NCAA Proposing New College Sub-division

[canes_mj]

This isn't going to happen. Reading all the posts breaking this down, why would the schools agree to this? What is the benefit to them? Why would they agree to start paying tons of NIL money that as of right now is being paid for them. Let's voluntarily add millions of dollars of expense....to do what's already being done. Who will this benefit the most? The NCAA, that's who. See the ESPN article that mentions this as part of the NCAA's ongoing effort to persuade Congress to pass federal legislation governing NIL...i.e the NCAA asking Congress to give power back to them. I like that the NCAA calls it "an opportunity." Someone else said this earlier in the thread, this is the NCAA is taking a desperate shot to see if they can hang on and mange to keep some semblance of governing control. Their old road is rapidly aging; the order is rapidly fading...and they know it.

Agreeing to this 1. will cost schools a ton of money (money that's now being provided by 3rd parties) 2. will be difficult and complicated to implement 3. will open schools up to all kinds of lawsuits (especially Title IX) 4. will decrease autonomy by willingly putting themselves under NCAA rules/authority/governance of this new subdivision if they opt in.

The big schools don't need the NCAA for autonomy...they've been taking it; they'll continue to take more. They'll break away and form their own subdivision, without the NCAA. Agree with the poster who said that's the best outcome. The NCAA has been abhorrent for as long as I've watched sports; the less they are involved the better.

[MrCraig]

This isn't going to happen. Reading all the posts breaking this down, why would the schools agree to this? What is the benefit to them? Why would they agree to start paying tons of NIL money that as of right now is being paid for them. Let's voluntarily add millions of dollars of expense....to do what's already being done. Who will this benefit the most? The NCAA, that's who. See the ESPN article that mentions this as part of the NCAA's ongoing effort to persuade Congress to pass federal legislation governing NIL...i.e the NCAA asking Congress to give power back to them. I like that the NCAA calls it "an opportunity." Someone else said this earlier in the thread, this is the NCAA is taking a desperate shot to see if they can hang on and mange to keep some semblance of governing control. Their old road is rapidly aging; the order is rapidly fading...and they know it.

Agreeing to this 1. will cost schools a ton of money (money that's now being provided by 3rd parties) 2. will be difficult and complicated to implement 3. will open schools up to all kinds of lawsuits (especially Title IX) 4. will decrease autonomy by willingly putting themselves under NCAA rules/authority/governance of this new subdivision if they opt in.

The big schools don't need the NCAA for autonomy...they've been taking it; they'll continue to take more. They'll break away and form their own subdivision, without the NCAA. Agree with the poster who said that's the best outcome. The NCAA has been abhorrent for as long as I've watched sports; the less they are involved the better.

Let the big boys break away to form their own league, fire everyone at the NCAA who let this mess happened, and start over. Create an NCAA that actually values student-athletes, schools, and the games. I believe there will be enough people like me who want to see a return to a college football landscape with regional conferences, games that matter, a fair playoff, AND the players are allowed to make a little money of their own name. It can be done, we just need the right people in charge.

[Bigdaddyg1]

This isn't going to happen. Reading all the posts breaking this down, why would the schools agree to this? What is the benefit to them? Why would they agree to start paying tons of NIL money that as of right now is being paid for them. Let's voluntarily add millions of dollars of expense....to do what's already being done. Who will this benefit the most? The NCAA, that's who. See the ESPN article that mentions this as part of the NCAA's ongoing effort to persuade Congress to pass federal legislation governing NIL...i.e the NCAA asking Congress to give power back to them. I like that the NCAA calls it "an opportunity." Someone else said this earlier in the thread, this is the NCAA is taking a desperate shot to see if they can hang on and mange to keep some semblance of governing control. Their old road is rapidly aging; the order is rapidly fading...and they know it.

Agreeing to this 1. will cost schools a ton of money (money that's now being provided by 3rd parties) 2. will be difficult and complicated to implement 3. will open schools up to all kinds of lawsuits (especially Title IX) 4. will decrease autonomy by willingly putting themselves under NCAA rules/authority/governance of this new subdivision if they opt in.

The big schools don't need the NCAA for autonomy...they've been taking it; they'll continue to take more. They'll break away and form their own subdivision, without the NCAA. Agree with the poster who said that's the best outcome. The NCAA has been abhorrent for as long as I've watched sports; the less they are involved the better.

Let the big boys break away to form their own league, fire everyone at the NCAA who let this mess happened, and start over. Create an NCAA that actually values student-athletes, schools, and the games. I believe there will be enough people like me who want to see a return to a college football landscape with regional conferences, games that matter, a fair playoff, AND the players are allowed to make a little money of their own name. It can be done, we just need the right people in charge.

