#TeamClark

[AppStFan1]

Never lost to Ga. State. Would love to keep that streak going. And really want to beat Southern on Armanti appreciation day.

I was about to say the same thing. If I could only get 2 more wins those would be my two. The only issue with that is that I think Gillin would fire Shawn if he only wins 2 more and this is the toughest 4-game stretch we have all season.

[appfanjj]

IF we go 6-6 and play in a bowl game Clark will not be fired. Especially if we win a bowl game. Maybe if we lose a bowl game. Less than 6 wins and he is gone.
Just my opinion.

[MrCraig]

Sunday morning ramblings below...

App's success running their offense keys on having dominant O-Line personnel. When the OL is dealing with injuries, has less talented players, etc., well, y'all know the deal.

Along that line of thought...when Ponce called novel plays (TE targets, designed QB keepers, etc.) they were frequently successful. Is it coincidence that opponents this season have shown very App different looks on game day than what our defense prepared for during the week? Coastal immediately comes to mind here.

Here's my point: instead of sticking with the same offense, why not tailor it to App's personnel? Some of the most successful offensive schemes like the West Coast Offense and Air Raid were designed purely out of necessity (see notes below).

If Scott Sloan (architect of a defense that has been adopted by other teams in the SBC) was willing to make some major scheme changes last night, can we admit we need to make some changes on offense that work to the strengths/mitigate the weaknesses of our personnel?

I'm not saying Sloan's tweaks worked. A lot of it didn't, until the last three drives where it the kids played lights out. But it was a statement that he's trying to place our kids in positions to win games. Ponce needs the freedom to do the same.

Note:
"The Score Takes Care of Itself" is Bill Walsh's autobiography and he speaks at length about the development of the WCO.
"Untold stories of football's Air Raid revolution" is an excellent article that outlines why Mumme and Leach created the system. https://www.espn.com/college-football/s ... d-football

I think Ponce did make some adjustments at half time. I rewatched the game this morning, and it seemed to me App threw the ball a lot more in the second half which opened up the run game. This as opposed to the run setting up the pass. I didn’t count the number of plays tho, and it could’ve been out of necessity bcuz App was playing from behind.

[AppStFan1]

IF we go 6-6 and play in a bowl game Clark will not be fired. Especially if we win a bowl game. Maybe if we lose a bowl game. Less than 6 wins and he is gone.
Just my opinion.

I think we will go 5-7 but I think we have to go 7-5 for him to be retained. The losses to CCU and ODU back to back really have him on the hot seat. We need to go 3-1 to close the year to cool that seat off. If there is a change they won't wait for the bowl game. I think you make the move and have an interim coach for the bowl. Can't leave the status in limbo for signing day. Need a firm head coach in place or risk losing even more commits.

[DenverOfTheEast]

Sunday morning ramblings below...

App's success running their offense keys on having dominant O-Line personnel. When the OL is dealing with injuries, has less talented players, etc., well, y'all know the deal.

Along that line of thought...when Ponce called novel plays (TE targets, designed QB keepers, etc.) they were frequently successful. Is it coincidence that opponents this season have shown very App different looks on game day than what our defense prepared for during the week? Coastal immediately comes to mind here.

Here's my point: instead of sticking with the same offense, why not tailor it to App's personnel? Some of the most successful offensive schemes like the West Coast Offense and Air Raid were designed purely out of necessity (see notes below).

If Scott Sloan (architect of a defense that has been adopted by other teams in the SBC) was willing to make some major scheme changes last night, can we admit we need to make some changes on offense that work to the strengths/mitigate the weaknesses of our personnel?

I'm not saying Sloan's tweaks worked. A lot of it didn't, until the last three drives where it the kids played lights out. But it was a statement that he's trying to place our kids in positions to win games. Ponce needs the freedom to do the same.

