SBC Championship Game at Troy discussion

[CoachRob]

Point is, we don't have to win one every year to be considered a successful program. The poster asked when were we going to adapt to win a SunBelt Championship. I replied we had won 4.

We don't have to win one every year???? Yes we do... Thats the point of playing the games.... To win one every year! Now we may not win one each year but that's the whole goal.... Even the Coach says that.

What do yo do when you buy a lottery ticket and don't win? Just curious
Don't think anyone buys a lottery ticket expecting to loss, but ...

[CoachRob]

Competed until the 4th quarter, and then collapsed.
Headscratcher of a season. Let’s wrap it up with a bowl win, and go hunting for stud linemen.

I agree but we have been hunting for stud lineman for years and ......
UL and Troy seem to have found them??

I think this is where the change of the S&C staff last offseason will have the biggest effective. It takes more than 1 offseason for the full effect of the S&C. It took a few years to see the result of the loss of Iron Mike, it'll take another offseason to get the results of Greenhalgh as coach. The biggest difference should be seen up front.

[goapps93]

Competed until the 4th quarter, and then collapsed.
Headscratcher of a season. Let’s wrap it up with a bowl win, and go hunting for stud linemen.

I agree but we have been hunting for stud lineman for years and ......
UL and Troy seem to have found them??

I think this is where the change of the S&C staff last offseason will have the biggest effective. It takes more than 1 offseason for the full effect of the S&C. It took a few years to see the result of the loss of Iron Mike, it'll take another offseason to get the results of Greenhalgh as coach. The biggest difference should be seen up front.

I'm more concerned with Dline. The change in base scheme was good but our d is still soft in the middle. That killed us last night and came close to killing us in other games that we won.

[CoachRob]

Competed until the 4th quarter, and then collapsed.
Headscratcher of a season. Let’s wrap it up with a bowl win, and go hunting for stud linemen.

I agree but we have been hunting for stud lineman for years and ......
UL and Troy seem to have found them??

I think this is where the change of the S&C staff last offseason will have the biggest effective. It takes more than 1 offseason for the full effect of the S&C. It took a few years to see the result of the loss of Iron Mike, it'll take another offseason to get the results of Greenhalgh as coach. The biggest difference should be seen up front.

I'm more concerned with Dline. The change in base scheme was good but our d is still soft in the middle. That killed us last night and came close to killing us in other games that we won.

We've been very successful in the past with an undersized fast defense. What helps keep that undersized defense fresh and fast is: 1) great execution in off-season S&C as mentioned already. 2) A ball control offense that wins the LOS and runs the ball effectively.
Vidal and Troy's defense compliment each other perfectly and part of the reason they are back to back conference Champs. I think our undersized yet fast defense can be every effective with the complimentary offense. However, if we stick with the pass 1st offense, we'll need to build defensive depth to compensate for the increase in possessions and overall plays the defense will have to play.
The difficulty is recruiting the the size/talent lineman that are needed. We will be recruited over by the P5 for those Lineman as there isn't an abundance of them as there are skilled positions. This is why in the past we go undersized as there are lots of talented players that get overlooked (because of their size) and we have been successful recruiting, developing, and winning with those guys.

[goapps93]

Competed until the 4th quarter, and then collapsed.
Headscratcher of a season. Let’s wrap it up with a bowl win, and go hunting for stud linemen.

I agree but we have been hunting for stud lineman for years and ......
UL and Troy seem to have found them??

I think this is where the change of the S&C staff last offseason will have the biggest effective. It takes more than 1 offseason for the full effect of the S&C. It took a few years to see the result of the loss of Iron Mike, it'll take another offseason to get the results of Greenhalgh as coach. The biggest difference should be seen up front.

I'm more concerned with Dline. The change in base scheme was good but our d is still soft in the middle. That killed us last night and came close to killing us in other games that we won.

We've been very successful in the past with an undersized fast defense. What helps keep that undersized defense fresh and fast is: 1) great execution in off-season S&C as mentioned already. 2) A ball control offense that wins the LOS and runs the ball effectively.
Vidal and Troy's defense compliment each other perfectly and part of the reason they are back to back conference Champs. I think our undersized yet fast defense can be every effective with the complimentary offense. However, if we stick with the pass 1st offense, we'll need to build defensive depth to compensate for the increase in possessions and overall plays the defense will have to play.
The difficulty is recruiting the the size/talent lineman that are needed. We will be recruited over by the P5 for those Lineman as there isn't an abundance of them as there are skilled positions. This is why in the past we go undersized as there are lots of talented players that get overlooked (because of their size) and we have been successful recruiting, developing, and winning with those guys.

