2024 Playoff 2 chances

[AppStFan1]

There needs to be caps on it, imo

Agree - if you’re going to have NIL (which we will, forever), then there should be some sort of department or program “salary cap”. It should all have to be reported (as it already is, since it is income, right?), and there should be compliance in place. And the penalty for breaking the rules should be hefty impacts/reductions to the cap for a number of years. This would require schools to officially get into bed with NIL, which the NCAA doesn’t want, though.

But it’s not like regulation would matter. It would be extremely easy for an outside influence to provide benefits outside of a collective. It was happening in private before, it would be harder to spot now with permissible benefits already in play.

If a school wants to blow its wad on a single player, go ahead. But having a salary cap in place forces programs to be more careful. And then do you have title 9 to account for?

Excellent point on Title IX. Saw where Joey’s current valuation is $450k. It would be interesting to see someone challenge that in court to get that same amount for female athletes.

You know there are girls getting major money like that already, right?

Look at these valuations: https://www.on3.com/nil/rankings/player ... asketball/

Also, look at these from 2022: https://www.si.com/college/2022/12/22/b ... kers-dunne

[AppWyo]

This conversation and these collectives are what is wrong with NIL. I really don’t think it was supposed to be what it has become. How can anyone even make a promise of money to a player without them being in the portal? Before we know it we won’t be able to fund scholarships because all the money will be going to NIL. Then what?

The only difference between now and before is you know who the "Bag Men" are now.

[AppSt94]

There needs to be caps on it, imo

Agree - if you’re going to have NIL (which we will, forever), then there should be some sort of department or program “salary cap”. It should all have to be reported (as it already is, since it is income, right?), and there should be compliance in place. And the penalty for breaking the rules should be hefty impacts/reductions to the cap for a number of years. This would require schools to officially get into bed with NIL, which the NCAA doesn’t want, though.

But it’s not like regulation would matter. It would be extremely easy for an outside influence to provide benefits outside of a collective. It was happening in private before, it would be harder to spot now with permissible benefits already in play.

If a school wants to blow its wad on a single player, go ahead. But having a salary cap in place forces programs to be more careful. And then do you have title 9 to account for?

Excellent point on Title IX. Saw where Joey’s current valuation is $450k. It would be interesting to see someone challenge that in court to get that same amount for female athletes.

He will be gone by January if he can get that kind of money.

Who would blame him.

[Black Saturday]

If there are caps placed on what NIL can be, G5 still can’t compete.

[AppSt94]

There needs to be caps on it, imo

Agree - if you’re going to have NIL (which we will, forever), then there should be some sort of department or program “salary cap”. It should all have to be reported (as it already is, since it is income, right?), and there should be compliance in place. And the penalty for breaking the rules should be hefty impacts/reductions to the cap for a number of years. This would require schools to officially get into bed with NIL, which the NCAA doesn’t want, though.

But it’s not like regulation would matter. It would be extremely easy for an outside influence to provide benefits outside of a collective. It was happening in private before, it would be harder to spot now with permissible benefits already in play.

If a school wants to blow its wad on a single player, go ahead. But having a salary cap in place forces programs to be more careful. And then do you have title 9 to account for?

Excellent point on Title IX. Saw where Joey’s current valuation is $450k. It would be interesting to see someone challenge that in court to get that same amount for female athletes.

You know there are girls getting major money like that already, right?

Look at these valuations: https://www.on3.com/nil/rankings/player ... asketball/

Also, look at these from 2022: https://www.si.com/college/2022/12/22/b ... kers-dunne

Didn’t say that there weren’t. My point was in regards to NIL collectives that are target specific to a school’s athletes. A second baseman on the women’s softball team is not in the same windshield as any kid on the football or men’s basketball team, much less the star point guard on the women’s basketball team. Someone is going to cry foul about that. I’m not saying that it’s a real issue. But there have been many mountains made out of mole hills in today’s world.

[Bigdaddyg1]

There needs to be caps on it, imo

Agree - if you’re going to have NIL (which we will, forever), then there should be some sort of department or program “salary cap”. It should all have to be reported (as it already is, since it is income, right?), and there should be compliance in place. And the penalty for breaking the rules should be hefty impacts/reductions to the cap for a number of years. This would require schools to officially get into bed with NIL, which the NCAA doesn’t want, though.