Note:
"The Score Takes Care of Itself" is Bill Walsh's autobiography and he speaks at length about the development of the WCO.
"Untold stories of football's Air Raid revolution" is an excellent article that outlines why Mumme and Leach created the system. https://www.espn.com/college-football/s ... d-football

I think Ponce did make some adjustments at half time. I rewatched the game this morning, and it seemed to me App threw the ball a lot more in the second half which opened up the run game. This as opposed to the run setting up the pass. I didn’t count the number of plays tho, and it could’ve been out of necessity bcuz App was playing from behind.

You throw the ball more when you are trailing, when you have the lead you run the ball, clock tics.

It's not adjusting it's more we are behind so now we have to play faster, and with more urgency 'we have to strike quick'.

Ponce needs this urgency from the start in my opinion, Coastal game and yesterday were both sluggish starts.

[Black Saturday]

So was ULM a slow start, the team needs to play a quarter in the parking lot before kickoff to rid themselves of the sluggish starts.

[Black Saturday]

IF we go 6-6 and play in a bowl game Clark will not be fired. Especially if we win a bowl game. Maybe if we lose a bowl game. Less than 6 wins and he is gone.
Just my opinion.

I think we will go 5-7 but I think we have to go 7-5 for him to be retained. The losses to CCU and ODU back to back really have him on the hot seat. We need to go 3-1 to close the year to cool that seat off. If there is a change they won't wait for the bowl game. I think you make the move and have an interim coach for the bowl. Can't leave the status in limbo for signing day. Need a firm head coach in place or risk losing even more commits.

If it gets that far, whoever it is will need to live in the portal to shore up our glaring deficiencies so we can get out of the cellar.....

[DenverOfTheEast]

IF we go 6-6 and play in a bowl game Clark will not be fired. Especially if we win a bowl game. Maybe if we lose a bowl game. Less than 6 wins and he is gone.
Just my opinion.

I think we will go 5-7 but I think we have to go 7-5 for him to be retained. The losses to CCU and ODU back to back really have him on the hot seat. We need to go 3-1 to close the year to cool that seat off. If there is a change they won't wait for the bowl game. I think you make the move and have an interim coach for the bowl. Can't leave the status in limbo for signing day. Need a firm head coach in place or risk losing even more commits.

If he goes 5-7, 6-6 he is back.... he beats Marshall and Ga Southern, maybe Ga State also... don't see a JMU win on the road.

Buyout Clark, Buyout Sloan and Ponce, paying a bunch vacation and sick time to the rest of the staff all making hundreds of thousands of dollars....
now you pay a new staff to hit the ground running.

No money in reserves for this type of change.

He Will need 8 wins in 2024 if he has a 5-7/6-6 season and is retained. He's 4 1 score games from being undefeated.

[DenverOfTheEast]

So was ULM a slow start, the team needs to play a quarter in the parking lot before kickoff to rid themselves of the sluggish starts.

Sluggisg start is the play calling I am talking of, not the players. read the thread, keep up. urgency in calling plays only happens when ASU is behind late in games...

Some of you are so Elementary

[Black Saturday]

IF we go 6-6 and play in a bowl game Clark will not be fired. Especially if we win a bowl game. Maybe if we lose a bowl game. Less than 6 wins and he is gone.
Just my opinion.

I think we will go 5-7 but I think we have to go 7-5 for him to be retained. The losses to CCU and ODU back to back really have him on the hot seat. We need to go 3-1 to close the year to cool that seat off. If there is a change they won't wait for the bowl game. I think you make the move and have an interim coach for the bowl. Can't leave the status in limbo for signing day. Need a firm head coach in place or risk losing even more commits.

If he goes 5-7, 6-6 he is back.... he beats Marshall and Ga Southern, maybe Ga State also... don't see a JMU win on the road.

Buyout Clark, Buyout Sloan and Ponce, paying a bunch vacation and sick time to the rest of the staff all making hundreds of thousands of dollars....
now you pay a new staff to hit the ground running.

No money in reserves for this type of change.

He Will need 8 wins in 2024 if he has a 5-7/6-6 season and is retained. He's 4 1 score games from being undefeated.

But he is not undefeated and has been ending up on the wrong side of these games and that is why we are having these conversations. We can go 3-1 in November.