I don't think we've ever been this undersized at NT. Santana is great but he's playing out of position. And each time we gave up big gains up the middle the Mike backer went left of right and opened it up wide.

[AppStFan1]

Yes sir! That’s where we’re at. Some say 2024 is our time but I just don’t see it.

I would agree with that and remember that Everts wants Shawn out. He is going to need to improve on this year or else she probably pulls the trigger.

What’s the evidence of Everts wanting Shawn out? Seriously, first I’ve heard of that. Not doubting, genuinely unaware and curious.

Nothing public but things she has done behind the scenes. Everyone I know who is well connected or that knows her says she has wanted him out. I have heard she never wanted him to be hired to begin with. Hopefully she won't be chancellor much longer. Everyone I like and respect tells me they would like to see her gone.

Add me to the list of those who would like to see her get on her broom and go.

Jump in line. I think that line of those who want her gone is very long!

[PhillyApp1]

Anyone who bases our program's success based on winning a conference championship every. single. year. will live a life of disappointment. We should strive to win it every year, but it's unrealistic to expect to win it every year.

A team that doesn't adapt to championship teams over last SEVERAL games is doomed to lose future Championship games...

We have had YEARS to adjust.... Troy adjusted in 2 years.
Maybe App will also..... I think we won't for the same reason we run up the middle fir no yards over and over and over and over

[ASUTodd]

Point is, we don't have to win one every year to be considered a successful program. The poster asked when were we going to adapt to win a SunBelt Championship. I replied we had won 4.

We don't have to win one every year???? Yes we do... Thats the point of playing the games.... To win one every year! Now we may not win one each year but that's the whole goal.... Even the Coach says that.

What do yo do when you buy a lottery ticket and don't win? Just curious
Don't think anyone buys a lottery ticket expecting to loss, but ...

So football is now a lottery? You can't prepare for a game of chance.... Apples and oranges.

[Mjohn1988]

Competed until the 4th quarter, and then collapsed.
Headscratcher of a season. Let’s wrap it up with a bowl win, and go hunting for stud linemen.

I agree but we have been hunting for stud lineman for years and ......
UL and Troy seem to have found them??

I think this is where the change of the S&C staff last offseason will have the biggest effective. It takes more than 1 offseason for the full effect of the S&C. It took a few years to see the result of the loss of Iron Mike, it'll take another offseason to get the results of Greenhalgh as coach. The biggest difference should be seen up front.

I will hope you’re right. We haven’t been nearly as physical since Iron Mike left. This isn’t a dig at our guys on the D line but we simply have to get much bigger across the D line.

[CoachRob]

Point is, we don't have to win one every year to be considered a successful program. The poster asked when were we going to adapt to win a SunBelt Championship. I replied we had won 4.

We don't have to win one every year???? Yes we do... Thats the point of playing the games.... To win one every year! Now we may not win one each year but that's the whole goal.... Even the Coach says that.

What do yo do when you buy a lottery ticket and don't win? Just curious
Don't think anyone buys a lottery ticket expecting to loss, but ...

So football is now a lottery? You can't prepare for a game of chance.... Apples and oranges.

Winning football games can be just as difficult as winning the lottery ... never know how the ball will bounce, when the whistle will blow, how the weather will change, or how good the opponent can play. There are times where you do everything right and still lose. There are times where you do a lot wrong and still win.
Yes, there's a lot of chance in the game of football, statistics prove this.
App got beat by a better team yesterday. It happens. Statistics prove that a team will not win it every year. It's just a fact of reality. To say otherwise is to believe a lie that is not based in reality.

[ASUTodd]

Point is, we don't have to win one every year to be considered a successful program. The poster asked when were we going to adapt to win a SunBelt Championship. I replied we had won 4.

We don't have to win one every year???? Yes we do... Thats the point of playing the games.... To win one every year! Now we may not win one each year but that's the whole goal.... Even the Coach says that.

What do yo do when you buy a lottery ticket and don't win? Just curious
Don't think anyone buys a lottery ticket expecting to loss, but ...