It's amazing how the perspective changes. It's not been that long since we got pumped up for a regular season game against Wofford that had implications on who would win the conference. FCS playoffs were exciting even if ESPN barely mentioned them. If 40 schools broke off into their own league there would still be about 90ish "regular " FBS level schools who could still recruit solid players. A level playing field would still produce great football games. A solid regional Belt would have great rivalry games and loyal fans would still flock to KBS. There could still be an NCAA playoff and championship game. The G and P descriptions could go away. Half of the teams in the new level would suck every year and those fans would have to settle for 5-7 seasons.

[MrCraig]

This isn't going to happen. Reading all the posts breaking this down, why would the schools agree to this? What is the benefit to them? Why would they agree to start paying tons of NIL money that as of right now is being paid for them. Let's voluntarily add millions of dollars of expense....to do what's already being done. Who will this benefit the most? The NCAA, that's who. See the ESPN article that mentions this as part of the NCAA's ongoing effort to persuade Congress to pass federal legislation governing NIL...i.e the NCAA asking Congress to give power back to them. I like that the NCAA calls it "an opportunity." Someone else said this earlier in the thread, this is the NCAA is taking a desperate shot to see if they can hang on and mange to keep some semblance of governing control. Their old road is rapidly aging; the order is rapidly fading...and they know it.

Agreeing to this 1. will cost schools a ton of money (money that's now being provided by 3rd parties) 2. will be difficult and complicated to implement 3. will open schools up to all kinds of lawsuits (especially Title IX) 4. will decrease autonomy by willingly putting themselves under NCAA rules/authority/governance of this new subdivision if they opt in.

The big schools don't need the NCAA for autonomy...they've been taking it; they'll continue to take more. They'll break away and form their own subdivision, without the NCAA. Agree with the poster who said that's the best outcome. The NCAA has been abhorrent for as long as I've watched sports; the less they are involved the better.

Let the big boys break away to form their own league, fire everyone at the NCAA who let this mess happened, and start over. Create an NCAA that actually values student-athletes, schools, and the games. I believe there will be enough people like me who want to see a return to a college football landscape with regional conferences, games that matter, a fair playoff, AND the players are allowed to make a little money of their own name. It can be done, we just need the right people in charge.

It's amazing how the perspective changes. It's not been that long since we got pumped up for a regular season game against Wofford that had implications on who would win the conference. FCS playoffs were exciting even if ESPN barely mentioned them. If 40 schools broke off into their own league there would still be about 90ish "regular " FBS level schools who could still recruit solid players. A level playing field would still produce great football games. A solid regional Belt would have great rivalry games and loyal fans would still flock to KBS. There could still be an NCAA playoff and championship game. The G and P descriptions could go away. Half of the teams in the new level would suck every year and those fans would have to settle for 5-7 seasons.

If this ever actually happens, I doubt all the P5 schools would go with it. Not all of them have enough money. I'd bet the bottom feeders stay in whatever NCAA system continues. I think the numbers would be closer to 30-ish "semi-pro" teams and over 100 regular college teams.

[Bigdaddyg1]

This isn't going to happen. Reading all the posts breaking this down, why would the schools agree to this? What is the benefit to them? Why would they agree to start paying tons of NIL money that as of right now is being paid for them. Let's voluntarily add millions of dollars of expense....to do what's already being done. Who will this benefit the most? The NCAA, that's who. See the ESPN article that mentions this as part of the NCAA's ongoing effort to persuade Congress to pass federal legislation governing NIL...i.e the NCAA asking Congress to give power back to them. I like that the NCAA calls it "an opportunity." Someone else said this earlier in the thread, this is the NCAA is taking a desperate shot to see if they can hang on and mange to keep some semblance of governing control. Their old road is rapidly aging; the order is rapidly fading...and they know it.

Agreeing to this 1. will cost schools a ton of money (money that's now being provided by 3rd parties) 2. will be difficult and complicated to implement 3. will open schools up to all kinds of lawsuits (especially Title IX) 4. will decrease autonomy by willingly putting themselves under NCAA rules/authority/governance of this new subdivision if they opt in.

The big schools don't need the NCAA for autonomy...they've been taking it; they'll continue to take more. They'll break away and form their own subdivision, without the NCAA. Agree with the poster who said that's the best outcome. The NCAA has been abhorrent for as long as I've watched sports; the less they are involved the better.