But it’s not like regulation would matter. It would be extremely easy for an outside influence to provide benefits outside of a collective. It was happening in private before, it would be harder to spot now with permissible benefits already in play.

If a school wants to blow its wad on a single player, go ahead. But having a salary cap in place forces programs to be more careful. And then do you have title 9 to account for?

Excellent point on Title IX. Saw where Joey’s current valuation is $450k. It would be interesting to see someone challenge that in court to get that same amount for female athletes.

He will be gone by January if he can get that kind of money.

Who would blame him.

Hopefully he's loving App and Boone. It's been mentioned that his family travels to all of his games. No idea what their financial situation is like but surely they would not mind him playing his last year on the west coast.

[AppState00_01]

Doubt they change the format for 2024. Top 6 conference champions get automatic bids.

Group of 5 will have 2 teams in the field of 12. (Because of the surprise implosion of the PAC 12)

Best chance ever for a playoff spot….they will probably drop it back to 1 group of 5 after next year.

With our schedule 12-1 will get us there.

You are close. 13-0.

If we are 12-1 with a close loss to Clemson we could do it. Sun Belt has more respect than people think. CFP is not suppose to comment on it but someone I know in the media who is connected in that realm told me the belief was that JMU would have been around 15-18 before our loss and thinks they would be in the top 25 this week even with our loss.

Based on watching the AAC, MWC, and SBC I am 99% sure our top 3 (JMU, App, Troy) could beat Tulane. They got a stud QB and a good defense but they have not seen a QB like Aguilar this year.

Totally agree. Tulane is high in the polls because they started the year high in the polls. JMU had serious work to do and had a stronger schedule. Playoff rankings have the gap between Tulane and Liberty much closer.

[appst89]

There needs to be caps on it, imo

Agree - if you’re going to have NIL (which we will, forever), then there should be some sort of department or program “salary cap”. It should all have to be reported (as it already is, since it is income, right?), and there should be compliance in place. And the penalty for breaking the rules should be hefty impacts/reductions to the cap for a number of years. This would require schools to officially get into bed with NIL, which the NCAA doesn’t want, though.

But it’s not like regulation would matter. It would be extremely easy for an outside influence to provide benefits outside of a collective. It was happening in private before, it would be harder to spot now with permissible benefits already in play.

If a school wants to blow its wad on a single player, go ahead. But having a salary cap in place forces programs to be more careful. And then do you have title 9 to account for?

Excellent point on Title IX. Saw where Joey’s current valuation is $450k. It would be interesting to see someone challenge that in court to get that same amount for female athletes.

You know there are girls getting major money like that already, right?

Look at these valuations: https://www.on3.com/nil/rankings/player ... asketball/

Also, look at these from 2022: https://www.si.com/college/2022/12/22/b ... kers-dunne

Didn’t say that there weren’t. My point was in regards to NIL collectives that are target specific to a school’s athletes. A second baseman on the women’s softball team is not in the same windshield as any kid on the football or men’s basketball team, much less the star point guard on the women’s basketball team. Someone is going to cry foul about that. I’m not saying that it’s a real issue. But there have been many mountains made out of mole hills in today’s world.

This is just my opinion, but I don't think NIL creates any Title IX issues as long as the school isn't directly involved in funding NIL. Now, we all know the schools are involved, but technically, they can't be, so we'll go with that. Title IX guarantees equal opportunity for women, not equal outcomes, and NIL is based on the individual not what the school is offering.

[AppSt94]

Agree - if you’re going to have NIL (which we will, forever), then there should be some sort of department or program “salary cap”. It should all have to be reported (as it already is, since it is income, right?), and there should be compliance in place. And the penalty for breaking the rules should be hefty impacts/reductions to the cap for a number of years. This would require schools to officially get into bed with NIL, which the NCAA doesn’t want, though.

But it’s not like regulation would matter. It would be extremely easy for an outside influence to provide benefits outside of a collective. It was happening in private before, it would be harder to spot now with permissible benefits already in play.

If a school wants to blow its wad on a single player, go ahead. But having a salary cap in place forces programs to be more careful. And then do you have title 9 to account for?

Excellent point on Title IX. Saw where Joey’s current valuation is $450k. It would be interesting to see someone challenge that in court to get that same amount for female athletes.