So football is now a lottery? You can't prepare for a game of chance.... Apples and oranges.

Winning football games can be just as difficult as winning the lottery ... never know how the ball will bounce, when the whistle will blow, how the weather will change, or how good the opponent can play. There are times where you do everything right and still lose. There are times where you do a lot wrong and still win.
Yes, there's a lot of chance in the game of football, statistics prove this.
App got beat by a better team yesterday. It happens. Statistics prove that a team will not win it every year. It's just a fact of reality. To say otherwise is to believe a lie that is not based in reality.

Go back to any post and find where I said the better team didnt win? Troy kicked the everliving crap out of us....

[CoachRob]

We don't have to win one every year???? Yes we do... Thats the point of playing the games.... To win one every year! Now we may not win one each year but that's the whole goal.... Even the Coach says that.

What do yo do when you buy a lottery ticket and don't win? Just curious
Don't think anyone buys a lottery ticket expecting to loss, but ...

So football is now a lottery? You can't prepare for a game of chance.... Apples and oranges.

Winning football games can be just as difficult as winning the lottery ... never know how the ball will bounce, when the whistle will blow, how the weather will change, or how good the opponent can play. There are times where you do everything right and still lose. There are times where you do a lot wrong and still win.
Yes, there's a lot of chance in the game of football, statistics prove this.
App got beat by a better team yesterday. It happens. Statistics prove that a team will not win it every year. It's just a fact of reality. To say otherwise is to believe a lie that is not based in reality.

Go back to any post and find where I said the better team didnt win? Troy kicked the everliving crap out of us....

Fair enough,
It's also reality that statistically App will not be the best team every year. Rome wasn't built in a day. There is a process. Impossible for the same level of success to be sustained. There will be valleys in between the mountains. Trust the process, enjoy the ride, celebrate when the mountain is reached, continue to work & support during the inevitable trips through the valley. That's life.

[PhillyApp1]

Competed until the 4th quarter, and then collapsed.
Headscratcher of a season. Let’s wrap it up with a bowl win, and go hunting for stud linemen.

I agree but we have been hunting for stud lineman for years and ......
UL and Troy seem to have found them??

I think this is where the change of the S&C staff last offseason will have the biggest effective. It takes more than 1 offseason for the full effect of the S&C. It took a few years to see the result of the loss of Iron Mike, it'll take another offseason to get the results of Greenhalgh as coach. The biggest difference should be seen up front.

I'm more concerned with Dline. The change in base scheme was good but our d is still soft in the middle. That killed us last night and came close to killing us in other games that we won.

We've been very successful in the past with an undersized fast defense. What helps keep that undersized defense fresh and fast is: 1) great execution in off-season S&C as mentioned already. 2) A ball control offense that wins the LOS and runs the ball effectively.
Vidal and Troy's defense compliment each other perfectly and part of the reason they are back to back conference Champs. I think our undersized yet fast defense can be every effective with the complimentary offense. However, if we stick with the pass 1st offense, we'll need to build defensive depth to compensate for the increase in possessions and overall plays the defense will have to play.
The difficulty is recruiting the the size/talent lineman that are needed. We will be recruited over by the P5 for those Lineman as there isn't an abundance of them as there are skilled positions. This is why in the past we go undersized as there are lots of talented players that get overlooked (because of their size) and we have been successful recruiting, developing, and winning with those guys.

Troy's coach did it in the same two years we were recruiting????

[CoachRob]

I agree but we have been hunting for stud lineman for years and ......
UL and Troy seem to have found them??

I think this is where the change of the S&C staff last offseason will have the biggest effective. It takes more than 1 offseason for the full effect of the S&C. It took a few years to see the result of the loss of Iron Mike, it'll take another offseason to get the results of Greenhalgh as coach. The biggest difference should be seen up front.

I'm more concerned with Dline. The change in base scheme was good but our d is still soft in the middle. That killed us last night and came close to killing us in other games that we won.