Let the big boys break away to form their own league, fire everyone at the NCAA who let this mess happened, and start over. Create an NCAA that actually values student-athletes, schools, and the games. I believe there will be enough people like me who want to see a return to a college football landscape with regional conferences, games that matter, a fair playoff, AND the players are allowed to make a little money of their own name. It can be done, we just need the right people in charge.

It's amazing how the perspective changes. It's not been that long since we got pumped up for a regular season game against Wofford that had implications on who would win the conference. FCS playoffs were exciting even if ESPN barely mentioned them. If 40 schools broke off into their own league there would still be about 90ish "regular " FBS level schools who could still recruit solid players. A level playing field would still produce great football games. A solid regional Belt would have great rivalry games and loyal fans would still flock to KBS. There could still be an NCAA playoff and championship game. The G and P descriptions could go away. Half of the teams in the new level would suck every year and those fans would have to settle for 5-7 seasons.

If this ever actually happens, I doubt all the P5 schools would go with it. Not all of them have enough money. I'd bet the bottom feeders stay in whatever NCAA system continues. I think the numbers would be closer to 30-ish "semi-pro" teams and over 100 regular college teams.

I'd tend to agree. The semi pro schools won't want or need their conference bottom feeder's anymore and won't want to share money with them like they currently do.

[AppOrange]

Yawn, if this happens, I will root for the same team to win it every year. My hope would be that the 20ish teams that have a proud tradition of winning decide it wasn't worth it to get spanked every year and start asking to go back to when it was more fun. The only thing more important to donors then money is winning . . . lots of losing coming for a lot of these traditionally proud teams . . . and I will love watching those greedy *$#@& loose a whole lot.

[KentHogan]

All of this is slowly destroying college football and college sports in general, which is why I have always been against the idea of it.
If college athletes can find a way to be compensated for their name, that’s fine. But the university, alumni etc should have zero involvement or influence.
College athletes have been compensated for years via scholarships and the free ride. That means nothing now and it’s sad.
Soon it won’t even matter whether they have passing grades or not, they’ll just be paid employees to play a sport and they’ll have zero loyalty to the school or program.
All that said, I don’t blame the kids. I blame the NCAA for allowing it.

[AppStFan1]

This isn't going to happen. Reading all the posts breaking this down, why would the schools agree to this? What is the benefit to them? Why would they agree to start paying tons of NIL money that as of right now is being paid for them. Let's voluntarily add millions of dollars of expense....to do what's already being done. Who will this benefit the most? The NCAA, that's who. See the ESPN article that mentions this as part of the NCAA's ongoing effort to persuade Congress to pass federal legislation governing NIL...i.e the NCAA asking Congress to give power back to them. I like that the NCAA calls it "an opportunity." Someone else said this earlier in the thread, this is the NCAA is taking a desperate shot to see if they can hang on and mange to keep some semblance of governing control. Their old road is rapidly aging; the order is rapidly fading...and they know it.

Agreeing to this 1. will cost schools a ton of money (money that's now being provided by 3rd parties) 2. will be difficult and complicated to implement 3. will open schools up to all kinds of lawsuits (especially Title IX) 4. will decrease autonomy by willingly putting themselves under NCAA rules/authority/governance of this new subdivision if they opt in.

The big schools don't need the NCAA for autonomy...they've been taking it; they'll continue to take more. They'll break away and form their own subdivision, without the NCAA. Agree with the poster who said that's the best outcome. The NCAA has been abhorrent for as long as I've watched sports; the less they are involved the better.

Let the big boys break away to form their own league, fire everyone at the NCAA who let this mess happened, and start over. Create an NCAA that actually values student-athletes, schools, and the games. I believe there will be enough people like me who want to see a return to a college football landscape with regional conferences, games that matter, a fair playoff, AND the players are allowed to make a little money of their own name. It can be done, we just need the right people in charge.

It's amazing how the perspective changes. It's not been that long since we got pumped up for a regular season game against Wofford that had implications on who would win the conference. FCS playoffs were exciting even if ESPN barely mentioned them. If 40 schools broke off into their own league there would still be about 90ish "regular " FBS level schools who could still recruit solid players. A level playing field would still produce great football games. A solid regional Belt would have great rivalry games and loyal fans would still flock to KBS. There could still be an NCAA playoff and championship game. The G and P descriptions could go away. Half of the teams in the new level would suck every year and those fans would have to settle for 5-7 seasons.

If this ever actually happens, I doubt all the P5 schools would go with it. Not all of them have enough money. I'd bet the bottom feeders stay in whatever NCAA system continues. I think the numbers would be closer to 30-ish "semi-pro" teams and over 100 regular college teams.

