that was ugly

[AppAttack]

Don't dare pull red shirts off linemen when you're headed for a 2-9 meaningless season. We need to stock up for 2015 and beyond.

I also hope Taylor Lamb is as good as advertised. Kam doesn't appear to have the arm for an FBS QB.

[asu66]

Many of the schools that are referred to as junior colleges across the nation are, in fact, community colleges these days.

Here's a list of the places ya have to go to pick up JuCo players... http://jcfootball.scout.com/3/CAJCFBLinks.html

Then, if you find a player that you think can help your team, you have a fight on your hands to get them eligible under NCAA academic guidelines. The NCAA has really been cracking the whip on JuCo transcript integrity.

[MAD Doctor]

The coaching staff really got into the spirit of homecoming. The theme was "I love the 90's" and Coach Satterfield and company gave us their rendition of "Clueless".

[APPSTATE-H3]

Brownie just committed we may need to take some redshirts off our Oline players, we are getting owned in the trenches.

Might not be a bad idea, we're going to face even bigger and deeper lines next year in the Sun Belt. This season's a wash anyway.

Really crazy to see the fall of this team so quickly. The Apps will be lucky to win another game this year - maybe against Western (and even then I wouldn't count on it right now).

Nothing quick about it. This team has been on a power slide for 4+ years and the chickens have come home to roost. It's much worse than I expected but certainly not a sudden turn of events. What is scary is we may not have bottomed yet. This team is out of control.

Good point. We only won 3 of the last 4 conference titles. We only have 14 returning starters this year. The former coach should have worked it out to somehow have 22 starters return from an undefeated team last year. Completely his fault.

What is the driving factor to your rebuttal? Allegiance to the former coach or the fact you judge the state of the program solely on wins and losses?

If winning did not matter then why do they keep score.

[Cincy App]

I also hope Taylor Lamb is as good as advertised. Kam doesn't appear to have the arm for an FBS QB.

As bad as we are on the lines, we are worse at the QB position. I hope Taylor or one of the incoming freshmen can give us a big step up next year in the most important position on the field. Kam may develop but he holds onto the ball way too long and his ball floats when he does throw.

PS - Any word on when Blair may return to action?

[Saint3333]

Everyone I've talked to has indicated Blair will redshirt.

[JCline0429]

Juco's would be a big help, however it seems there are just not many Junior Colleges left. We used to get a few good players from Lees-MacRrae and many other JC's but they and most other two year schools have gone to four year, due in part to the proliferation of community colleges.

As I remember from the eighties, LMC peeps either brought herb to Boone or came there to get it. I don't remember APP ever having a significant JUCO transfer athlete from Last Mother******g Chance.

Going all the way back to the 50-60's and early 70's (and even earlier), App got some quality players and always there will be some dregs. Many players could not get into App academically or weren't recruited by the Mountaineers initially but turned into role players and many even stellar performers.

[JCline0429]

Many of the schools that are referred to as junior colleges across the nation are, in fact, community colleges these days.

Here's a list of the places ya have to go to pick up JuCo players... http://jcfootball.scout.com/3/CAJCFBLinks.html

Then, if you find a player that you think can help your team, you have a fight on your hands to get them eligible under NCAA academic guidelines. The NCAA has really been cracking the whip on JuCo transcript integrity.

Elonker even played a community college or two on their way to winning their NAIA natioonal championships.

[Boone Goon]

Not sure what Kam's issue was today with arm strength. He normally has a lot more zip on his passes, but he was definitely floating balls to receivers.

The line played like matadors!

The defense played uninspired...

[appbio91]

Not sure what Kam's issue was today with arm strength. He normally has a lot more zip on his passes, but he was definitely floating balls to receivers.

The line played like matadors!

The defense played uninspired...

He can't throw beyond 15 yards. He really hung Jones out to dry in the fouth tonight.

[AppSt94]

I never stated that winning and losing did not matter. I asked if winning and losing was the SOLE factor in the posters evaluation of the team. Wins and losses do matter but winning against inferior competition doesn't make you better. We have played in a weak conference for a few years now and our fan base has become content with rolling opponents that didn't belong on the field with us. Then we get beat up in the playoffs to teams with equal, if not better talent and all hell breaks loose on this board. The problems with this team have been taking place over time but some have either not seen it or refused to recognize a problem because we were winning. Case in point. I was at the CCU game. The guy behind me kept yelling in disgust that we were losing to a Big South team. It did not matter to him that the team was good, just that it was from a perceived inferior conference. My point is that winning masks problems and sometimes fans are to focused on wins to see underlying problems.

[SpeedkingATL]

The first thing I would do is a "snap count" drill as these constant 5 yard penalties are drive killers. The second is a "throw the ball away" drill where our QB gets the ball out of bounds before being sacked. Those 2 things killed every second half drive as soon as we crossed midfield. These are easily fixable.

[fjblair]

Brownie just committed we may need to take some redshirts off our Oline players, we are getting owned in the trenches.

Might not be a bad idea, we're going to face even bigger and deeper lines next year in the Sun Belt. This season's a wash anyway.

Really crazy to see the fall of this team so quickly. The Apps will be lucky to win another game this year - maybe against Western (and even then I wouldn't count on it right now).

