize and Darren told him since he never heard back he took another job. Jerry then hired Ledford at the last minute because he was local and came cheap. Now we have a QB playing scared to get hurt again behind a terrible offensive line being coached by a guy with little to no experience. Remember Bob McClain? He was another coach with little experience.
There can only be 2 reasons for this. 1, Jerry is completely senile or 2, Coach Moore didn't appreciate Scott getting involved in "his" staff decisions and purposely never followed through. I'm betting on #2.
Something else most don't know about our former legend coach is 2 years ago gave some assistant coaches - I bet you can figure who they are - 3 year contracts. Let that sink in for a second..... Why would ole Jer do that when he KNEW Cobb was pushing him to only coach one more year? How many coaches do you know would take a job knowing they would be forced to keep members of the current staff two years? I was floored when more coaches didn't apply for the job, until I was told about this little insight. Scott is the only one who would agree to something like that. Jerry Moore tried to rig the system so he could coach this year. Ultimately Cobb has to be held accountable for allowing Jerry to do this.