You know there are girls getting major money like that already, right?

Look at these valuations: https://www.on3.com/nil/rankings/player ... asketball/

Also, look at these from 2022: https://www.si.com/college/2022/12/22/b ... kers-dunne

Didn’t say that there weren’t. My point was in regards to NIL collectives that are target specific to a school’s athletes. A second baseman on the women’s softball team is not in the same windshield as any kid on the football or men’s basketball team, much less the star point guard on the women’s basketball team. Someone is going to cry foul about that. I’m not saying that it’s a real issue. But there have been many mountains made out of mole hills in today’s world.

This is just my opinion, but I don't think NIL creates any Title IX issues as long as the school isn't directly involved in funding NIL. Now, we all know the schools are involved, but technically, they can't be, so we'll go with that. Title IX guarantees equal opportunity for women, not equal outcomes, and NIL is based on the individual not what the school is offering.

Technically speaking, you are correct. Where it gets muddy is with the schools involvement as we have two employees in the Athletic Department that are contacts for NIL. I’m not saying that isn’t allowed or anything is wrong with that, it just creates a perception issue.

And you are also correct on your statement on what Title IX is in place for. But again, we live in a world that is currently being driven by perception and not the truth. Someone will cry foul and the world will listen. It’s sad really.

[AppSt94]

Agree - if you’re going to have NIL (which we will, forever), then there should be some sort of department or program “salary cap”. It should all have to be reported (as it already is, since it is income, right?), and there should be compliance in place. And the penalty for breaking the rules should be hefty impacts/reductions to the cap for a number of years. This would require schools to officially get into bed with NIL, which the NCAA doesn’t want, though.

But it’s not like regulation would matter. It would be extremely easy for an outside influence to provide benefits outside of a collective. It was happening in private before, it would be harder to spot now with permissible benefits already in play.

If a school wants to blow its wad on a single player, go ahead. But having a salary cap in place forces programs to be more careful. And then do you have title 9 to account for?

Excellent point on Title IX. Saw where Joey’s current valuation is $450k. It would be interesting to see someone challenge that in court to get that same amount for female athletes.

He will be gone by January if he can get that kind of money.

Who would blame him.

Hopefully he's loving App and Boone. It's been mentioned that his family travels to all of his games. No idea what their financial situation is like but surely they would not mind him playing his last year on the west coast.

Joey’s mom and dad are great. They have been to every game and I’m sure that isn’t cheap. I’ve never spoken to Joey but I get the sense that he is comfortable with his surroundings in Boone. That’s not to say he can’t find comfort somewhere else with a bag full of cash, but some people just don’t need it to be happy.

[ggasu]

The new transfer rule approved in October
(one time only without a year wait) will change everything.

To build stability, recruiting the portal is now far more important, than high school recruiting. No stress about losing your team in the off season.

They also threw in the rise in appreciation fee to transition from fcs to fbs from 5,000 to 5 million . Knew we had inflation, but not 100,000%

[AppStFan1]

There needs to be caps on it, imo

Agree - if you’re going to have NIL (which we will, forever), then there should be some sort of department or program “salary cap”. It should all have to be reported (as it already is, since it is income, right?), and there should be compliance in place. And the penalty for breaking the rules should be hefty impacts/reductions to the cap for a number of years. This would require schools to officially get into bed with NIL, which the NCAA doesn’t want, though.

But it’s not like regulation would matter. It would be extremely easy for an outside influence to provide benefits outside of a collective. It was happening in private before, it would be harder to spot now with permissible benefits already in play.

If a school wants to blow its wad on a single player, go ahead. But having a salary cap in place forces programs to be more careful. And then do you have title 9 to account for?

Excellent point on Title IX. Saw where Joey’s current valuation is $450k. It would be interesting to see someone challenge that in court to get that same amount for female athletes.

You know there are girls getting major money like that already, right?

Look at these valuations: https://www.on3.com/nil/rankings/player ... asketball/

Also, look at these from 2022: https://www.si.com/college/2022/12/22/b ... kers-dunne

Didn’t say that there weren’t. My point was in regards to NIL collectives that are target specific to a school’s athletes. A second baseman on the women’s softball team is not in the same windshield as any kid on the football or men’s basketball team, much less the star point guard on the women’s basketball team. Someone is going to cry foul about that. I’m not saying that it’s a real issue. But there have been many mountains made out of mole hills in today’s world.