Nothing quick about it. This team has been on a power slide for 4+ years and the chickens have come home to roost. It's much worse than I expected but certainly not a sudden turn of events. What is scary is we may not have bottomed yet. This team is out of control.

Good point. We only won 3 of the last 4 conference titles. We only have 14 returning starters this year. The former coach should have worked it out to somehow have 22 starters return from an undefeated team last year. Completely his fault.

I guess the moderator deleted my reply but I said nothing about the former coach. I never said we didn't have a good team, I said the decline in our football program began 4 +\- years ago. Spin it however you like but that's the reality.

[CVAPP]

The decline of our program began years ago when we were routinely flagged for excessive celebration. Disciplined teams don't behave that way.

[asumike83]

Good point. We only won 3 of the last 4 conference titles. We only have 14 returning starters this year. The former coach should have worked it out to somehow have 22 starters return from an undefeated team last year. Completely his fault.

Not at all saying that the results are JM's fault but you have to look at who the team lost, not just how many players: Demetrius McCray, Jeremy Kimbrough, Brandon Grier, Troy Sanders, Steven Miller and Sam Martin. That is 6 All-Conference players that led the way to that SoCon title, 5 of whom were in NFL camps this year. From a personnel standpoint, this is nowhere near the same team as 2012.

Also included in those 14 returning starters is Jamal Jackson, the most important one who is obviously not the same player as he was before the surgery. Because he has struggled so much this season, many seem to have forgotten just how good he was last season.

He was first team All-Conference and a preseason All-American for a reason. The knee injury that knocked him out at Western was the only thing that stopped Jamal from putting up the most prolific passing season in program history. He was 13 yards shy of Armanti's 2009 record in 2 less games. All those accurate deep passes to Sean Price were taken for granted and now that he's been sidelined, the vertical passing game is non-existent.

I think yesterday also showed why the coaches were hesitant to name Kam the full-time starter. When the defense tailors their game plan for you and only you, it is a different animal. A Samford defense that was giving up over 400 yards per game held App to under 300 because they contained Kam and forced him to beat them from the pocket with his arm, which he could not do.

An inexperienced defense and an inexperienced quarterback have been the difference IMO. If Jamal does not suffer that knee injury last season, this is probably a 4-2 team but that's just the way it goes sometimes.

[moehler]

If I saw one positive yesterday, it was Woody finally got creative with the defense and put pressure on Samford's qb from different players, he blitzed with linebackers, safeties, corners, and even ran stunts with his linemen, I even saw one play where he dropped his nosetackle into coverage!! It wasn't an accident that Samford had 3 straight 3 and outs in the first half when Woody started blitzing. For the first time maybe all year the opposing qb looked uncomfortable in the pocket. I know its a small, small victory, and Im probably reaching here, but maybe Woodys starting to get more comfortable with his players, and hopefully something positive will come out of this season. One last thing, if our qb cant get more zip on the ball, he is going to get our receivers killed!!

[appst89]

Brownie just committed we may need to take some redshirts off our Oline players, we are getting owned in the trenches.

Might not be a bad idea, we're going to face even bigger and deeper lines next year in the Sun Belt. This season's a wash anyway.

Really crazy to see the fall of this team so quickly. The Apps will be lucky to win another game this year - maybe against Western (and even then I wouldn't count on it right now).

Nothing quick about it. This team has been on a power slide for 4+ years and the chickens have come home to roost. It's much worse than I expected but certainly not a sudden turn of events. What is scary is we may not have bottomed yet. This team is out of control.

Good point. We only won 3 of the last 4 conference titles. We only have 14 returning starters this year. The former coach should have worked it out to somehow have 22 starters return from an undefeated team last year. Completely his fault.

I guess the moderator deleted my reply but I said nothing about the former coach. I never said we didn't have a good team, I said the decline in our football program began 4 +\- years ago. Spin it however you like but that's the reality.

Nothing deleted.

[Dazed and Confused '13]

As if the poor performances on the field were not enough to render the gameday experience less than enjoyable, you also have to hear those "know-it-all" folks on the stands who seems to really get a kick out of insulting their players and coaching staff after every play.

[JCline0429]

As if the poor performances on the field were not enough to render the gameday experience less than enjoyable, you also have to hear those "know-it-all" folks on the stands who seems to really get a kick out of insulting their players and coaching staff after every play.

I noticed that in the section where I sat. One guy who looked to be about 55-60 was shouting F--- you Satterfield. Luckily that rap music blared him out part of the time.This is why I harp so much about excessive alcohol usage. That makes me a fuddy duddy to some on here, but what the heck.

[McLeansvilleAppFan]

As if the poor performances on the field were not enough to render the gameday experience less than enjoyable, you also have to hear those "know-it-all" folks on the stands who seems to really get a kick out of insulting their players and coaching staff after every play.

I noticed that in the section where I sat. One guy who looked to be about 55-60 was shouting F--- you Satterfield. Luckily that rap music blared him out part of the time.This is why I harp so much about excessive alcohol usage. That makes me a fuddy duddy to some on here, but what the heck.

I guess the rap music is not ALL bad then.