[Black Saturday]

So was ULM a slow start, the team needs to play a quarter in the parking lot before kickoff to rid themselves of the sluggish starts.

Sluggisg start is the play calling I am talking of, not the players. read the thread, keep up. urgency in calling plays only happens when ASU is behind late in games...

Some of you are so Elementary

Sherlock did you think I was excluding the play callers they are part of the TEAM. The players don't call the plays that I'm aware.

[AppStFan1]

IF we go 6-6 and play in a bowl game Clark will not be fired. Especially if we win a bowl game. Maybe if we lose a bowl game. Less than 6 wins and he is gone.
Just my opinion.

I think we will go 5-7 but I think we have to go 7-5 for him to be retained. The losses to CCU and ODU back to back really have him on the hot seat. We need to go 3-1 to close the year to cool that seat off. If there is a change they won't wait for the bowl game. I think you make the move and have an interim coach for the bowl. Can't leave the status in limbo for signing day. Need a firm head coach in place or risk losing even more commits.

If it gets that far, whoever it is will need to live in the portal to shore up our glaring deficiencies so we can get out of the cellar.....

Exactly. I think regardless if we keep Clark or get a new coach we definitely need to get 4-5 good ones from the portal that can play right away.

[MrCraig]

Sunday morning ramblings below...

App's success running their offense keys on having dominant O-Line personnel. When the OL is dealing with injuries, has less talented players, etc., well, y'all know the deal.

Along that line of thought...when Ponce called novel plays (TE targets, designed QB keepers, etc.) they were frequently successful. Is it coincidence that opponents this season have shown very App different looks on game day than what our defense prepared for during the week? Coastal immediately comes to mind here.

Here's my point: instead of sticking with the same offense, why not tailor it to App's personnel? Some of the most successful offensive schemes like the West Coast Offense and Air Raid were designed purely out of necessity (see notes below).

If Scott Sloan (architect of a defense that has been adopted by other teams in the SBC) was willing to make some major scheme changes last night, can we admit we need to make some changes on offense that work to the strengths/mitigate the weaknesses of our personnel?

I'm not saying Sloan's tweaks worked. A lot of it didn't, until the last three drives where it the kids played lights out. But it was a statement that he's trying to place our kids in positions to win games. Ponce needs the freedom to do the same.

Note:
"The Score Takes Care of Itself" is Bill Walsh's autobiography and he speaks at length about the development of the WCO.
"Untold stories of football's Air Raid revolution" is an excellent article that outlines why Mumme and Leach created the system. https://www.espn.com/college-football/s ... d-football

I think Ponce did make some adjustments at half time. I rewatched the game this morning, and it seemed to me App threw the ball a lot more in the second half which opened up the run game. This as opposed to the run setting up the pass. I didn’t count the number of plays tho, and it could’ve been out of necessity bcuz App was playing from behind.

You throw the ball more when you are trailing, when you have the lead you run the ball, clock tics.

It's not adjusting it's more we are behind so now we have to play faster, and with more urgency 'we have to strike quick'.

Ponce needs this urgency from the start in my opinion, Coastal game and yesterday were both sluggish starts.

When you are behind late, yes, you usually throw the ball more. But if you go look at the play-by-play, the adjustment actually happened in the second quarter, when they were either tied or down a TD. The last 3 possessions the play calls were something close to 9-4 pass-run. And a couple of those runs were pass plays that Joey scrambled out of. The first 3 drives were more balanced.

[AppStFan1]

IF we go 6-6 and play in a bowl game Clark will not be fired. Especially if we win a bowl game. Maybe if we lose a bowl game. Less than 6 wins and he is gone.
Just my opinion.

I think we will go 5-7 but I think we have to go 7-5 for him to be retained. The losses to CCU and ODU back to back really have him on the hot seat. We need to go 3-1 to close the year to cool that seat off. If there is a change they won't wait for the bowl game. I think you make the move and have an interim coach for the bowl. Can't leave the status in limbo for signing day. Need a firm head coach in place or risk losing even more commits.