Agreed. Someone will try one day but luckily the legal side won’t back it up. Opportunity is guaranteed but outcome can’t be guaranteed. Don’t see how their argument would hold up in court.

[AppSt94]

Agree - if you’re going to have NIL (which we will, forever), then there should be some sort of department or program “salary cap”. It should all have to be reported (as it already is, since it is income, right?), and there should be compliance in place. And the penalty for breaking the rules should be hefty impacts/reductions to the cap for a number of years. This would require schools to officially get into bed with NIL, which the NCAA doesn’t want, though.

But it’s not like regulation would matter. It would be extremely easy for an outside influence to provide benefits outside of a collective. It was happening in private before, it would be harder to spot now with permissible benefits already in play.

If a school wants to blow its wad on a single player, go ahead. But having a salary cap in place forces programs to be more careful. And then do you have title 9 to account for?

Excellent point on Title IX. Saw where Joey’s current valuation is $450k. It would be interesting to see someone challenge that in court to get that same amount for female athletes.

You know there are girls getting major money like that already, right?

Look at these valuations: https://www.on3.com/nil/rankings/player ... asketball/

Also, look at these from 2022: https://www.si.com/college/2022/12/22/b ... kers-dunne

Didn’t say that there weren’t. My point was in regards to NIL collectives that are target specific to a school’s athletes. A second baseman on the women’s softball team is not in the same windshield as any kid on the football or men’s basketball team, much less the star point guard on the women’s basketball team. Someone is going to cry foul about that. I’m not saying that it’s a real issue. But there have been many mountains made out of mole hills in today’s world.

Agreed. Someone will try one day but luckily the legal side won’t back it up. Opportunity is guaranteed but outcome can’t be guaranteed. Don’t see how their argument would hold up in court. Sadly, the public would listen and many would have sympathy for it.

That didn’t take long.
https://www.sportico.com/leagues/colleg ... 234749110/

[AppStFan1]

Excellent point on Title IX. Saw where Joey’s current valuation is $450k. It would be interesting to see someone challenge that in court to get that same amount for female athletes.

You know there are girls getting major money like that already, right?

Look at these valuations: https://www.on3.com/nil/rankings/player ... asketball/

Also, look at these from 2022: https://www.si.com/college/2022/12/22/b ... kers-dunne

Didn’t say that there weren’t. My point was in regards to NIL collectives that are target specific to a school’s athletes. A second baseman on the women’s softball team is not in the same windshield as any kid on the football or men’s basketball team, much less the star point guard on the women’s basketball team. Someone is going to cry foul about that. I’m not saying that it’s a real issue. But there have been many mountains made out of mole hills in today’s world.

Agreed. Someone will try one day but luckily the legal side won’t back it up. Opportunity is guaranteed but outcome can’t be guaranteed. Don’t see how their argument would hold up in court.

That didn’t take long.
https://www.sportico.com/leagues/colleg ... 234749110/

I am curious to see the full legal argument. The revenue that sports bring in will influence this correct? If the courts rule that girls should get the same amount of money do we see it move to a CBA and do away with Title IX?

[ASUTodd]

You know there are girls getting major money like that already, right?

Look at these valuations: https://www.on3.com/nil/rankings/player ... asketball/

Also, look at these from 2022: https://www.si.com/college/2022/12/22/b ... kers-dunne

Didn’t say that there weren’t. My point was in regards to NIL collectives that are target specific to a school’s athletes. A second baseman on the women’s softball team is not in the same windshield as any kid on the football or men’s basketball team, much less the star point guard on the women’s basketball team. Someone is going to cry foul about that. I’m not saying that it’s a real issue. But there have been many mountains made out of mole hills in today’s world.

Agreed. Someone will try one day but luckily the legal side won’t back it up. Opportunity is guaranteed but outcome can’t be guaranteed. Don’t see how their argument would hold up in court.

That didn’t take long.
https://www.sportico.com/leagues/colleg ... 234749110/

I am curious to see the full legal argument. The revenue that sports bring in will influence this correct? If the courts rule that girls should get the same amount of money do we see it move to a CBA and do away with Title IX?

Listening to some ESPN folks, if football breaks from NCAA then it's a moot point.