I was going to guess 35-45 but I was thinking the same thing. I would like to see minimum requirements enforced as well. Way too many schools have moved up.

[AppStFan1]

All of this is slowly destroying college football and college sports in general, which is why I have always been against the idea of it.
If college athletes can find a way to be compensated for their name, that’s fine. But the university, alumni etc should have zero involvement or influence.
College athletes have been compensated for years via scholarships and the free ride. That means nothing now and it’s sad.
Soon it won’t even matter whether they have passing grades or not, they’ll just be paid employees to play a sport and they’ll have zero loyalty to the school or program.
All that said, I don’t blame the kids. I blame the NCAA for allowing it.

I am with you on this. I think what makes college special is that they got degrees from the school like we did. I am 100% for them making money off their names for jerseys, commercials, social media impressions, and other merch but schools and boosters should not be paying a dime. NIL collectives need to be ruled illegal and there should be proof that the players are actually making the money off advertising and merchandise instead of just making a check to play. I also don't blame the players for this mess. This sits squarely on the NCAA, school presidents, and conference commissioners for letting it get to this point.

[Saint3333]

I wish I were better at searching this site for posts from a couple of years ago predicting this.

When those with money and power make the rules it’s easy to see how it ends.

[appdaze]

I wish I were better at searching this site for posts from a couple of years ago predicting this.

When those with money and power make the rules it’s easy to see how it ends.

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[Saint3333]

Great pull daze. Now it accelerates.

[Bigdaddyg1]

How about this? You can be student-'who either pays for tuition and fees, or one who receives an academic scholarship. Or you can be a student-athlete and you attend classes and play a sport on an athletic scholarship and you also receive a cost of attendance stipend. For this group I'd have a fund set aside to help pay for flights for student/athletes who live out of state or who demonstrate the financial need. The third group would be the paid athletes who are now university employees. It's been determined that at App State the annual cost of an athletic scholarship (all benefits included) is significant. Pay the athlete the same amount and still include training and meals. If that athlete chooses to attend classes he or she will pay for them on their own. They have 4 years to remain an employee of the school. No redshirt except for medical. The school will also provide medial services to these employees. There would certainly be a huge percentage of students who would choose the traditional route of scholarship and school. NIL could remain but would be completely independent of the university. Now the select few who aspire to play professionally but have no desire to attend college can get paid, play the sport and prepare themselves for the pros.

[PhillyApp1]

Why have politicians NOT gotten involved.... federal and state money is used in ALL these schools.
Are they being paid off?
The politicians should be threatening the NCAA and the universities.

[Rekdiver]

All this will do is create a myriad of lawsuits. You want collusion, anti trust and racketeering? Plus public non profit institutions need tax exempt status revoked. My tax dollars will not support discrimination of smaller state schools.

[BayouApp]

Yawn, if this happens, I will root for the same team to win it every year. My hope would be that the 20ish teams that have a proud tradition of winning decide it wasn't worth it to get spanked every year and start asking to go back to when it was more fun. The only thing more important to donors then money is winning . . . lots of losing coming for a lot of these traditionally proud teams . . . and I will love watching those greedy *$#@& loose a whole lot.

Some version of this is likely to occur. Most fans at top programs are unhappy with more than 2 losses and have unrealistic expectations about how often they should be in the championship. The consolidation into these super conferences will eventually wear thin since the results will mean their win expectations and championship aspirations will be less obtainable. I think most PAC-12 fans did not want to see the demise of the conference and all the historic rivalries, but I may be wrong. I assume it was just money driven with little consideration given to what the fans may have wanted. College football fans span a lot of teams; and trying to cram a limited number of teams down fans throats may eventually backfire and result in reductions in viewership and lower television ratings (ergo less $).

[Bigdaddyg1]

Winning a conference title is becoming less of a big deal each year. Used to be really cool to win one but now it's the Natty or bust. That's why big schools don't accept 8-4.

[VNova]

Winning a conference title is becoming less of a big deal each year. Used to be really cool to win one but now it's the Natty or bust. That's why big schools don't accept 8-4.

Conference title means nothing now for the P5(4?) since their top two/three are basically guaranteed a slot starting next year.

[ViewCrew87]

Feels like:
1. Those making it happen
2. Those watching it happen
3. Those wondering what the hell just happened??

[ASUFan4863]

Why have politicians NOT gotten involved.... federal and state money is used in ALL these schools.
Are they being paid off?
The politicians should be threatening the NCAA and the universities.

Unfortunately, politicians are involved with the NCAA. Charlie Baker is a former health care CEO and Governor. He is the first NCAA president to not be a college president or athletic director. There is no telling who is behind these "calls for action".