If he goes 5-7, 6-6 he is back.... he beats Marshall and Ga Southern, maybe Ga State also... don't see a JMU win on the road.

Buyout Clark, Buyout Sloan and Ponce, paying a bunch vacation and sick time to the rest of the staff all making hundreds of thousands of dollars....
now you pay a new staff to hit the ground running.

No money in reserves for this type of change.

He Will need 8 wins in 2024 if he has a 5-7/6-6 season and is retained. He's 4 1 score games from being undefeated.

I think we need to go 7-5 for Shawn to be safe. We will see who is right here but I do know we got boosters that want change and are willing to pony up the money.

You are right about the one score games but we are also 1 score away from being 3-5. It works both ways. Being 4-4 instead of 7-1 or 8-1 is definitely due to a lot of mistakes. At some point we have to see less of those mistakes. Having to come from behind and giving up 38 to the worst team in the league still does not give me confidence for this brutal November stretch. We will see.

[311neers]

IF we go 6-6 and play in a bowl game Clark will not be fired. Especially if we win a bowl game. Maybe if we lose a bowl game. Less than 6 wins and he is gone.
Just my opinion.

I think we will go 5-7 but I think we have to go 7-5 for him to be retained. The losses to CCU and ODU back to back really have him on the hot seat. We need to go 3-1 to close the year to cool that seat off. If there is a change they won't wait for the bowl game. I think you make the move and have an interim coach for the bowl. Can't leave the status in limbo for signing day. Need a firm head coach in place or risk losing even more commits.

If he goes 5-7, 6-6 he is back.... he beats Marshall and Ga Southern, maybe Ga State also... don't see a JMU win on the road.

Buyout Clark, Buyout Sloan and Ponce, paying a bunch vacation and sick time to the rest of the staff all making hundreds of thousands of dollars....
now you pay a new staff to hit the ground running.

No money in reserves for this type of change.

He Will need 8 wins in 2024 if he has a 5-7/6-6 season and is retained. He's 4 1 score games from being undefeated.

In other words, it’s going to be a long 14 more months.

[JTApps1]

We were supposed to be much bigger and deeper on DL, but there's not much you can do when White and McKnight get hurt during camp.

[Bootsy]

We were supposed to be much bigger and deeper on DL, but there's not much you can do when White and McKnight get hurt during camp.

Losing White and McKnight before the season started wasn't completely disastrous...but it did hurt us pretty badly.
Having these young men in the lineup radically changes the chemistry of the DL for the better.

[311neers]

We were supposed to be much bigger and deeper on DL, but there's not much you can do when White and McKnight get hurt during camp.

Losing White and McKnight before the season started wasn't completely disastrous...but it did hurt us pretty badly.
Having these young men in the lineup radically changes the chemistry of the DL for the better.

Props to Hopper. He’s stepped up and filled some big shoes!

[NeersBy90]

I'm not a fire Clark guy. I'm 50/50 at the moment.

My question is this... Is poor coaching keeping us from holding onto the football? I'm shooting from the hip here so forgive me if the below is wrong but...

L) Didn't UNC score 2 or so plays after a pick?

W) ECU had a pick 6 and a scoop and score to keep it close.

L) Wyoming the blocked field goal return for a TD, threw a pick and lost a fumble.

W) ULM we threw 2 picks and lost a fumble.

L) Coastal the big fumble very late in the 4th that led to the GW field goal.

L) ODU no turnovers but the fumbled exchange on 2nd and 1 (with a chance to ice the game) got us behind the chains, we punted, they scored, we lost.

W) Southern Miss threw pick and then picked them off, fumbled late in the 2nd and thankfully they missed a field goal to go into the half.

I know defense, especially the secondary has been an issue but were it not for the turnovers (or near turnovers see ODU) this could be a different season. I get the sluggish starts are an issue but we've been in a position to win every game.

[Rekdiver]

500+ yards from Southern Miss should answer the above.....Our defense is as bad as i've seen and that goes back to the year 1970. Hall kept asking why we were giving so much cushion in the secondary...i'd agree if it werent for the number of times we got beat deep....