We've been very successful in the past with an undersized fast defense. What helps keep that undersized defense fresh and fast is: 1) great execution in off-season S&C as mentioned already. 2) A ball control offense that wins the LOS and runs the ball effectively.
Vidal and Troy's defense compliment each other perfectly and part of the reason they are back to back conference Champs. I think our undersized yet fast defense can be every effective with the complimentary offense. However, if we stick with the pass 1st offense, we'll need to build defensive depth to compensate for the increase in possessions and overall plays the defense will have to play.
The difficulty is recruiting the the size/talent lineman that are needed. We will be recruited over by the P5 for those Lineman as there isn't an abundance of them as there are skilled positions. This is why in the past we go undersized as there are lots of talented players that get overlooked (because of their size) and we have been successful recruiting, developing, and winning with those guys.

Troy's coach did it in the same two years we were recruiting????

Hence why getting Greenhalgh was so key.

[PhillyApp1]

I have a few questions

Do the coaches ever get tired of losing to bigger stronger teams like UL and Troy who manhandled App in the trenches for Championships?

If your competitors who have won championships are able to recruit big, fast, and nasty lineman shouldn't we be able too?

Both UL and Troy have out recruited us and won Championships against smaller, faster App State lines..... When will we wake up and win with Big, fast trench monsters?

We recruit great RB's, WR's, TE's, QB's that get us to the game and then the Trench Monsters beat us to a pulp... just my observation.... wondering if other coaches can tell me what I am seeing is wrong.
Maybe a philosophic change needs to happen?

[PhillyApp1]

I think this is where the change of the S&C staff last offseason will have the biggest effective. It takes more than 1 offseason for the full effect of the S&C. It took a few years to see the result of the loss of Iron Mike, it'll take another offseason to get the results of Greenhalgh as coach. The biggest difference should be seen up front.

I'm more concerned with Dline. The change in base scheme was good but our d is still soft in the middle. That killed us last night and came close to killing us in other games that we won.

We've been very successful in the past with an undersized fast defense. What helps keep that undersized defense fresh and fast is: 1) great execution in off-season S&C as mentioned already. 2) A ball control offense that wins the LOS and runs the ball effectively.
Vidal and Troy's defense compliment each other perfectly and part of the reason they are back to back conference Champs. I think our undersized yet fast defense can be every effective with the complimentary offense. However, if we stick with the pass 1st offense, we'll need to build defensive depth to compensate for the increase in possessions and overall plays the defense will have to play.
The difficulty is recruiting the the size/talent lineman that are needed. We will be recruited over by the P5 for those Lineman as there isn't an abundance of them as there are skilled positions. This is why in the past we go undersized as there are lots of talented players that get overlooked (because of their size) and we have been successful recruiting, developing, and winning with those guys.

Troy's coach did it in the same two years we were recruiting????

Hence why getting Greenhalgh was so key.

So next year Greenhalgh will have us as strong as Troy ?
Or will we still be overpowered as we have been recently?

[JMappfan5]

If we don't make some sort of showing the last 10 minutes I am affraid the transfer portal will clear the cupboards

Same stupid remarks were made last year!!!

[Black Saturday]

What position does Hopper play if not DL?

We have 2 all conference linemen

[JMappfan5]

We lost to a veteran, more experienced team. Played toe to toe for 3 quarters and then the wheels fell off. We definitely need to improve our lines OL & DL, but we also need some stud LBs.

[CoachRob]

I'm more concerned with Dline. The change in base scheme was good but our d is still soft in the middle. That killed us last night and came close to killing us in other games that we won.

We've been very successful in the past with an undersized fast defense. What helps keep that undersized defense fresh and fast is: 1) great execution in off-season S&C as mentioned already. 2) A ball control offense that wins the LOS and runs the ball effectively.
Vidal and Troy's defense compliment each other perfectly and part of the reason they are back to back conference Champs. I think our undersized yet fast defense can be every effective with the complimentary offense. However, if we stick with the pass 1st offense, we'll need to build defensive depth to compensate for the increase in possessions and overall plays the defense will have to play.
The difficulty is recruiting the the size/talent lineman that are needed. We will be recruited over by the P5 for those Lineman as there isn't an abundance of them as there are skilled positions. This is why in the past we go undersized as there are lots of talented players that get overlooked (because of their size) and we have been successful recruiting, developing, and winning with those guys.

Troy's coach did it in the same two years we were recruiting????

Hence why getting Greenhalgh was so key.

So next year Greenhalgh will have us as strong as Troy ?
Or will we still be overpowered as we have been recently?

He will help ... a long offseason with graduations, coaching changes, transfer portal, Spring practice, and fall camp to go.